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graciegirl 09-02-2020 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by UseYourBrain (Post 1827066)
Why do they have different last names? Just curious.

Gary's mother and dad divorced when he was a little guy. I would guess that would be in the early forties. (Harold Schwartz married several times) Gary's mother married a man named Morse and moved back to Michigan where she had grown up. In the early forties there was much talk of Hitler and much fear among Jewish families. I have heard this said that she changed his name to Morse to protect him from the harm that was happening to Jews in Europe. It is the tale I have been told. Gary's brother of course, from a different mother still goes by the name Schwartz. Gary's sister has recently retired from the country store and bakery she ran for years, called Brownwood, in Michigan. We have seen pictures of her wonderful donuts and met a real live person who lived in the area that knew them back then and thus the story about his name change. It is a story told us from a delightful person who lived near the old Brownwood and now lives near the new one. Gary also brought many craftsmen with him and even some landscapers too. Gary and Sharon. Sharon died of cancer and Gary remarried and lived with his wife in the compound on the North side of 466.

tophcfa 09-02-2020 09:23 AM

I am guessing Gary would not be very happy about a high density rental apartment complex being built at
the site of one of the Championship Country Clubs he created for the single family homeowners he sold their dream homes to.

allsport 09-02-2020 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1826779)
Didn't notice it until I read your post

I recall reading somewhere that when Mr. Schwartz invited Gary Morse to come down and help him manage things it was called Orange Blossom Gardens (or something like that)...which is the area that we refer to today as 'the historic district'.

Mr. Morse, not Mr. Schwartz could easily have been the visionary and founder of the sprawling new development called "The Villages". The historic section was annexed into TV and given a Villages identity.

So, call it semantics if you want...doubtful that the Morse family is trying to nullify the work and efforts of Mr. Schwartz....his statue is still in Spanish Springs

just my guess...

As is his body or rather ashes under the statue.

Cranford61 09-02-2020 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1826789)
Someone should write a book on how the Villages came to be what it is today

i don’t think it will make the NYT bestseller list.

Westie Man 09-02-2020 11:18 AM

That's funny as
 
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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1826770)
Uh-oh. There goes his statue.

heck

graciegirl 09-02-2020 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 1827113)
Tarrinson and Schwartz started selling mail-order properties called "Orange Blossom Gardens" further north near 42/441.
Later they decided further south, where the historic side is now, would be a better location for expansion.
The area around 42 is still called "Orange Blossom Gardens".

Tarrson.


History of The Villages

pdearmond 09-02-2020 12:04 PM

Has anyone heard that The Villages is going public?

alwann 09-02-2020 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pdearmond (Post 1827236)
Has anyone heard that The Villages is going public?

I can't believe the Morses would do that. It would mean they'd have to come out of the shadows and tell us what's going on.

JoMar 09-02-2020 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1827157)
I am guessing Gary would not be very happy about a high density rental apartment complex being built at
the site of one of the Championship Country Clubs he created for the single family homeowners he sold their dream homes to.

I am guessing Gary would be very happy about a high density rental apartment complex being built there since the single family homeowners to whom he sold their dream homes saw fit not to support the facility that he rented to owners of the restaurant. Harold and Gary were developers and profit motivated. Nobody wanted to take over the facility and since they weren't in the restaurant business they made a profit motivated decision. Same with Katie Bells. We have the right to choose where we eat or shop but if those choices don't sustain the business the owner has the right to go another direction.

Stu from NYC 09-02-2020 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pdearmond (Post 1827236)
Has anyone heard that The Villages is going public?

Darn so they found out we are negotiating to buy the place.

Rosebud1949 09-02-2020 01:01 PM

SCHWARTZ is the founder
 
More re-writing of history, watch out or Mr Schwartz's statue at Spanish Spring will be torn down...

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Originally Posted by Villagesgal (Post 1826763)
Did anyone else see that Gary Morse is listed as the founder of the Villages on page 49 of the new Villages magazine that came in today's paper? His father Harold Schwartz founded and started the development of the Villages until he handed it over to his son Gary Morse. Why is the Villages magazine not even mentioning the real developer and founder of the Villages?????
There is also a street named after Mr. Schwartz, not just one named after his son as they wrote. Why are they trying to rewrite the history of our area? Without Mr. Harold Schwartz the Villages would not exist. Just found this very odd. Give credit where credit is due and don't try to rewrite history.


HoosierPa 09-02-2020 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by swooner (Post 1826983)
You are 100% correct. When I first came here in 1992 the only name connected to TV was Harold Schwartz. He is probably turning over in his grave as he watches what's become of it.

Beg to differ. Mr Schwartz would be so proud of what his Son, Grandkids, Great Grandkids have developed. I sure would be.

Those that don’t like it really should go find another better place.
You could call it “Negative Village”

justjim 09-02-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pdearmond (Post 1827236)
Has anyone heard that The Villages is going public?

Nope, haven’t heard that. Where did you hear that rumor?

asianthree 09-02-2020 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1827288)
Nope, haven’t heard that. Where did you hear that rumor?

Probably while standing in line for the free stuff at trail winds Publix :a040:

Stu from NYC 09-02-2020 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1827293)
Probably while standing in line for the free stuff at trail winds Publix :a040:

What free stuff? Heard that was only the first day

sallybowron 09-02-2020 04:27 PM

I have heard that Sharon Morse was the big idea person for the Villages, but she died young.

kathy1516 09-02-2020 06:34 PM

Hope not. The greedy kids have destroyed the “friendliest hometown.” It’s now the up and coming annex to Orlando.

Stu from NYC 09-02-2020 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kathy1516 (Post 1827382)
Hope not. The greedy kids have destroyed the “friendliest hometown.” It’s now the up and coming annex to Orlando.

Yet just like us they are still coming.and we even like it here

JoMar 09-02-2020 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kathy1516 (Post 1827382)
Hope not. The greedy kids have destroyed the “friendliest hometown.” It’s now the up and coming annex to Orlando.

Disagree.....the only people that destroyed it (and I disagree that it is destroyed) are the people that live here, the Developers give us opportunities, what we do with them is on us.

Marathon Man 09-02-2020 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kathy1516 (Post 1827382)
Hope not. The greedy kids have destroyed the “friendliest hometown.” It’s now the up and coming annex to Orlando.

So, you have decided to move away, right? I mean, no sane person would live in a destroyed community.

John41 09-02-2020 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1827254)
I am guessing Gary would be very happy about a high density rental apartment complex being built there since the single family homeowners to whom he sold their dream homes saw fit not to support the facility that he rented to owners of the restaurant. Harold and Gary were developers and profit motivated. Nobody wanted to take over the facility and since they weren't in the restaurant business they made a profit motivated decision. Same with Katie Bells. We have the right to choose where we eat or shop but if those choices don't sustain the business the owner has the right to go another direction.

I do not believe it wasn’t profitable. That’s a fairy tale only the very gullible would believe.

PugMom 09-03-2020 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1826770)
Uh-oh. There goes his statue.

:shocked::duck::clap2:

J1ceasar 09-03-2020 05:34 AM

The real driving force and success of the villages is simply statistics and the Aging of America, one of the luckiest Sons to have a father who gave him a business I won't mention the other one.

Two Bills 09-03-2020 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pdearmond (Post 1827236)
Has anyone heard that The Villages is going public?

No.
But an awfull lot of public is going The Villages!:icon_wink:

LowOnCash 09-03-2020 06:55 AM

The original developers would rather remain unseen now that they have endorsed the in-flux of thousands of new owners swarming the apartments they built destroying the original ideal of what the villages is about.

dewilson58 09-03-2020 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LowOnCash (Post 1827537)
The original developers would rather remain unseen now that they have endorsed the in-flux of thousands of new owners swarming the apartments they built destroying the original ideal of what the villages is about.




:1rotfl:

davem4616 09-03-2020 07:44 AM

funny how folks that are living a pretty darn good life in TV still find little things to gripe about

if you're not happy living here and refuse to move...please, get a different hobby

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-03-2020 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Villagesgal (Post 1826763)
Did anyone else see that Gary Morse is listed as the founder of the Villages on page 49 of the new Villages magazine that came in today's paper? His father Harold Schwartz founded and started the development of the Villages until he handed it over to his son Gary Morse. Why is the Villages magazine not even mentioning the real developer and founder of the Villages?????
There is also a street named after Mr. Schwartz, not just one named after his son as they wrote. Why are they trying to rewrite the history of our area? Without Mr. Harold Schwartz the Villages would not exist. Just found this very odd. Give credit where credit is due and don't try to rewrite history.

Sorry, but Mr Schwartz did not simply hand over The Villages to his son. The fact is that that Schwartz and his partner, Al Tarrson, were trying, without much success to develop what we now know as The Villages. They created a small mobile home park called Orange Blossom Gardens. Because sales were so poor, Tarrson wanted out.

Schwartz called his son in as a partner. It was Gary Morse who suggested to Schwartz that developments such as this needed amenities. It was Morse that built the first golf courses, pools and rec centers.

In 1983 sales of mobile homes in OBG were a total of about 400. Once Morse was brought in sales began to increase exponentially.

Now I take nothing away from Harold Schwartz. He was the founder. He was the guy that had the vision. He was in charge and needed to approve everything.

But it was Gary Morse that turned a small mobile home park into The Villages. He needed his father's permission, but without his ideas The Villages would not exist today.

Gary Morse is responsible for much of the lifestyle that we have today.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-03-2020 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HelenLCSW (Post 1827082)
Schwartz was Jewish — it seems they want to separate themselves from that heritage

Harold Schwartz and his wife divorced during WW2. His wife remarried a named named Morse. She was afraid that if we lost the war that the Nazis would invade our country and kill all of the Jews so she legally changed the names of her children to their stepfather's name.

I don't believe that Harold's wife was Jewish but I can't find anything about that. Her name was Mary Louise Lee.

Gary Morse's actual name, by the way is Harold Gary Morse (nee Schwartz).

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-03-2020 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Smothers (Post 1827114)
That really sucks. Harold Schwartz's statue is on Spanish Springs Town square. Will they take that down?

I doubt it. His grandchildren are very proud of what their grandfather started. The ashes of Harold Schwartz are in the box that the statue stands on.

It was his son, Harold Gary Morse that had that statue erected. I doubt that his children would take it down.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-03-2020 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1827157)
I am guessing Gary would not be very happy about a high density rental apartment complex being built at
the site of one of the Championship Country Clubs he created for the single family homeowners he sold their dream homes to.

How would any of us have any idea what Gary Morse would have thought about any of the changes and/or additions that have gone on?

A lot of these plans have been in the works for several years. Morse may even have had input into them.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-03-2020 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by swooner (Post 1826983)
You are 100% correct. When I first came here in 1992 the only name connected to TV was Harold Schwartz. He is probably turning over in his grave as he watches what's become of it.

While it's true that most people only knew the name of Harold Schwartz in connection with The Villages, Gary Morse had been highly involved since 1983.

Often in the case of big companies like this, there is a Mr Inside and a Mr Outside. Harold Schwartz was a personable guy that made himself very visible. I have spoken with residents on the Historic side that told stories of how he would invite people into his house for iced tea and cookies. He would personally greet people who came for lifestyle visits and give them his home phone number.

Gary Morse was different type person. He worked behind the scenes and keep to himself. He was a very private person who shunned attention and the media. He allowed his father to deal with all of that. But it was his vision and ideas that turned a little mobile home park into what we now know as The Villages.

The truth is that the two of them worked together to build The Villages.

It was in 1992, coincidently, that the name of the development was changed from Orange Blossom Gardens to The Villages. So you might have been one of the first residents of The Villages.

diamond2005 09-03-2020 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1827085)
Without Gary , the whole place would be the historic side.

Without Harold Schwartz, there would have been no Gary Morse, and no The Villages.

billethkid 09-03-2020 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LowOnCash (Post 1827537)
The original developers would rather remain unseen now that they have endorsed the in-flux of thousands of new owners swarming the apartments they built destroying the original ideal of what the villages is about.

I would suggest getting more acquainted with how many private homes and residents and property vs apartments and residents and property.

How will it affect the average villages resident?

For the most us....not at all.

JoMar 09-03-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1827433)
I do not believe it wasn’t profitable. That’s a fairy tale only the very gullible would believe.

Your right, the smart Developer or owner would take a profitable business and tear it down, what was I thinking? Your business acumen has set me straight....thank you. Oh, and you became a billionaire doing what?

Marathon Man 09-03-2020 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1827481)
The real driving force and success of the villages is simply statistics and the Aging of America, one of the luckiest Sons to have a father who gave him a business I won't mention the other one.

Actually, the son rescued his father's failing business. Then the son changed how things were done and turned it from a failure into a raging success. Gary Morse is the true visionary and the true businessman who made the vision a reality. His father soon retired.

Villagevip 09-03-2020 11:22 AM

But, but what is going on with Paige.... ?

Stu from NYC 09-03-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1827608)
While it's true that most people only knew the name of Harold Schwartz in connection with The Villages, Gary Morse had been highly involved since 1983.

Often in the case of big companies like this, there is a Mr Inside and a Mr Outside. Harold Schwartz was a personable guy that made himself very visible. I have spoken with residents on the Historic side that told stories of how he would invite people into his house for iced tea and cookies. He would personally greet people who came for lifestyle visits and give them his home phone number.

Gary Morse was different type person. He worked behind the scenes and keep to himself. He was a very private person who shunned attention and the media. He allowed his father to deal with all of that. But it was his vision and ideas that turned a little mobile home park into what we now know as The Villages.

The truth is that the two of them worked together to build The Villages.

It was in 1992, coincidently, that the name of the development was changed from Orange Blossom Gardens to The Villages. So you might have been one of the first residents of The Villages.

Thanks for sharing the history

mik09 09-03-2020 12:57 PM

Harold Schwartz
 
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Originally Posted by Villagesgal (Post 1826763)
Did anyone else see that Gary Morse is listed as the founder of the Villages on page 49 of the new Villages magazine that came in today's paper? His father Harold Schwartz founded and started the development of the Villages until he handed it over to his son Gary Morse. Why is the Villages magazine not even mentioning the real developer and founder of the Villages?????
There is also a street named after Mr. Schwartz, not just one named after his son as they wrote. Why are they trying to rewrite the history of our area? Without Mr. Harold Schwartz the Villages would not exist. Just found this very odd. Give credit where credit is due and don't try to rewrite history.

It maybe because when Schwartz started it all it was called Orange Blossom Garden and not The Villages. My father originally purchased one of the first units through Schwartz.

JoMar 09-03-2020 08:22 PM

There was a documentary made shortly after Gary's death. It was produced by the family and was shown at the Sharon during the meet the Developer meeting. It contained interviews with the family, with the guys who ran construction and some humorous yet revealing moments. To my knowledge it was the only time it was shown but rolled back the curtain on how this all came about.


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