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billethkid 09-12-2020 05:37 PM
Very narrow view of what is being presented and available then calling it what is the typical fare of TV.
There are many more entertainment groups that perform at the 3 town squares that are not mentioned.

My personal opinion....one cannot portray what one in their 80's like vs one in their 50's........

The entertainment venues are wide ranging....TV is NOT anybody's "typical" retirement living environment.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-12-2020 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1832067)
Very narrow view of what is being presented and available then calling it what is the typical fare of TV.
There are many more entertainment groups that perform at the 3 town squares that are not mentioned.

My personal opinion....one cannot portray what one in their 80's like vs one in their 50's........

The entertainment venues are wide ranging....TV is NOT anybody's "typical" retirement living environment.
Agreed. The Villages has the Hooligans, which plays a pretty decent couple of Led Zeppelin tunes (among other things). They also have a couple of groups that do some kick-butt R&B, Soul, and Funk - which in my opinion is timeless and not really generation-specific.

FishnFool 09-12-2020 06:21 PM
Love the Hooligans! I agree music can and should vary quite a bit here, from Rocky to Uncle Bobs!

While I would have prefered the following to be correct “Right now, there is a boom in building Assisted Living and Independent Living facilities”, actually I believe VLS wasn’t able to utilize those 286 amenities for “restricted to residents of independent living or assisted living facilities (ALF/ILF) “ and changing them to “utilize the unused amenity rights for age-restricted units” was the main motive for the VLS to pursue the recent change to the 2015 amenity agreement and they will be the occupants of any new apartment dwellings in The Villages.

Northwoods 09-12-2020 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1831766)
Bringing the "president" into this is only going to start a political conversation which we all know is prohibited. <wink>
Oh my!!! It must have been late at night... precedent! Where is spell check on this thing. (you know I'm going to go back and fix it)).

rustyp 09-12-2020 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1832067)
Very narrow view of what is being presented and available then calling it what is the typical fare of TV.
There are many more entertainment groups that perform at the 3 town squares that are not mentioned.

My personal opinion....one cannot portray what one in their 80's like vs one in their 50's........

The entertainment venues are wide ranging....TV is NOT anybody's "typical" retirement living environment.
Number one highest paid group in the town squares - Rocky $1650
Number two group Johnny Wild - $1550

And let's not forget all those has beens at The Sharon - if they have a big name look for for the word "tribute".

Topspinmo 09-12-2020 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1831782)
I would like to see all people who will be proven to have made exaggerated posts and posted unfounded rumors about the apartments to run naked around Spanish Springs Square.

But then...maybe I wouldn't like to see that.
Don’t encourage them, you know there electrical boxes around there and we know what happens when drunk “ “horror” Mongers get lost to sex magnets 🧲?

Gulfcoast 09-12-2020 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1832052)
What investment have you made ?
Fair question and none - yet. I'm only stating what I, as a prospective new Villager, would hope to see in TV.

vintageogauge 09-12-2020 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1832064)
I'd give my left pinky for Demshar's to turn into an open "food court" type place, a la Faneuil Hall in Boston.

Could have a taco stand, a shawarma place, a gyro joint, pizza-by-the-slice, oyster/raw bar, hotdog specialty place, a curry cafe, local-roast coffee bar, fresh-made chocolate chip cookies right off the conveyor belt-oven (if anyone remembers the Boston Chipyard, that's what I mean - THE BEST EVER). Another place that specializes in seafood, such as an order of whole-belly clams, or a lobster roll, breaded fried shrimp, and so on. Fresh-filled cannolis with your choice of flavors or dip-ins.

Each booth or stand or bar would be individually owned, and they'd all pay a share of the rent. It'd be like a permanent food truck festival without trucks, and all under a roof to protect from the elements.
That would be great but it won't happen as it will take business away from the restaurants that are paying high rents.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-12-2020 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1832118)
That would be great but it won't happen as it will take business away from the restaurants that are paying high rents.
I don't agree. Restaurants have indoor seating for individual parties (one party per table, whether one person or 10 people), something a "food truck-esque" place wouldn't have. I imagine more on the order of a few long communal picnic tables and benches where anyone can sit at them right in the center of the hall, surrounded by these food booths or bars or niches. It'd be noisy and busy, not suitable for "relaxing" but more for the moviegoers to grab a bite on their way to or from the movie, or for dancers in the square to grab a dog and a soda inbetween sets of their favorite band, etc.

Scott O 09-13-2020 04:51 AM
That’s not what we read, it said closed due to slow business and it didn’t say permanently..

graciegirl 09-13-2020 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1832048)
I mean, if TV is going to survive then it will require my age group to buy in. I'm not really seeing a way around that. It's less of a movement and more of a cycle of life sort of thing. Only 18 years ago I was 8 months pregnant and had a 2 year old. Now I'm planning my not so distant retirement. Time truly does fly.

I'm not looking to take over TV, I just would like to see some entertainment geared towards my age group which seems reasonable given the investment that we all make to live in TV.
All successful business is market driven. I am sure that what is nostalgic will change too. At this point, the average age of a Village home owner is 71. The Entertainment is paid for by the merchants on the square augmented by some tax monies from the Florida entertainment tax.

Lobbying for a change in this situation will be decided and controlled by the merchants on the squares. They pay the entertainers through the entertainment committee which is now privately owned. Just like all things it began as a developer owned entity. But like a lot of other things, it appears their business plan is to establish it and then sell the business. Like Transportation, The Furniture Store, many restaurants, etc.

As life continues here, after time, your group will be the group longing for nostalic nineties music. And then pouf, we are all gone. Someone else will be running the railroad.

Good morning. It is another beautiful day in The Villages.

cegallup 09-13-2020 06:12 AM
I personally found nothing impressive re. to Demshars or TooJays.

All restaurants in The Villages, especially Katy Belles, are at the behest of "The Developer".

With no disrespect, the success of almost all commercial businesses is controlled by the Lease Provisions (cost).

graciegirl 09-13-2020 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1832048)
I mean, if TV is going to survive then it will require my age group to buy in. I'm not really seeing a way around that. It's less of a movement and more of a cycle of life sort of thing. Only 18 years ago I was 8 months pregnant and had a 2 year old. Now I'm planning my not so distant retirement. Time truly does fly.

I'm not looking to take over TV, I just would like to see some entertainment geared towards my age group which seems reasonable given the investment that we all make to live in TV.
I just read that you have not ever been to The Villages.

It is the fastest growing community of it's kind in The United States. EVEN during the Pandemic. It is more than twenty miles long and six miles wide. It has more than 130,000 residents. Only two sit in rocking chairs on their front porch. It has the highest credit rating of any community in the U.S. It has low crime. Over 50% pay cash for their homes. It has a great mix of all priced homes, from over 100K to several million dollars. Forbes rated it the number one community of it's size in the U.S.

Florida’s New-Home Communities Seen Leading The Nation Amid “Amazing” Rebound

GreySkies 09-13-2020 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Pamelah (Post 1831749)
If nightly entertainment returns to the squares at full blast, as a potential apartment dweller in SS , I’d not rent until both ears went south so I could remove my hearing aids and not be bothered by the nightly noise.
Here is an idea!

if you do not like the sounds produced by people living and enjoying life to the fullest...

DO NOT BUY / RENT THERE...

Girlcopper 09-13-2020 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1831684)
Demshar's closed permanently. They have signs outside their restaurant stating so, posted by them.
TooJays in Ft Lauderdale just closed and it had only opened about a year ago. They are ALL closing

dbressette1 09-13-2020 07:45 AM
Demshars
 
Demshars has a sign on the door that says it's being rezoned

villager1114 09-13-2020 07:48 AM
Don't ever be suprised by what the developer is allowed to do

charlieo1126@gmail.com 09-13-2020 08:16 AM
You can find all those
 
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1832030)
I would be among the younger demographic moving into TV (later 50's when we get there). The above musical lineup looks like something that would be offered, and very popular, at my 85 year old mom's Independent Living facility and not something that I would go out of my way to see, myself. There is a definite audience for that entertainment, it is just skewed for an older demographic who grew up listening to it which is fine. So the answer is - my mom and friends would go, but my husband and I would not.

A younger crowd of retirees would rather have: Craft beer/wine/whiskey tastings. Comedy shows. Bands playing oldies from the 70's/80's. Current country music hits. Cooking classes could be fun. Maybe trivia games and other interactive types of entertainment. Football/baseball game or special events like the Kentucky Derby parties.
things here also

jet10s 09-13-2020 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by orangeblossombaby (Post 1831686)
if they continue to have it part of the 55+ community, and not open it to under 55+, and manage it as the landlord as such with no sublets allowed - then it could be a very good thing.

Imagine some of the homeowners who want to downsize, who are still 100% independent, but want less responsibility that goes into homeownership. Living in the apartments. They no longer need to drive to the squares since they already live there. Since it's only 2 blocks away from the supermarket, they could probably get rid of their cars entirely, rely only on golf carts to get to doctors' offices or whatever else.

If they just need a quart of milk - it's no big deal for them to just walk the two blocks. Or they could even just go downstairs and order a cup of coffee from dunkin donuts, no need to buy a quart til shopping day.

But - i lived for 7 years in boston, so i understand the joys of "city life" as an actual resident, not just a visitor.

If i was single i'd probably jump at the chance to live "downtown" in the villages square in a little 1-bedroom apartment.
by jimmy clanton -- dream , dream , dream

charlieo1126@gmail.com 09-13-2020 08:30 AM
People who complain about apartments , should be more concerned about how many Airbnb there are operating here in the villages The apartments which I think are another good option for living here are set in one zone. The Airbnb rentals pop up everywhere you could have one next to you overnight

Aloha1 09-13-2020 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1832195)
TooJays in Ft Lauderdale just closed and it had only opened about a year ago. They are ALL closing
Not at all true. TooJays has been sold and the new owners are doing what they should - closing unprofitable locations. So many unsubstantiated postings here. SMH

donfey 09-13-2020 08:37 AM
Demshar's
 
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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1831670)
Demshar's did not go out of business, they closed temporarily. TooJays filed for bankruptcy months ago and I suspect this is part of expense reduction since the other two are still open. Katie Belle's is the only one that actually closed with no plans to reopen .
AND, Demshar's 2nd location - Cheers at Stonecrest Country Club (North of Wal-Mart off 441) - is doing well. Just stop at the gate and tell them you're going to the restaurant. We go for their Friday Fish Fry most weeks, and their Sunday brunch is great.

JSR22 09-13-2020 08:41 AM
TooJays
 
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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1832195)
TooJays in Ft Lauderdale just closed and it had only opened about a year ago. They are ALL closing
Not true. They were sold and the buyers did not purchase the stores that were under performing.

asianthree 09-13-2020 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1832030)
A younger crowd of retirees would rather have: Craft beer/wine/whiskey tastings. Comedy shows. Bands playing oldies from the 70's/80's. Current country music hits. Cooking classes could be fun. Maybe trivia games and other interactive types of entertainment. Football/baseball game or special events like the Kentucky Derby parties.
Well since you have never been here what you think We should have is already established.And yes we have many here who are younger than you.

We have more than 20 wine clubs with Three Sommelier that live in TV. I personally know five master Sommelier and spend a great deal of time gaining experience for exams. Pairing, blind tasting happens monthly. Beer clubs-that brew their own style.

As far as a whiskey tasting there are certified people who host tasting parties.

Hands on cooking clubs, are full every month. As far as Kentucky derby parties those happen too. TV has more than a thousand clubs here.

So before you think what TV should have for incoming new residents, one might want to visit TV to understand That we have those things, and many more.

waverly51 09-13-2020 10:04 AM
Closing of Demshars
 
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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1831670)
Demshar's did not go out of business, they closed temporarily. TooJays filed for bankruptcy months ago and I suspect this is part of expense reduction since the other two are still open. Katie Belle's is the only one that actually closed with no plans to reopen .
Actually in yesterday’s paper it said that Demshars is closing permanently. Anyone else see it?

Gulfcoast 09-13-2020 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1832269)
Well since you have never been here what you think We should have is already established.And yes we have many here who are younger than you.

We have more than 20 wine clubs with Three Sommelier that live in TV. I personally know five master Sommelier and spend a great deal of time gaining experience for exams. Pairing, blind tasting happens monthly. Beer clubs-that brew their own style.

As far as a whiskey tasting there are certified people who host tasting parties.

Hands on cooking clubs, are full every month. As far as Kentucky derby parties those happen too. TV has more than a thousand clubs here.

So before you think what TV should have for incoming new residents, one might want to visit TV to understand That we have those things, and many more.
I've been waiting for things to reopen more before we make a visit there. I knew that there were a large number of clubs in TV and that is one of the reasons TV seems like such a great choice for us.

An earlier poster had mentioned a specific entertainment lineup and I just gave my honest opinion about that lineup. Some others posted that the entertainment mentioned was pretty much standard fare for TV. I would think that in a place as big as TV that there would be a good variety of entertainment and something for everyone.

I apologize if I came across as a bit presumptuous that was certainly not my intention.

kathyspear 09-13-2020 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1832317)
I would think that in a place as big as TV that there would be a good variety of entertainment and something for everyone.
There is actually a variety of types of music played at the squares and the schedules are published monthly. Once things get back to normal (please, God?) and you can visit I think you will enjoy the entertainment.

Good luck with your plans.

kathy

Stu from NYC 09-13-2020 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1832269)
Well since you have never been here what you think We should have is already established.And yes we have many here who are younger than you.

We have more than 20 wine clubs with Three Sommelier that live in TV. I personally know five master Sommelier and spend a great deal of time gaining experience for exams. Pairing, blind tasting happens monthly. Beer clubs-that brew their own style.

As far as a whiskey tasting there are certified people who host tasting parties.

Hands on cooking clubs, are full every month. As far as Kentucky derby parties those happen too. TV has more than a thousand clubs here.

So before you think what TV should have for incoming new residents, one might want to visit TV to understand That we have those things, and many more.
Well said. Cant wait for everything to reopen

Gulfcoast 09-13-2020 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by kathyspear (Post 1832319)
There is actually a variety of types of music played at the squares and the schedules are published monthly. Once things get back to normal (please, God?) and you can visit I think you will enjoy the entertainment.

Good luck with your plans.

kathy
Thanks. Right now, we're planning a visit for early/mid January. I am really hoping that things will be more back to normal by then.

Kenswing 09-13-2020 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1832064)
I'd give my left pinky for Demshar's to turn into an open "food court" type place, a la Faneuil Hall in Boston.

Could have a taco stand, a shawarma place, a gyro joint, pizza-by-the-slice, oyster/raw bar, hotdog specialty place, a curry cafe, local-roast coffee bar, fresh-made chocolate chip cookies right off the conveyor belt-oven (if anyone remembers the Boston Chipyard, that's what I mean - THE BEST EVER). Another place that specializes in seafood, such as an order of whole-belly clams, or a lobster roll, breaded fried shrimp, and so on. Fresh-filled cannolis with your choice of flavors or dip-ins.

Each booth or stand or bar would be individually owned, and they'd all pay a share of the rent. It'd be like a permanent food truck festival without trucks, and all under a roof to protect from the elements.
I kinda like this idea. When we visited London one of our favorite things to do was go to the various street markets for the great variety of food we could get. Basically a food court on steroids.

oldtimes 09-13-2020 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1832064)
I'd give my left pinky for Demshar's to turn into an open "food court" type place, a la Faneuil Hall in Boston.

Another place that specializes in seafood, such as an order of whole-belly clams, or a lobster roll, breaded fried shrimp, and so on.
I would love this. I so miss the Cousins Maine Lobster truck.

coffeebean 09-13-2020 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GreySkies (Post 1832182)
Here is an idea!

if you do not like the sounds produced by people living and enjoying life to the fullest...

DO NOT BUY / RENT THERE...
I lOVE the sounds of people living and enjoying life to the fullest. I just want to be able to "turn off" that sound by not living near by. I prefer to hop in my golf cart and drive home, away from those lovely sounds. But.......that's just me.

coffeebean 09-13-2020 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1832195)
TooJays in Ft Lauderdale just closed and it had only opened about a year ago. They are ALL closing
Oh no!!! Anyone know who has great Rugelach, as good as Toojays?

JSR22 09-13-2020 01:09 PM
False
 
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1832364)
Oh no!!! Anyone know who has great Rugelach, as good as Toojays?
TooJays emerged from Chapter 11 and was sold. The new owners decline to purchase the stores that were under performing. I don't know why they opened in Ft. Lauderdale. That area has real Jewish delis that are much better then TooJays.

champion6 09-13-2020 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by waverly51 (Post 1832307)
Actually in yesterday’s paper it said that Demshars is closing permanently. Anyone else see it?
No. Go back at find what you think you saw.

Attached is a picture that is in a Sept. 10 article in the online news site. The sign posted at Demshar's indicates TEMPORARY closing.

EdFNJ 09-13-2020 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by champion6 (Post 1832393)
No. Go back at find what you think you saw.

Attached is a picture that is in a Sept. 10 article in the online news site. The sign posted at Demshar's indicates TEMPORARY closing.
While it might not be written as one it sure SOUNDS like a "farewell." They still have to pay rent and insurance and like most restaurants around here they have outside seating and can still serve some inside and can now open their bar and have less employees. While I do feel sorry for them my first (and final) experience there was horrendous so I won't miss them.

EdFNJ 09-13-2020 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1832064)
I'd give my left pinky for Demshar's to turn into an open "food court" type place, a la Faneuil Hall in Boston..
Yea, not likely. They can't get that right anywhere but where is began. My wife is from Boston (actually Newton) and Faneuil Hall was the first place I ever got shat upon by a pigeon. I have fond remembrances. Also the first (and last) place I ever ate a smelt sandwich. :D

Dana1963 09-13-2020 04:03 PM
The Villages is not the demographics that would support something like a Faneuil Hall or the population diversity Boston area has to offer. Whereas Boston has constant tourism 12 months a year. We have golf and loose about 40% of out population for 8 months.

Dana1963 09-13-2020 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1832064)
I'd give my left pinky for Demshar's to turn into an open "food court" type place, a la Faneuil Hall in Boston.

Could have a taco stand, a shawarma place, a gyro joint, pizza-by-the-slice, oyster/raw bar, hotdog specialty place, a curry cafe, local-roast coffee bar, fresh-made chocolate chip cookies right off the conveyor belt-oven (if anyone remembers the Boston Chipyard, that's what I mean - THE BEST EVER). Another place that specializes in seafood, such as an order of whole-belly clams, or a lobster roll, breaded fried shrimp, and so on. Fresh-filled cannolis with your choice of flavors or dip-ins.

Each booth or stand or bar would be individually owned, and they'd all pay a share of the rent. It'd be like a permanent food truck festival without trucks, and all under a roof to protect from the elements.
The Villages is not the demographics that would support something like a Faneuil Hall or the population diversity Boston area has to offer. Whereas Boston has constant tourism 12 months a year. We have golf and loose about 40% of out population for 8 months.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-13-2020 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1832415)
The Villages is not the demographics that would support something like a Faneuil Hall or the population diversity Boston area has to offer. Whereas Boston has constant tourism 12 months a year. We have golf and loose about 40% of out population for 8 months.
Actually - the whole point of this thread (and several others including the recent thread about the entertainment schedule) is to remind people that if you're over 70 years old, your generation is done "moving in" to the Villages. The generation moving in now, grew up on rock and roll, hip-hop, new wave, punk, psychedelic and album-oriented rock. The generation moving in now from the greater New England area cut their teeth on places like Faneuil Hall, and the generation moving in now has experienced more diversity in their most recent 30 years than the 80-year-olds have experienced in their lifetimes.

It might really suck to be 80+ living in the villages currently, because the new kids on the block want to hear the New Kids on the Block. But it's coming whether they like it or not. And some day, MY generation will be the 80-year-olds whining about why things can't stay perfect, like how it was when WE moved in 30 years ago.


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