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Pturner 02-27-2012 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ajbrown (Post 458747)
Yesterday, Bonifay, par 5 big down wind, 305 from green, group on green. I gave a 3 wood a mighty lash, expecting if I really caught one it would roll out to 260-280 down wind on firm fairways...

As we approached the green, my ball was not short in front, it was on back collar. My heart sank. I dropped my wife off and raced to the next tee at 19.6 MPH and apologized. It was roundly accepted and in fact one of them was shocked how far his ball went. My best guess is it landed 60 - 70 yards short....

I am glad they were nice guys and have played golf enough to understand an accident.

Congrats AJ. Big difference in this situation and hitting when someone is 120 yards in front of you. New to golf or not, it's hard for me to imagine someone not having better sense than that.

Pturner 02-27-2012 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 458313)
As I recall the basic rules are:
1. You enter a golf course at your own risk as you know there are risks of
being hit.
2. If the person who hit you yelled "fore" then he/she has some protection
from being sued.
3. If the person who hit the ball did not yell "fore" and there was a potential
for the ball hitting someone he is at risk.
4. If the person hitting the ball was striking the ball in a way that was out of the ordinary expectation then again the ball striker may have some problems.
These are not meant to be a statement of the law but rather what I understood from playing golf? Only an attorney can make a reasonable judgement as to responsibility!:mornincoffee:

Not sure where you got these "rules," but these are not the Rules of Golf. There is no excuse for hitting a ball ever is someone is 120 feet in front of you.

And, um, if you hit an errant shot that endangers someone, the purpose of yelling "fore" is to protect the other player from injury or death, not to avoid being sued.

Mandles 02-27-2012 08:37 PM

Ouch
 
Watch it out there....that could really hurt someone badly! anyone ever been killed like that?

JoeC1947 02-28-2012 12:12 AM

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JoeC1947 02-28-2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pturner (Post 459865)
Not sure where you got these "rules," but these are not the Rules of Golf. There is no excuse for hitting a ball ever is someone is 120 feet in front of you.

And, um, if you hit an errant shot that endangers someone, the purpose of yelling "fore" is to protect the other player from injury or death, not to avoid being sued.


Interesting article. I wouldn't have thought that.

Golf And The Law

The New York Courts of Appeals, the highest court in New York State and the equivalent of other states’ Supreme Court, has ruled that a golfer need not yell “Fore” on a mis-hit shot. According to the Court of Appeals, those participating in sporting and recreational events assume the risks associated with the activity. In the case of golf, that includes getting hit with an errant shot.

The case before the Court involved three golfers playing on a Long Island course. Two members of the threesome hit their balls into the deep rough. Both located their balls. As the one in front turned to announce that he had found his ball, the player behind swung at his ball and shanked it, hitting the other in the head. For non-golfers, a shank is a shot hit, usually hit off the hosel [the part of the shaft that attaches to the club face], that flies off at an angle not intended by the golfer.

In this instance, the player who was hit was a neuroradiologist who lost sight in one eye and was unable to continue working due to the injury. New York’s Court of Appeals upheld rulings by the lower courts dismissing the case. The Court explained that intentional or reckless conduct may result in a legitimate claim, but that was not the case here. Being struck by an unintentionally shanked shot, according to the Court of Appeals, “reflects a commonly appreciated risk of golf.”

Golf etiquette in determining when one should strike one’s ball was apparently not a consideration in the Court’s determination. Still, it is very uncool to sue one’s long time playing partner over an errant shot…just ask Dick Cheney’s hunting partner [not a shanked shot, but a cheap shot on my part]. The two golfers had been playing partners for years.

hedoman 02-28-2012 05:09 AM

Funny thing, never read about this kind of thing in July.......

graciegirl 02-28-2012 07:10 AM

If you follow golf etiquette, you probably won't have to worry about being sued.

We have lived in golf communities almost all of our married life which will be fifty years in April. It is my experience that most people who golf a lot follow the rules of etiquette. Golfers are generally thought of as gentlemen and gentlewomen and that is one of the things I like about the game. The big stars aren't nailed for drugs and nasty behavior much. (Thank you Tiger for destroying my argument on that one)

The rules of etiquette in any social situation are simply the rules of consideration for others, that we can fall back on when we are angry or impatient and help us remember that we have self control. In a word, they are the rules of acting kindly toward others.

I am really shocked at the behavior I see from some new golfers here. I don't think any courses about golf etiquette are going to change them much. Somehow some people get to be 55 without their mothers smacking them up side the head for being brash and bullyish and for not keeping their mouths shut and barging around doing what they WANT to do all of the time.

I imagine they are doing the same thing at pickleball and at pool and at art class and they are the ones talking to each other at the movies and at concerts.

There just isn't an answer to this. And being impatient in some situations can be very VERY dangerous to others.

nitehawk 02-28-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 460031)
If you follow golf etiquette, you probably won't have to worry about being sued.

We have lived in golf communities almost all of our married life which will be fifty years in April. It is my experience that most people who golf a lot follow the rules of etiquette. Golfers are generally thought of as gentlemen and gentlewomen and that is one of the things I like about the game. The big stars aren't nailed for drugs and nasty behavior much. (Thank you Tiger for destroying my argument on that one)

The rules of etiquette in any social situation are simply the rules of consideration for others, that we can fall back on when we are angry or impatient and help us remember that we have self control. In a word, they are the rules of acting kindly toward others.

I am really shocked at the behavior I see from some new golfers here. I don't think any courses about golf etiquette are going to change them much. Somehow some people get to be 55 without their mothers smacking them up side the head for being brash and bullyish and for not keeping their mouths shut and barging around doing what they WANT to do all of the time.

I imagine they are doing the same thing at pickleball and at pool and at art class and they are the ones talking to each other at the movies and at concerts.

There just isn't an answer to this. And being impatient in some situations can be very VERY dangerous to others.

GG maybe you are at stage 3


Quote from Barefoot in the Multiple Home Owner Thread
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 458231)
I've noticed whenever a "seasoned" poster dares to suggest that The Villages is less than perfect, someone usually steps in to suggest they are grumpy or depressed or need meds of some sort. Usually it is a Newbie, setting the record straight! Or GG, and we all treasure her sunny outlook. Most of the Oldies that used to be members of TOTV have left. We have a few seasoned posters, but this site is overwhelmingly for Newbies who are blown away by the beauty and cleanliness and lifestyle opportunities. And that's the way it should be.

I think that living in The Villages is much like falling in love. In the first stage, the loved one is perfect and the answer to a prayer. In this stage there is perpetual activity, decorating, dancing at town squares, and enrolling in so many clubs and activities that usually you have to take a time out because of exhaustion.

In the second stage, perhaps a year later, flaws are beginning to surface, but the loved one is still almost perfect. Line-ups at restaurants and for popular classes can be annoying. Driving a golf cart everywhere is a little less fun, and people drive their cars more often, especially if they're going to the opposite side of TV. The tendency is to visit the Squares less, and perhaps spend more time at neighbourhood parties and enjoying the pleasures of home. Perhaps even start cooking and having dinner parties, rather than lining up at restaurants.

In stage three, when the flaws are glaringly evident, the loved one is still valued and loved, warts and all. The Town Squares are pridefully shown off to company, and visted occasionally. Parades and crowds are more likely to be avoided than to be desired. People move to larger or smaller houses, or trade a house with a kissing lanai for a house with a view lot. Or move from an old section to a new one. Or from a new Village to more relaxed Historical. In stage three, some people decide TV is not for them. Not because they are grumpy or ill or depressed or need meds. I've know a lot of people who moved out of TV, although of course, they're not posting on TOTV so you won't hear their stories. They are people who wanted to be near the ocean, or live in more privacy with fences and less restrictions. Some people feel that TV is a "cookie cutter" or "Stepford wife" environment. There are people who are sorry they left their family up north and want to be near them again. They are people who were told that "TV is paradise and you should live here". So they moved to TV because they thought it would solve all their problems in life, but of course it didn't, so they moved on.

After five seasons here, I love TV and wouldn't leave it. I'm certainly not trying to badmouth TV, it is an unique community like no other. The only point I'm trying to make, gentle readers, is that TV isn't perfect for everyone. And when people find fault with TV, it isn't because they have an attitude problem. :duck:


ajbrown 02-28-2012 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by hedoman (Post 459998)
Funny thing, never read about this kind of thing in July.......

Forget July. In all my years around golf I have never heard of a golfer hitting into a green from 120 yards while people are still on the green.

To my friend Fourpar: I did not, it was not that kind of a day.

eremite06 02-28-2012 10:02 AM

I've found numerous golf balls in my front yard from shanked shots off the tee. What if I hit one of these balls with my lawnmower and hit a neighbor? Can I be sued? Not if it was a New Yorker shanking it off the tee? Wow, I'm really confused!!! It's good I don't play golf!!

swimdawg 02-28-2012 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nitehawk (Post 460090)
GG maybe you are at stage 3


Quote from Barefoot in the Multiple Home Owner Thread

Ummm....Nitehawk. I know I have blonde hair and all....but I just don't get it.

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH GOLF ETIQUETTE????? :confused::confused::confused:

pooh 02-28-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by swimdawg (Post 460115)
Ummm....Nitehawk. I know I have blonde hair and all....but I just don't get it.

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH GOLF ETIQUETTE????? :confused::confused::confused:

Anger and Bargaining? (Grief stages)

graciegirl 02-28-2012 11:54 AM

Good grief! You've hit the nail on the head.

I am angry about the hitting into people and it will be no bargain when the posse beats up on the hitter inners.:mornincoffee::wave:

nitehawk 02-28-2012 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 460131)
Good grief! You've hit the nail on the head.

I am angry about the hitting into people and it will be no bargain when the posse beats up on the hitter inners.:mornincoffee::wave:

Very Good Gracie :smiley:


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