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TVMayor 02-06-2015 10:43 AM
Villages Golf Cart Rampage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJTixaHac3c

dbussone 02-06-2015 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TVMayor (Post 1007609)
Excellent video. I think I recognized VPL in one frame.

downeaster 02-06-2015 12:27 PM
As the OP I request Admin to close this thread. The original purpose has been lost.

TVMayor 02-06-2015 12:51 PM
Did anyone else see themselves in the movie?

CFrance 02-06-2015 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1007638)
Excellent video. I think I recognized VPL in one frame.
I just have to meet you. :)

JoMar 02-06-2015 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1007437)
See Post # 23 by VillagesFlorida.
I saw that.....raises more questions but not worth exploring here.....if she believes the gates caused her motor to fail the I have to assume it did.

CFrance 02-06-2015 04:37 PM
The window motors (front & rear on driver's side) in my XTerra both failed. That was around 2007. The car was six years old but hardly driven after 2005. No gates involved. Back then it was $100 apiece to have them replaced. Who knows how much it is now.

buzzy 02-06-2015 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dave harris (Post 1007526)
A gated community near Orlando had transponders. They stuck on your windshield and automatically opened the gate. Never was any backup and the gate closed after each car. Never saw a broken gate there.
Sorry, but I don't think your example disproves my theory. Did that community have 100,000 seniors, with assorted conditions associated with aging, or a resort mentality with numerous seasonal and transient residents?

kcrazorbackfan 02-06-2015 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TVMayor (Post 1007609)
Wow! There are some real brain dead "I am entitled and will do whatever I want to do" people in TV. I've got to ask, and I probably know the answer, do any of these people ever contact the department that oversees the gates and offers to pay for it?😜. Is there a video that shows vehicles destroying the gates?

Barefoot 02-06-2015 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TVMayor (Post 1007609)
Gotta love the seniors that break the gate, get out and gently move the broken arm out of harm's way, before they merrily drive on!

I wonder how many people who break gates report themselves to Community Watch. :shocked:

dbussone 02-06-2015 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1007915)
Gotta love the seniors that break the gate, get out and gently move the broken arm out of harm's way, before they merrily drive on!

I wonder how many people who break gates report themselves to Community Watch. :shocked:
I loved watching the ones who just picked up the gate and snapped it off. With the new HD cameras you'd think they could get decent images and track down some of these folks.

tomwed 02-06-2015 09:02 PM
So what did we learn.
Gate crashers exist, they will enter the community and remain anonymous.
Why do we need a gate that opens with a card or pushing a button?
Why can't they open automatically when we enter as they do when we exit?
A million dollars in repairs can go a long way.
Follow the money.

dbussone 02-06-2015 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1007957)
So what did we learn.
Gate crashers exist, they will enter the community and remain anonymous.
Why do we need a gate that opens with a card or pushing a button?
Why can't they open automatically when we enter as they do when we exit?
A million dollars in repairs can go a long way.
Follow the money.
Tom - I agree with you often, but I think your approach is a little simplistic. It takes a little longer for a gate to open when a driver has to stop and present a card to open it. That amount of time gives a cart driver the chance to make a decision about going or waiting for the car. My reflexes are slowing and I really like that extra second or two.

Sandtrap328 02-06-2015 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1007964)
Tom - I agree with you often, but I think your approach is a little simplistic. It takes a little longer for a gate to open when a driver has to stop and present a card to open it. That amount of time gives a cart driver the chance to make a decision about going or waiting for the car. My reflexes are slowing and I really like that extra second or two.
I think your reply here is accurate and how it should (and will) be kept.

BTW, the dog in your avatar is good looking. Is it a King Charles Spaniel?

tomwed 02-06-2015 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1007964)
Tom - I agree with you often, but I think your approach is a little simplistic. It takes a little longer for a gate to open when a driver has to stop and present a card to open it. That amount of time gives a cart driver the chance to make a decision about going or waiting for the car. My reflexes are slowing and I really like that extra second or two.
Whatever time you want the gate to wait before it automatically opens can be built into the electronics.

dbussone 02-06-2015 09:58 PM
Good point Tom

dbussone 02-06-2015 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1007971)
I think your reply here is accurate and how it should (and will) be kept.



BTW, the dog in your avatar is good looking. Is it a King Charles Spaniel?

He is. That is Harry! Thank you for asking.Attachment 47505Attachment 47506Attachment 47507

Ooper 02-06-2015 11:25 PM
Numerous folks have stated that they just hold the card up to the window and the gate will open. I very seldom roll down the window to enter a gate. The only times I have to roll the window down is when the sensor is either above or below the window. If the sensor is ever with the window glass, just get within a foot or so and hold the card flat against the window.

sunnyatlast 02-06-2015 11:44 PM
It sounds good when people suggest that the entrance gates be set up to open automatically like the exit ones do. But…..

Our cards have our particular property/ID information embedded in them, and the system logs in that info when the card is swiped to open the gate. (This is what I was told at the district offices when I had to replace our gate cards because one was lost.)

Maybe somebody here knows more about that, and the possibility that the system tracks entrants for security reasons. There might be more to it than just slowing down cars so carts can merge in.

Barefoot 02-07-2015 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sunnyatlast (Post 1008010)
It sounds good when people suggest that the entrance gates be set up to open automatically like the exit ones do. But…..

Our cards have our particular property/ID information embedded in them, and the system logs in that info when the card is swiped to open the gate. (This is what I was told at the district offices when I had to replace our gate cards because one was lost.)

Maybe somebody here knows more about that, and the possibility that the system tracks entrants for security reasons. There might be more to it than just slowing down cars so carts can merge in.
I don't understand why tracking resident activity would be important.
People without cards can enter TV streets by merely pushing a button.
Contractors, delivery vans and other non-residents are constantly in and out.
I've heard rumors about cameras at the gates, but I've been told by gate attendants there are no cameras.

Greg Nelson 02-07-2015 05:51 AM
False sense of security?
 
As has been mentioned, TV is not really a gated community. I remember the the north entrance gate in Mulberry being stuck open for days. We are currently staying in River Wilderness in Parrish, FL. The gates here have an actual person at all hours. Very safe feeling.

graciegirl 02-07-2015 09:00 AM
I like our gates the way they are. They slow down traffic enough that carts can safely cross over roads. They keep people from barreling around like teenagers. They look nice.

Our law enforcement group; Sumter County Sheriff, Marion County Sheriff, Lady Lake Police Department and now Wildwood and Fruitland park police departments work very well together, share information and don't all act like Prima Donna's.

Community Watch drives through our neighborhoods at night when we are sleeping, watching and looking.

The fact that most of us are retired and know to call the police when something or someone looks out of place is a huge help in keeping us safe.

For those who are new and feel the need to reorganize and change things, please wait a couple of years and see how things work very well the way they are.

Walter123 02-07-2015 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1007976)
Whatever time you want the gate to wait before it automatically opens can be built into the electronics.
Tom, This is the solution to the problem created on this thread.
I really don't mind flashing my card. I don't mind getting my arm wet or (LOL) wear and tear on my window motor but your idea is better. Cameras can record who comes and goes.

graciegirl 02-07-2015 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1008103)
Tom, This is the solution to the problem created on this thread.
I really don't mind flashing my card. I don't mind getting my arm wet or (LOL) wear and tear on my window motor but your idea is better. Cameras can record who comes and goes.

How many gates? How much per gate? Who pays? We pay.



Fiscally conservative Gracie.

Barefoot 02-07-2015 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1008082)
I like our gates the way they are. They slow down traffic enough that carts can safely cross over roads. They keep people from barreling around like teenagers. They look nice.
Our law enforcement group; Sumter County Sheriff, Marion County Sheriff, Lady Lake Police Department and now Wildwood and Fruitland park police departments work very well together, share information and don't all act like Prima Donna's.
Community Watch drives through our neighborhoods at night when we are sleeping, watching and looking.
The fact that most of us are retired and know to call the police when something or someone looks out of place is a huge help in keeping us safe.
For those who are new and feel the need to reorganize and change things, please wait a couple of years and see how things work very well the way they are.
Gracie, I think that most of us are talking about getting rid of the cards, not getting rid of the gates.
The Villages would still give the appearance of a gated community.
The gates would open automatically, after a few seconds, and still serve as traffic control.
Our Law Enforcement Group would still work well together, and Community Watch would still patrol.
For years, the Belvedere Gate opened automatically after about a five second wait.
A lot of people didn't realize it would open automatically and still used their cards.
When they installed the golf cart gate, they changed the car gate system to always requiring a card.
It was very handy to have the gate open automatically.

Walter123 02-07-2015 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1008104)
How many gates? How much per gate? Who pays? We pay.



Fiscally conservative Gracie.
Who the heck do you think pay's now, the gate fairy?

Walter123 02-07-2015 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1008108)
Gracie, I think that most of us are talking about getting rid of the cards, not getting rid of the gates.
The Villages would still give the appearance of a gated community.
The gates would open automatically, after a few seconds, and still serve as traffic control.
Our Law Enforcement Group would still work well together, and Community Watch would still patrol.
For years, the Belvedere Gate opened automatically after about a five second wait.
A lot of people didn't realize it would open automatically and still used their cards.
When they installed the golf cart gate, they changed the car gate system to always requiring a card.
It was very handy to have the gate open automatically.
TY for explaining that to GG. very well put.

kstew43 02-07-2015 10:18 AM
just go thru the non resident gates......most of them open automatically......just pull up, sit a second, and bingo your in.....

no need to fish for your card and open your window.....

graciegirl 02-07-2015 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1008116)
Who the heck do you think pay's now, the gate fairy?

I don't like people who don't believe in fairies.

What part of the east coast are you from?

john1953 02-07-2015 10:37 AM
Gate keys are a total waste of time.First off the villages is replacing gates that have been hit every single day.Next they stop no one form entering.Charles Mason and his family could use a gate to enter,if he wasn`t in prison.Pain in the neck opening your window in the pouring down rain to go threw a gate.

downeaster 02-07-2015 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by downeaster (Post 1007111)
Barefoot posted the above on another thread and I thought it an interesting subject and maybe worth a thread of its own.
First some history.
When the gates were first installed there was no provision for entrance without a card or pressing a button to connect to someone who could open it remotely. Gate cards were given out to lawn people, contractors etc. Every Tom, Dick and Harry had one. Then the county stepped in and said they were public roads and should open to the public. A compromise was reached and the county allowed the gates with a provision they could be opened by anyone. (The red button)
They have become vital to traffic control especially in regard to golf carts. However, the nuisance factor could be relieved by having them open the same way the exit gates open. No card and less frequent window motor replacements. I would think adjustments could be made to require a vehicle to come to a complete stop before the gate would open. I am considering taking this to the next level but thought I might get some input here first.
Good idea? Bad idea? Got a better idea? Let sleeping dogs lie?
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1008108)
Gracie, I think that most of us are talking about getting rid of the cards, not getting rid of the gates.
The Villages would still give the appearance of a gated community.
The gates would open automatically, after a few seconds, and still serve as traffic control.
Our Law Enforcement Group would still work well together, and Community Watch would still patrol.
For years, the Belvedere Gate opened automatically after about a five second wait.
A lot of people didn't realize it would open automatically and still used their cards.
When they installed the golf cart gate, they changed the car gate system to always requiring a card.
It was very handy to have the gate open automatically.
Thanks for getting my original post back on track, Barefoot

graciegirl 02-07-2015 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Greg Nelson (Post 1008028)
As has been mentioned, TV is not really a gated community. I remember the the north entrance gate in Mulberry being stuck open for days. We are currently staying in River Wilderness in Parrish, FL. The gates here have an actual person at all hours. Very safe feeling.

My defending post on gates was directed at this post which I should have quoted.

I wasn't paying attention.

Trying to find my squirt gun for the smart mouth and the fairy jab..

Walter123 02-07-2015 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1008128)
I don't like people who don't believe in fairies.

What part of the east coast are you from?
The Ohio part, you?

Walter123 02-07-2015 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1008137)
my defending post on gates was directed at this post which i should have quoted.

I wasn't paying attention.

Trying to find my squirt gun for the smart mouth and the fairy jab..
lol!

Polar Bear 02-07-2015 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1008082)
I like our gates the way they are. They slow down traffic enough that carts can safely cross over roads. They keep people from barreling around like teenagers...
As usual, what Gracie said.

Bogie Shooter 02-07-2015 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1008014)
I don't understand why tracking resident activity would be important.
People without cards can enter TV streets by merely pushing a button.
Contractors, delivery vans and other non-residents are constantly in and out.
I've heard rumors about cameras at the gates, but I've been told by gate attendants there are no cameras.
This gate attendant needs to read the POA Bulletin...........there are cameras!

Bogie Shooter 02-07-2015 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Greg Nelson (Post 1008028)
As has been mentioned, TV is not really a gated community. I remember the the north entrance gate in Mulberry being stuck open for days. We are currently staying in River Wilderness in Parrish, FL. The gates here have an actual person at all hours. Very safe feeling.
No need to shout................

Bogie Shooter 02-07-2015 11:29 AM
To bad the gates were not noticed before a home was purchased in TV.

Bogie Shooter 02-07-2015 11:35 AM
With a little effort I found one (of many) comments on cameras at the gates.
Go to Property Owners, Association of Florida and do a search on gate cameras.
Yes, Virginia there are cameras!

Gate connectivity is scheduled to be completed
in October, 2014. The cameras will be
able to pick up license plates and facial images,
including those of golf cart drivers.
Signs will be installed indicating that the
Community is “Under Surveillance”

janmcn 02-07-2015 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1008159)
To bad the gates were not noticed before a home was purchased in TV.


They were noticed. That's the point of the gates. Unfortunately, for a lot of residents it's not until after purchasing a home, that they are told they are only for show and could be done away with at any time.


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