I do not have a problem but in speaking with an employee of the water supply company he suggested Limeshine and not to get an expensive water softener.

PS -- I tried Lemishine and every other thing anyone anywhere told me might work. None did, because my problem wasn't a mineral build-up, it was a water softener irreparably clouding my glasses.

If you have a water softener, I am willing to bet a donut that the settings on it are your issue.

Krispy Kreme or Dunkin? :jester:

According to this Univ of S. Florida chart, our water is not hard in Sumter Co

Google Image Result for http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/8500/f8510/f8510.jpg

in fact they classify it as soft on this page
Floripedia: Water Hardness

According to this Univ of S. Florida chart, our water is not hard in Sumter Co

Google Image Result for http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/8500/f8510/f8510.jpg

in fact they classify it as soft on this page
Floripedia: Water Hardness

other websites show a higher number.

According to this Univ of S. Florida chart, our water is not hard in Sumter Co

Google Image Result for http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/8500/f8510/f8510.jpg

in fact they classify it as soft on this page
Floripedia: Water Hardness

other websites show a higher number. Last report from Sumter Water had 149 mg/liter

Our results for whatever reason are different then several others. We have a Sears water softener (using salt) and a Sears whole house filter. We have had these for over 18 months, and we wash all of the glasses, including the crystal in the dishwasher, and the results are that the glasses and crystal look as clear as ones that have never been used. We use cascade, and NO rinse aid. We are located in the Village of Pinellas.

Hope this helps.

We put dishwasher salt in to our dishwasher in England. No cloudy glasses.

Thank you blueash that was most helpful

Personal Best Regards:

Vinegar. Put some in the bottom of the dishwasher before starting. It removes the clouding from dishes and glassware.

What you posted was "non-carbonate" hardness - that is not the total hardness.

I measured the hardness at 12 gpg (205 ppm) via a titration test. This classifies our water as very hard.

Measurement of water hardness

According to the Water Quality Association...

soft: 0-3.5 grains per gallon (gpg),

moderate: 3.5-7.0 gpg,

hard: 7.0-10.5 gpg, and

very hard: over 10.5 gpg

It is more likely that you had some other problems. The downside to more frequent regenerations than required is that you use more salt.

There are two "issues" with the water in The Villages; it is hard and it has a high level of chlorine. A water softener will remove the calcium and magnesium ions that make the water hard. This will result in less scale build up and allow you to use less detergent. In addition, some people prefer the "feel" of soft water. What you typically see advertised as "filters" are sediment and carbon filters. These will remove the chlorine that give the water a bad taste and smell. You may see "hybrid" water softeners advertised - these are water softeners that also remove chlorine via a redox material and/or carbon. Neither of these "issues" make the water unsafe. You can find the annual water report for The Villages online.

About 10 yrs ago the Phosphates were removed from Dishwasher detergent. Since then lots of people have complained about their dishwashers not working properly. Even after buying a new dishwasher they find the same results.

It is the detergents formula changes that cause the spotting and cloudiness.

I have used Bubble Bandits from Amazon with good results. It is a commercial dishwasher formula so it still contains Phosphates. Works much better than the regular brands.

At one time I considered making my own dishwasher detergent, the recipes all called for lemon in one form or another. Often lemon koolade powder. So the citric acid in lemon must do the trick too. It sound like the lemon products mentions above work well and can be bought locally.

It is not your dishwasher. It is the change in phospate levels in the detergents that are causing the cloudiness, regardless of the hard or soft water in your home.

We don't have a water softener. We usually use Cascade, but Sweetie bought Finish the last time. We don't do anything else. Our glasses aren't cloudy.

But there is a buildup on the stainless bar in the shower, and I am not sure now to remove it.

Many people have issues with newer formulated liquid DW detergents. And not just here in TV. First u need to see if your problem is filming or etching... below is a link to an excellent Clemson paper on this topic. Bottom line switch detergents, use powdered and use less.

Good luck!

http://www.clemson.edu/psapublishing...WATER/WQL7.pdf