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kendi 03-15-2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1915497)
You're not quite following, and I explained as clear as I could, and you've overthought the situation. Whatever vehicle is in the golf cart lane has the right of way, I've already stated that. It doesn't matter if it's a go-kart, a bicycle, an ATV or 20 bicycles, or 15 carts going to a parade.

When you plan your turn, you adjust (your) speed, you can change your car speed a lot better than a golf cart can change theirs. You accelerate or slow down and can go ahead or behind the traffic. You're simply giving everyone a heads up to your intentions by picking a spot and moving slightly right, not all the way to the cart lane, just enough so they your movement copmbined with your turn signal will indicate intentions are going to be. It no different than a golf cart moving left into the car lane to make a left turn.

You added a bicycle into the equation, they're no different, only slower than a golf cart, and you added 20 bikes, that's no different than 3, 4 or 5 carts in row close together. You adjust, when you drive a car you making a series of adjustments all the time.

Village Tinker understood it and had done it for years, Bogey understood it and liked the suggestion. If you don't understand it, just keep doing what you've been doing, whatever feels comfortable for you.

First of all, your example is a poor one, there would never be 18 bicycles in the golf cart lane. They take up the entire car lane, that's the way they operate in TV. Let's say, today all 18 bikes were in the golf cart lane and you in your car came up along side with your right turn signal on. Would they know anything other than you're going to make a right turn, would freeze and pile into one another, or they continue and pedal faster. They don't know if you're going to cut them off, how about the cars behind you If I were driving and saw 18 bikes in the cart lane and I was going 30 mph in my car and I had to make a turn in 200 yards, I look ahead and determine if there was time to accelerate and move safely far enough ahead of the pack and make my right right, or I would slow my speed to say 15 to 20 mph so that by time I reached the corner I could turn behind the pack. It's part of operating a motor vehicle.

Sounds like you are butting in line whole telling the golf carts what you want to do. You would not have to worry about the golf cart knowing your intentions if you weren’t so close to them. Be patient and let them pass before turning.

admiral72 03-15-2021 10:20 AM

Florida Law applies
 
Cars, carts, motorcycles and mopeds are all vehicles and Florida's law rules. 316.003 – Definitions

(77) Street or Highway

(a) The entire width between the boundary lines of every way or place of whatever nature when any part thereof is open to the use of the public for purposes of vehicular traffic;

(b) The entire width between the boundary lines of any privately owned way or place used for vehicular travel by the owner and those having express or implied permission from the owner, but not by other persons, or any limited access road owned or controlled by a special district, whenever, by written agreement entered into under s. 316.006(2)(b) or (3)(b), a county or municipality exercises traffic control jurisdiction over said way or place;

Local authorities may enact ordinances related to golf carts on sidewalks under certain circumstances. That does not seem to include operating golf carts in bike lanes

s. 316.008 – Powers of Local Authorities

(7) A county or municipality may enact an ordinance to permit, control, or regulate the operation of vehicles, golf carts, mopeds, motorized scooters, and electric personal assistive mobility devices on sidewalks or sidewalk areas when such use is permissible under federal law. The ordinance must restrict such vehicles or devices to a maximum speed of 15 miles per hour in such areas.

Other statutes apply to the operation of golf carts in the roadway.

s. 316.212 – Operation of Golf Carts on Certain Roadways

The operation of a golf cart upon the public roads or streets of this state is prohibited except as provided herein:

(1) A golf cart may be operated only upon a county road that has been designated by a county, a municipal street that has been designated by a municipality, or a two-lane county road located within the jurisdiction of a municipality designated by that municipality, for use by golf carts. Prior to making such a designation, the responsible local governmental entity must first determine that golf carts may safely travel on or cross the public road or street, considering factors including the speed, volume, and character of motor vehicle traffic using the road or street. Upon a determination that golf carts may be safely operated on a designated road or street, the responsible governmental entity shall post appropriate signs to indicate that such operation is allowed.

The full statute is here:

Chapter 316 Section 212 - 2016 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

s. 316.003 – Definitions

(64) Roadway – That portion of a highway improved, designed, or ordinarily used for vehicular travel, exclusive of the berm or shoulder.

Note that the paved shoulder is not part of the roadway and that vehicles must be driven on the roadway.

s. 316.081– Driving on Right Side of Roadway; Exceptions

(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway

s. 316.081 – Driving on Right Side of Roadway; Exceptions

(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway

s. 316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions

(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

daddymac1127 03-15-2021 10:33 AM

Whatever happened to common courtesy and COOMON SENSE. If we all practice these things would we really need all the laws of the roadway?

John_W 03-15-2021 10:45 AM

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dewilson58 03-15-2021 10:48 AM

:popcorn::popcorn:


This is why there are accidents.


:popcorn::popcorn:

cbmerl 03-15-2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortal1 (Post 1915560)
No, no, no...golf carts do not have the right of way!!! It's foolish to think/act otherwise.

Oh yes they do!! Under the circumstances of a golf cart in the golf cart lane and a car on the road next to it wanting to turn RIGHT, the golf cart has the right of way to continue straight across the street that the car is wanting to turn into. Very simple. Car waits until right turn is safe and clear!

John_W 03-15-2021 10:55 AM

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jjombrello 03-15-2021 11:02 AM

I agree with this. Crossing the white line on your right could get you a ticket.

Joe V. 03-15-2021 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by admiral72 (Post 1915818)
Cars, carts, motorcycles and mopeds are all vehicles and Florida's law rules. 316.003 – Definitions

(77) Street or Highway

(a) The entire width between the boundary lines of every way or place of whatever nature when any part thereof is open to the use of the public for purposes of vehicular traffic;

(b) The entire width between the boundary lines of any privately owned way or place used for vehicular travel by the owner and those having express or implied permission from the owner, but not by other persons, or any limited access road owned or controlled by a special district, whenever, by written agreement entered into under s. 316.006(2)(b) or (3)(b), a county or municipality exercises traffic control jurisdiction over said way or place;

Local authorities may enact ordinances related to golf carts on sidewalks under certain circumstances. That does not seem to include operating golf carts in bike lanes

s. 316.008 – Powers of Local Authorities

(7) A county or municipality may enact an ordinance to permit, control, or regulate the operation of vehicles, golf carts, mopeds, motorized scooters, and electric personal assistive mobility devices on sidewalks or sidewalk areas when such use is permissible under federal law. The ordinance must restrict such vehicles or devices to a maximum speed of 15 miles per hour in such areas.

Other statutes apply to the operation of golf carts in the roadway.

s. 316.212 – Operation of Golf Carts on Certain Roadways

The operation of a golf cart upon the public roads or streets of this state is prohibited except as provided herein:

(1) A golf cart may be operated only upon a county road that has been designated by a county, a municipal street that has been designated by a municipality, or a two-lane county road located within the jurisdiction of a municipality designated by that municipality, for use by golf carts. Prior to making such a designation, the responsible local governmental entity must first determine that golf carts may safely travel on or cross the public road or street, considering factors including the speed, volume, and character of motor vehicle traffic using the road or street. Upon a determination that golf carts may be safely operated on a designated road or street, the responsible governmental entity shall post appropriate signs to indicate that such operation is allowed.

The full statute is here:

Chapter 316 Section 212 - 2016 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

s. 316.003 – Definitions

(64) Roadway – That portion of a highway improved, designed, or ordinarily used for vehicular travel, exclusive of the berm or shoulder.

Note that the paved shoulder is not part of the roadway and that vehicles must be driven on the roadway.

s. 316.081– Driving on Right Side of Roadway; Exceptions

(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway

s. 316.081 – Driving on Right Side of Roadway; Exceptions

(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway

s. 316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions

(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.


And what is the point you want to make?

henry1224 03-15-2021 11:58 AM

cutting off a golf cart
 
If a car is behind a golf cart and passes it just to make a right turn into the upcoming street, He must be looking to get a golf ball through a windshield!

It is safer to just ease off the gas pedal for a bit, the cart passes the street, and now the CAR has a clear path to turn!

Nobody likes to be cut off in traffic!

omimom 03-15-2021 12:15 PM

Please read "Safety" at the link below: Golf carts should always yield to other vehicular traffic in all cases.

Golf Cart Requirements | The Villages Florida

Worldseries27 03-15-2021 12:29 PM

I have vowed to never drive the length of morse blvd ever again. It
puts death race 2000 to shame.
Here's how i drive. Drive defensively ⁹⁹ power and you may make it.
Right or wrong is inconsequential when the ambulance ?????? Shows up.

Sunflr08 03-15-2021 12:45 PM

Wait your turn.

coffeebean 03-15-2021 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lindaws (Post 1915680)
Car needs to wait.

You didn't quote a comment so not sure in which scenario you feel the car has to wait. Please elaborate. Thanks.

coffeebean 03-15-2021 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Man (Post 1915682)
I agree! That is the proper way to turn to avoid an accident. I wish more people would do it.

Who are you agreeing with? You didn't quote the poster you are agreeing with.

coffeebean 03-15-2021 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omimom (Post 1915889)
Please read "Safety" at the link below: Golf carts should always yield to other vehicular traffic in all cases.

Golf Cart Requirements | The Villages Florida

It says, "Golf carts should always yield to other vehicular traffic in all cases". I always knew cars had the right of way but didn't realize that carts have to come to a stop if a car wants to make a right turn across the golf cart path. VERY interesting! To be honest, I will never ever trust that a golf cart driver will come to a stop to allow me to make a right turn. Just not going to do it. There are too many golf cart drivers that think they have the right of way around here.

jakers 03-15-2021 02:35 PM

John W is correct. At least according to the police officer that came to a neighborhood meeting. It was his suggestion to safely move into the cart lane to turn right.

juddfl 03-15-2021 02:46 PM

I took a golf cart safety course when I first moved here in 2001. When driving in a car, we were told to put the right front and back tires a little over the golf cart lane in order to make a right hand turn. This way the golf cart will see you and won't be able to try and pass you on the right as you are in the process of making your right turn. The officer said that if you don't do this, you risk the golf cart running into the side of your car. Golf carts merge into the car lanes to make a left turn and cars merge into the cart lanes to make a right turn.

Number 10 GI 03-15-2021 02:49 PM

A golf cart weighs some where in the neighborhood of 900 - 1,000 lbs, the average car is between 3,500 and 4,500 lbs. SUVs and pick-ups weigh even more. So in a collision between a car/SUV and a golf cart who do you think is going to get the worst of it? Even if the cart was in the right, is that any consolation to you when you are 6 feet under the grass or so mangled up that you will need a wheelchair the rest of your life? Are you going to challenge an MMA champion to a fight?

dewilson58 03-15-2021 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1915969)
A golf cart weighs some where in the neighborhood of 900 - 1,000 lbs, the average car is between 3,500 and 4,500 lbs. SUVs and pick-ups weigh even more. So in a collision between a car/SUV and a golf cart who do you think is going to get the worst of it? Even if the cart was in the right, is that any consolation to you when you are 6 feet under the grass or so mangled up that you will need a wheelchair the rest of your life? Are you going to challenge an MMA champion to a fight?

:bigbow:

John_W 03-15-2021 03:04 PM

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thevillages2013 03-15-2021 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjombrello (Post 1915847)
I agree with this. Crossing the white line on your right could get you a ticket.

There are no police giving tickets now.

thevillages2013 03-15-2021 03:51 PM

Final word and a winner is declared —-John
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1915983)
After 59 posts I think we've established in the minds of most folks how to handle a cart and a car when they share the same road and the car is making a right turn. Find your spot before or after the moving golf carts in the cart lane and slide your car slightly over the line so no one is surprised about when you're turning.

For those who fly around in their carts on two wheels half time like it's a toy, here's what can happen.

This cart driver died when he made a left turn on Morse north of 466 into the path of an
https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...1e&oe=6073B210

On O'Delle this cart driver died when he just remembered he forgot something and decided to make a U-Turn without looking and the van driver was unable to stop.

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...90&oe=6075F4FF

John has been officially declared the winner not because of his persistence but because he is RIGHT


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