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BrianL99 02-13-2022 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2060583)
I need to get out more????? Pay attention to the rules???? After 52 years of competitive golf?????? My response: :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And there's this from the rules of golf: "A single player has no standing, and must always give way to a properly constituted match."

Now, in 2004 you are correct in that there was a rules modification that emphasized pace of play over size of group, and a later clarification that considered a single as a "group" However, that does not give a single the right to play through multiple larger groups in rapid succession. Furthermore, this is frequently covered in the LOCAL RULES that make a statement regarding singles. Here in The Villages, the powers that be prohibit any group of any size from playing through. If there is a slow group it is up to the ambassador to move them along and even have them skip a hole (which rarely happens)
You need to read UPDATED Rules of Golf. The statement you quoted, hasn't appeared in the Rules of Golf for at least 15 years. It's been modified at least twice, since.

Playing through: The rule that everyone ignores - National Club Golfer

I'm not disputing whether Clubs have the right to discourage folks from allowing slower groups to allow players to "play through", clubs can do whatever they wish. I was merely correcting those who claim "Singles have no standing" on the golf course. That's simply wrong and harkens back to the Rules of Golf adopted in 1899 ... this is a new day.

JR&TR 02-13-2022 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by advp007 (Post 2060374)
I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?
So much for common curtesy? Common practice up here in Minnesota.

dewilson58 02-13-2022 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom M (Post 2060643)
The starter held up for someone who was late?

My wife and I were over 10 minutes ahead of our scheduled tee time and starter said he already sent out the rest of our group we were assigned to be paired with because they were running ahead of pace.
That happened to me (no wife) at Glenview.
Then the bonehead starter sent me out as a single.

:ohdear::ohdear:

Starters get all excited to send players out early.........personal, internal brownie points.
:a040:

BrianL99 02-13-2022 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Accidental1 (Post 2060617)
Please quote the rule that states singles have no standing, I can’t seem to find it.

I typically let faster players through because it’s the right thing to do.
That "rule" was removed from the Rules of Golf, in 2004. Singles have the same "standing" as any other group and the USGA recommends allowing faster groups, to play through.

yankygrl 02-13-2022 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2060648)
You need to read UPDATED Rules of Golf. The statement you quoted, hasn't appeared in the Rules of Golf for at least 15 years. It's been modified at least twice, since.

Playing through: The rule that everyone ignores - National Club Golfer

I'm not disputing whether Clubs have the right to discourage folks from allowing slower groups to allow players to "play through", clubs can do whatever they wish. I was merely correcting those who claim "Singles have no standing" on the golf course. That's simply wrong and harkens back to the Rules of Golf adopted in 1899 ... this is a new day.
The Villages is special and regular rules may not apply especially on executive courses.

Mortal1 02-13-2022 08:46 AM
actually this info is false....
 
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Originally Posted by Mosells (Post 2060431)
Interesting rule, but they won’t hurry anyone to move a little, just a little quicker.
it depends on the course and the ambassador. many times I've seen ambassadors ask people to pick up the pace.

forebubba 02-13-2022 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 2060537)
Not that specific of incident but they are to monitor time of play, this seems to be a lack of common sense or a new ambassador.
1. Why not join the 3 some?
2. While you let the single play through the 3 some is standing around waiting doing nothing.
3. the single is now riding right behind the next group.
4. repeat #2.? Meanwhile all the groups are falling behind.
5. If the course is empty..no problem...not this time of year.

Mortal1 02-13-2022 08:51 AM
there will always be folks who just don't "get it". whether it pertains to dogs using private property to relieve themselves or golf course rules.

it is not the ambassadors fault if the course management says no one is allowed to allow others to play through and it usually happens because the group letting them play through are either slow or don't like someone on their heels. I often play as a single and am asked many times if I'd like to play through....it politely refuse because it is not allowed....even it was I would not as there is usually another group ahead that I will have to wait for....ergo:no real time saved hence the group that asked me to play through didn't like me watching them. I let them know that I'm in no hurry.

Singerlady 02-13-2022 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by advp007 (Post 2060374)
I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?
You mean you saw an ambassador? Wow!

DrBrutyle109 02-13-2022 08:56 AM
Wow
 
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Originally Posted by advp007 (Post 2060374)
I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?
I’ve heard some silly things, but that ambassador should be ashamed. Half of them don’t really know what to do anyway. It’s polite to let a single through if there a hole or so open.

DrBrutyle109 02-13-2022 08:59 AM
Depends
 
Have to look at the situation. Late in the day and nobody in front of you…..let him through. Maybe you have semi beginner with you…..packed course…of course not. Nothing is 100%
Except most of you don’t know the rules anyway

Waltdisney4life 02-13-2022 09:07 AM
The rules have a reason the ambassadors do a wonderful job if you don’t like it you can play off property is plenty of courses outside the Villages!!!

MSchad 02-13-2022 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom M (Post 2060643)
My wife and I were over 10 minutes ahead of our scheduled tee time and starter said he already sent out the rest of our group we were assigned to be paired with because they were running ahead of pace. Said it's our fault as we should be there 20-30 minutes before our tee time. Had us join them on the 2nd tee (still before our scheduled tee time on #1).
Now that is just wrong for a starter to do that. You should have called the starters manager. We do like everyone to show up at least 20 minutes early, to be sure your checked in and ready to tee off at your tee time. But they shouldn’t have sent out 1/2 a foursome that early and penalized you.

Laker14 02-13-2022 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2060648)
You need to read UPDATED Rules of Golf. The statement you quoted, hasn't appeared in the Rules of Golf for at least 15 years. It's been modified at least twice, since.

Playing through: The rule that everyone ignores - National Club Golfer

I'm not disputing whether Clubs have the right to discourage folks from allowing slower groups to allow players to "play through", clubs can do whatever they wish. I was merely correcting those who claim "Singles have no standing" on the golf course. That's simply wrong and harkens back to the Rules of Golf adopted in 1899 ... this is a new day.
I wasn't aware "National Club Golfer" was a ruling authority. I'm still not. They make a fine recommendation, and I heartily agree with the idea of faster players playing through, when practical, but it's a stretch to consider their recommendation a rule we all should feel obliged to follow.

I have had the experience, not in the Villages, of being out with another player walking in the evening, and a steady succession of singles in carts behind us. Why can't they hook up? It gets pretty annoying to have to let one single in a cart after another go through. Rather ruins the rhythm of our game.

024engine 02-13-2022 09:25 AM
That is correct golf ediquit. Lol no

Scudder 02-13-2022 09:26 AM
Better look in the USGA rule book. Single players are allowed

Proveone 02-13-2022 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by advp007 (Post 2060374)
I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?
She was probably looking at the "Letter of the law/Rule" instead of using common sense. They track group start times to follow them if there is slow play or someone/group complains about slow play. She should have used common sense in your case. But then remember, it's The Villages and they make their own rules, regardless of standard golf course etiquette/norms.

CFrance 02-13-2022 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2060386)
Like any rule if one is allowed not to follow, then soon others will want to as well.
Easier just to enforce and follow the rules.
Yes, I will never play pickleball on a totally empty set of tennis courts again!:duck:

tophcfa 02-13-2022 09:38 AM
I respect the rules of golf, but as far as group size is concerned I will make an exception. Once they ring up my credit card, I expect to be recognized the same as any other golfer weather I’m playing in a foursome, threesome, twosome, or as a single.

DonH57 02-13-2022 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MSchad (Post 2060690)
Now that is just wrong for a starter to do that. You should have called the starters manager. We do like everyone to show up at least 20 minutes early, to be sure your checked in and ready to tee off at your tee time. But they shouldn’t have sent out 1/2 a foursome that early and penalized you.
You see, this is what some people are talking about. Your example demonstrates the inconstant course management of golfers. Several starters will absolutely never let anyone out before their tee time, especially that much earlier with part of a group missing. I also personally know of someone who's foursome was sent out earlier because the previous foursome was a no show. They were not aware they were charged with cancellation points and additional reservation points until they made their next play dates, so beware. It's really sad because there are good people working the starter and ambassador positions and some knuckleheads!:popcorn:

airstreamingypsy 02-13-2022 10:21 AM
I made a comment before I want to delete, I hit the Edit/Delete box but it only allows me to edit.... so I'm writing this to get rid of the comment. How does one simply delete?

Lancer 02-13-2022 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2060564)
the USGA? Really? Pace-of-play issues and guidelines are generally handled by the individual clubs, not the USGA. I'd be interested in looking at any USGA sourced link you have on this issue.
Rule 5.6b
b. Prompt Pace of Play
A round of golf is meant to be played at a prompt pace.
Your pace of play is likely to affect how long it will take other players to play their rounds, including both those in your group and those in following groups. You are encouraged to allow faster groups to play through.

jercoppola 02-13-2022 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by advp007 (Post 2060374)
I had an interesting encounter with an Ambassador today. Our group of 3 let a single play through. Three holes later we were told this is against the rules. The reason she gave was that it messed up their bookkeeping as they didn’t know who was where. Apparently it is more important to keep their bookkeeping straight than to allow a single to play through. Anyone else have this happen to them?
That indeed is the "Village's Rule". Common courtesy and golf ethics tells us you did do the correct thing, but you must remember you are golfing in the bubble. To be honest after awhile you just except this as normal, much like what is sadly happening in America

Snprentice 02-13-2022 11:12 AM
How does 1 person or a twosome get a t time in TV? Very unlikely this happening, especially this time of year. I understand the courtesy of letting someone play through, but if course is full, everyone will be waiting so why do it? Play as fast as you can and enjoy the game.

MSchad 02-13-2022 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2060750)
I made a comment before I want to delete, I hit the Edit/Delete box but it only allows me to edit.... so I'm writing this to get rid of the comment. How does one simply delete?
No simple delete function. Edit and delete everything out and put 3 ///

Speedie 02-13-2022 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jedalton (Post 2060592)
dead wrong again, as a current ambassador, we can make a player or group skip a hole.
I like the word “make”
Sounds like the power has taken over

PPLEPEU 02-13-2022 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jercoppola (Post 2060776)
That indeed is the "Village's Rule". Common courtesy and golf ethics tells us you did do the correct thing, but you must remember you are golfing in the bubble. To be honest after awhile you just except this as normal, much like what is sadly happening in America
Where can one go to see the list of “Village’s Rules” for golf?

Laker14 02-13-2022 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2060541)
You need to get out more and pay more attention to the Rules of Golf. A "Single" has the same standing as a Foursome or any other group, per the USGA.
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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2060564)
the USGA? Really? Pace-of-play issues and guidelines are generally handled by the individual clubs, not the USGA. I'd be interested in looking at any USGA sourced link you have on this issue.
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Originally Posted by Lancer (Post 2060772)
Rule 5.6b
b. Prompt Pace of Play
A round of golf is meant to be played at a prompt pace.
Your pace of play is likely to affect how long it will take other players to play their rounds, including both those in your group and those in following groups. You are encouraged to allow faster groups to play through.
Lancer, thanks for the link. Although the passage is found in the "rule" book, I wouldn't consider it a "rule"...just a vague reference. No set time is specified, nor any penalty for violation.

Dilligas 02-13-2022 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2060418)
They like to keep track of who is on what hole. That is why they ask your "cart color" when you check in. Theoretically, it helps control "pace of play"... Theoretically...
Unfortunately some ambassadors only learned about the time quotes on the cards rather than determining the reasons for groups being behind. We had a large group of 6 foursomes playing and the first group was forced to wait on every hole. Consequently the entire group was waiting on every hole and the ambassador decided to notify the 5th of our group that they were behind and to pick it up or skip a hole.....even though they were on the heals of the group in front of them. Rules and Common Sense are required to do the job effectively.

Laker14 02-13-2022 02:10 PM
I think that things work pretty well here in TV, when it comes to golf, on the executives as well as the championship courses. My experiences with employees (behind the cash registers, at the starter shacks, and the ambassadors) have been almost all positive experiences. For every hundred pleasant exchanges, I've had maybe one unpleasant one. Generally, they seem to understand that the object is for golfers to enjoy themselves.
Given the number of golfers we have, and the generally packed conditions, and the feeling of entitlement and self-importance that many customers bring with them, I think they do a really good job of trying to keep things moving without being confrontational.

golfing eagles 02-13-2022 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2060648)
You need to read UPDATED Rules of Golf. The statement you quoted, hasn't appeared in the Rules of Golf for at least 15 years. It's been modified at least twice, since.

Playing through: The rule that everyone ignores - National Club Golfer

I'm not disputing whether Clubs have the right to discourage folks from allowing slower groups to allow players to "play through", clubs can do whatever they wish. I was merely correcting those who claim "Singles have no standing" on the golf course. That's simply wrong and harkens back to the Rules of Golf adopted in 1899 ... this is a new day.
My apologies. I thought I had clearly stated in the English language that you were correct in that the rules were modified in 2004 and then clarified again subsequently. Let me check that again---oh, yeah, there it is in ENGLISH. Sorry for the confusion:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

kkingston57 02-13-2022 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life (Post 2060685)
The rules have a reason the ambassadors do a wonderful job if you don’t like it you can play off property is plenty of courses outside the Villages!!!
Ambassadors do a good job. However, personally, feel this rule makes no sense. Other reasons to play outside TV. Went to Spruce Creek and paid $17.00 less(am a priority member) and played on overseaded (real) grass instead of the food colored grass in TV. Came home without green stains on my Titleists.

Bogie Shooter 02-13-2022 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PPLEPEU (Post 2060794)
Where can one go to see the list of “Village’s Rules” for golf?
Golf The Villages

RUOK2? 02-13-2022 05:07 PM
"We can make you skip a hole"
 
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Originally Posted by jedalton (Post 2060592)
dead wrong again, as a current ambassador, we can make a player or group skip a hole.
How exactly does an 'ambassador' force a resident to do anything?
Do they call law enforcement to remove players from the course?
Do they, like pool monitors, for example,, produce their ID to confirm that they have the authority which they claim?
Is a resident entitled to ask. "Sorry, I don't recognize you. Can I see your ID?
And then "Yes, your ID is the same as mine. Where does it say that you're a monitor/ambassador."
Of course, a video of any officious encounter usually provokes an indignant outburst, which is good for a laugh later, which appeals to my juvenile sense of humor.

Tom M 02-13-2022 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2060935)
Wow, I thought you had solved the issue by pointing out the written Village rules that nobody is allowed to play through. Alas, I could not find that anywhere in the Villages local golf rules.

I can certainly understand not playing through if the course is full (to just run upon another group), but during slower times if there's an empty hold ahead I see little reason not to allow this. Perhaps this is an opportunity for enhancement of the tracking system.

But in search of a justification of the system, perhaps not allowing players to play through is better than the alternative where many would be complaining that some group in front of them was slow and rude for not letting them play through. Perhaps the system of not allowing is better to avoid conflicts even though it works pretty well everywhere else.

Bogie Shooter 02-13-2022 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PPLEPEU (Post 2060794)
Where can one go to see the list of “Village’s Rules” for golf?
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Originally Posted by Tom M (Post 2060950)
Wow, I thought you had solved the issue by pointing out the written Village rules that nobody is allowed to play through. Alas, I could not find that anywhere in the Villages local golf rules..
You asked for the “Villages Rules”…..that’s what you got.

For your specific question, try this……
Call Golf And Tennis Administration at 352-753-3396 for more information on membership enhancements or other golf/tennis issues.

DaleDivine 02-13-2022 08:00 PM
Why can't we all just get along? Local rules apply...
:popcorn::popcorn::bigbow:

PPLEPEU 02-13-2022 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DaleDivine (Post 2060993)
Why can't we all just get along? Local rules apply...
:popcorn::popcorn::bigbow:
I don’t disagree - but I can’t find any statement regarding playing through in The Villages local rules. If it is written somewhere on the Golf The Villages site, I can’t find it.

olliedog1950 02-13-2022 08:29 PM
Do what I do, ignore the ambassadors, it's quite effective.

Calisport 02-13-2022 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JR&TR (Post 2060644)
People behind you would be held up because of 2 groups ahead of them instead of 2?
2 groups instead of 1


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