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redwitch 03-17-2013 07:54 PM

I can see why the question was raised. I admire what the Morses have created; the business acumen shown is extraordinary. I'm not convinced I'm a great fan of the what the family and the man seem to be -- the hunting issues, the tax issues, the previous lawsuit. It would have been nice to hear of some good having been done that has no real benefit to the Morses.

I don't understand the pedestal the family is put on. The Villages wasn't created to make anyone here happy -- it was a business venture that turned out beautifully for all concerned. Bravo and kudos for that!!! (Truly, no sarcasm meant.)

They're all human. They do bad things, they do good things. It would be nice to hear more of the good things (and contributing to the Republican Party is not necessarily a good thing lol).

How about if those who put them on a pedestal try to let them be human and walk on this planet and those who love to bash them try to find some of the good?

redwitch 03-17-2013 07:59 PM

And now for one thing I do know that Gary Morse has done in the past which truly is of little, if any, benefit to him or his family. We have nightly entertainment in the Squares and frequent shows at Savannah Center. We really don't need to be entertained at Church in the Square. Yet, we are and some of it is some of the best entertainment we get and can be quite expensive.

I don't know if Gary Morse still does it, but I believe he does. In the past, he would provide rooms (formerly put them up at the townhouses by Spanish Springs) and food for the entertainers, regardless of the size of the troupe. Considering there have been some sizable choruses, that was probably a sizable expense, plus covering any losses that may have occurred. So, to me, this is a big plus on the good side for Gary and his family.

dmorhome 03-17-2013 08:16 PM

Morse family contributions.
 
Open your eyes they have put more people to work than you can imagine.and that is good enough for me.

Challenger 03-17-2013 08:17 PM

How does a charitable contribution benefit anyone financially unless they are in a 101% or higher tax bracket?

villagerjack 03-17-2013 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 643476)
The question was raised in another thread about whether or not the Developer had made some contributions for the good of humanity as a whole such as building a new school or hospital which will not directly benefit themselves financially other than maybe being named after them. The post went on to say that maybe we would all feel better if we knew more about the generosity shown by the Developer when it did not directly benefit him/them.

I have never heard about the Morses supporting a charity, and am really curious if they do so. We hear so much about the 4 jets he owns, the multi million dollar yacht, his ownership of the Villages banks, local newspaper, a television channel and an AM radio station. His realty company controls 60 percent of the re-sale market in the Villages. He even owns the utility company. And before someone jumps in and says he deserves it all, he's such a wonderful businessman, don't bother. I agree - he knows his financial P's and Q's. That's not what this post is about. But why do we hear nothing about charitable contributions? The guy is supposedly worth $2.5 billion. If we Google other billionaires we see plenty of charity donations - look at Gates, Buffet. Bloomberg, Ted Turner, and others. But I can't come up with a single charitable donation from the Morses. :undecided:

PLEASE list your net worth and your charitable contributions. On second thought, forget it. I don't care what anyone else is worth or what their charitable contributions are/were.,

Geewiz 03-17-2013 08:54 PM

Methinks this discussion occasionally becomes a metaphor that allows folks to explore topics that used to go into "the forum that can't be named" aka the Voldemort/political forum.

No judgement from me...just an observation.

Actually, it got me thinking how many of our divisions find their roots in the old north-south thing...but, I digress.

Love to all.

The Buckeyes 03-17-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Trish Crocker (Post 643546)
Would you mind opening up your finances and investments to the rest of us and then allowing us to see if a large enough percentage of YOUR income was given to charity. I would also like to see your tax returns for the past 7 years. If you would be so kind, please give us your account numbers and all of your pin numbers so we can verify everything. By the way..you did ask for a receipt each time you put some money into the red canisters at Christmas time, didn't you? Give me a break.

:agree:

graciegirl 03-17-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Geewiz (Post 643963)
Methinks this discussion occasionally becomes a metaphor that allows folks to explore topics that used to go into "the forum that can't be named" aka the Voldemort/political forum.

No judgement from me...just an observation.

Actually, it got me thinking how many of our divisions find their roots in the old north-south thing...but, I digress.

Love to all.

You aren't just another pretty face, Mr. Wiz. I think that the seat of much of the anger toward the developer is political.

DougB 03-17-2013 09:02 PM

Welcome to the Forum, Katie. You may find you need to put a seatbelt on when posting here. Sometimes it can be a very bumpy ride.

Polar Bear 03-17-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyCrocked (Post 643878)
After I came to visit TV the first time, my friends asked me what I liked most. I said that everyone was so happy and friendly.
I hope none of my friends read this forum because there is a lot of bitterness and vitriol here. Seems like people should just not open a thread if they know they don't like the subject.

Don't worry too much about it, Betty. It's the nature of the beast. Internet forums...all of them from my experience...have a lot of negative you have to filter through to get to the good stuff. The percentage of good stuff is higher in the TOTV forums than almost any other forums I've participated in. But some nastiness is inevitable. That doesn't change the fact that you're right about the happy, friendly nature of the people of TV...at least the vast majority of them. :^)

graciegirl 03-17-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sdavis44 (Post 643989)
Don't worry too much about it, Betty. It's the nature of the beast. Internet forums...all of them from my experience...have a lot of negative you have to filter through to get to the good stuff. The percentage of good stuff is higher in the TOTV forums than almost any other forums I've participated in. But some nastiness is inevitable. That doesn't change the fact that you're right about the happy, friendly nature of the people of TV...at least the vast majority of them. :^)

You are right. If you take a negative post and go back and read the posters other posts, you will usually see that the poster harps on the same negative thing, over and over and over.

You soon will see a posters screen name and think...Now what is wrong with so and so today and what is he going to say negative about this place?

The same is true of positive people. When I see certain screen names, I know that their posts will be fair, well documented, thoughtful and accurate and if they are upset, there is good reason for it.

CFrance 03-17-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 643973)
You aren't just another pretty face, Mr. Wiz. I think that the seat of much of the anger toward the developer is political.

Mr. Wiz has some good insights. I've talked to him at Crispers. (Sorry to refer to you n the third person, GeeWiz. That's kinda rude on my part.)

justjim 03-17-2013 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 643820)
Bill, are you from Canada? If not, the period goes inside the quotation marks... i.e., "Apostrophe."

Sorry--I just had to do it too!:evil6:

Carry on. :popcorn:

My English Guru said Bill is correct---0ne word quotation mark goes before period---sentence----quotation mark goes after. Wish I had paid more attention in class instead of looking out the window because I have no idea..... Sorry for the distraction. :popcorn:

Hancle704 03-17-2013 10:06 PM

I could care less what others give to charity. But must wonder was this thread another criticism of the wealthiest not paying their fair share?

Bonny 03-17-2013 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 643752)
I don't think that OP was trying to "bash the Morse's"---- not at all. That is looking at the post from a negative point of view. By listing the "family" contributions to the Community could be considered something very positive IMHO. I don't see the point of "bashing" Mickey. And I might add----don't have any idea who "Mickey" might be.

I'm sorry, but I definitely think it's a bash to the Morse family. No one has asked anyone else on this forum what they do with their money. I wouldn't even think to ask about you. Would you ask me if I give to charity? I doubt it. Just sayin'.

Bonny 03-17-2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 643767)
personally, I find it admirable that gary morse, his family or even anyone here on totv willingly contributes to a personal favorite charity and does NOT seek the limelight of publicity in doing so - as do folks like bates and buffett!

:BigApplause:

Bonny 03-17-2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 643816)
Not only have they provided over 100,000 people with a beautiful lifestyle, but they have provided tens of thousands of people with jobs. They have provided the federal government with millions and perhaps billions of dollars in tax revenue. Where would all those people be working today if not for this development
Think of all the people that work for the Villages, the restaurants, hotels and stores in Villages. All of those people pay federal taxes and spend money in the state paying Florida State sales taxes. What would this area of this state would be like if the Villages didn't exist.
How about the people who own stock in places like Publix and other businesses that have successful branches in and around the Villages. Think of all those people making a few extra dollars on those stocks because the Villages exist.
And don;t forget, all of the aforementioned people not only pay taxes to the various governments but also contribute large amounts of money to charities.

I think that we have to look at all of the charitible donation made by Villages residents and people who work for and in and around the Villages and realize that Gary Morse and his family should get at least partial credit for all that.

Absolutely !!!!

CFrance 03-17-2013 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 644011)
My English Guru said Bill is correct---0ne word quotation mark goes before period---sentence----quotation mark goes after. Wish I had paid more attention in class instead of looking out the window because I have no idea..... Sorry for the distraction. :popcorn:

I sorta get what you're saying, but I still disagree. Actually, it wasn't a sentence. I don't think one word would even have a period, unless it is a quoted declarative sentence, as in, She said, "Scram!"... in which case the end punctuation would still be inside the quotation marks.

Need to drag out my Gregg's, but it's up north.

ilovetv 03-17-2013 10:27 PM

Whenever I've bought a car from a dealer, or service of a doctor, dentist or lawyer, I see that they make a whole lot more money than I ever will....and it's customers/clients like me who help to make them wealthy, just like when I buy a house from a developer.

But I've never thought about demanding to see how much the car dealer, doctor, dentist or lawyer gives in charitable contributions. If they sell me excellent quality goods/home/car/services, I don't need to know if they are generous or stingy with charitable donations! That's their private information!

Bonny 03-17-2013 10:30 PM

OMG !!! Really people ! We are on page 10 in just one day worrying about the Morse families money. Why don't we all list the Village we live in, what house model we have, what we make a year & what charities do we all give to. I'm sorry this is really sad to think that this is the most important thing that you need to know in your life today !!!
Someone needs to just start a thread & say what a wonderful life we are living & just how happy we are to be alive & well and stop worrying about other people. Let's just take care of ourselves and enjoy what we have and put this crazy thread to bed !!!

Geewiz 03-17-2013 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 643999)
Mr. Wiz has some good insights. I've talked to him at Crispers. (Sorry to refer to you n the third person, GeeWiz. That's kinda rude on my part.)

You and Gracie are both too kind.

It's interesting to think about why folks post. I mean this place is heaven on earth for retirees...but, that doesn't mean there aren't valid problems and disturbing questions (a brilliant idea by the Morse family who have been known to dance on the edge of IRS rules/ real estate law for a greenback...and as great as it is...TV is a company town...hopefully, a benign one). Given this concentration of power...a look at the Morse family values isn't as unreasonable as some folks suggest.

But, hey...I can swim all over...attend thousands of clubs...see a discounted movie....and get a nice lunch at Evan's Prairie...all from the relative comfort of my golf cart with the Radiohead sticker on the front - so call me a happy camper. So long as TV stays TV...the Morse family is AOK...I enjoy the fruits of his labor...and watch the whole legal thing unfold with a touch of humor and a bit of concern that all/some of us might end up with a bill in the end.

On a personal note....

Dear Mr. Morris, I will drop all concerns if you make a contribution to my favorite charity..."Help Gee find a new Mrs. Wiz." Please use your vast financial resources/power and introduce me to someone nice with an delightfully twisted streak...but, I digress...:a040:

jblum315 03-18-2013 03:59 AM

Who is Mr. Morris?

CFrance 03-18-2013 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 644053)
Who is Mr. Morris?

I believe the Wiz, in his excitement over the possibility of finding a new Mrs. Wiz, typed Morris instead of Morse, jblum.

Lord knows since I got my lovely fake fingernails, I type worse than a hunter and pecker. Did you get new fingernails, Gee? Probably not...

Taltarzac725 03-18-2013 07:54 AM

Looking for Mrs. Goodbar. Gee Wiz.
 
He should get a dog and bring it to Doggie Doo Run Run. Unless he already has one.
I have met a lot of very interesting people at DDRR since I started taking my dog there around January of 2007.
Some of these dog owners come from various Dell Webb communities as well as other suburbs that surround the Villages. Some of these are very attractive single females but there of course is competition for others seeking company via the dog park routine. I go for the pooch though as you do not want to poop where you eat so to speak. If the romance goes bad....

The Villages could do with some larger dog parks that is something that certainly needs doing by the Morses.

Gee Wiz is right that the Villages is far from perfect but it is a Utopia for some especially those who love to golf, get up early, and go to bed by 10 p.m. or so.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-18-2013 07:58 AM

Does anyone really think that "build out" will ever be done?

gomoho 03-18-2013 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr winston o boogie jr (Post 644131)
does anyone really think that "build out" will ever be done?


nope!!!

Geewiz 03-18-2013 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 644053)
Who is Mr. Morris?

It was late and I was falling to sleep...clearly, not at my best. Humor is best left to the fully awake.

rockyisle 03-18-2013 08:23 AM

I think the original question was one of curiosity, not to pick a fight. While I wouldn't google anyone about their contributions, some would. While the Morse family may or may not have not made "charitable" contributions to major organizations, they certainly have reinvested in this community to insure we have medical care close to us - among many other things.
As for me, I'm personally DONE giving my money to any organization. For instance, the American Cancer Society has many public fundraising events. Rather than give to an organization that is going to skim off large percentages to their staff, I will find someone who has cancer and give my money directly to them.

CFrance 03-18-2013 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 644124)
He should get a dog and bring it to Doggie Doo Run Run. Unless he already has one.
I have met a lot of very interesting people at DDRR since I started taking my dog there around January of 2007.
Some of these dog owners come from various Dell Webb communities as well as other suburbs that surround the Villages. Some of these are very attractive single females but there of course is competition for others seeking company via the dog park routine. I go for the pooch though as you do not want to poop where you eat so to speak. If the romance goes bad....

The Villages could do with some larger dog parks that is something that certainly needs doing by the Morses.

Gee Wiz is right that the Villages is far from perfect but it is a Utopia for some especially those who love to golf, get up early, and go to bed by 10 p.m. or so.

Our dog would certainly be willing to volunteer to accompany GeeWiz to DDRR and act as chick magnet. Just think of it--no dog food to buy, no vet bills, no groomer costs, and if any subsequent romance goes bad... well, just don't show up anymore.

And yes, we do need a DDRR South. Even a private one. I would pay to play.

CFrance 03-18-2013 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyisle (Post 644145)
I think the original question was one of curiosity, not to pick a fight. While I wouldn't google anyone about their contributions, some would. While the Morse family may or may not have not made "charitable" contributions to major organizations, they certainly have reinvested in this community to insure we have medical care close to us - among many other things.
As for me, I'm personally DONE giving my money to any organization. For instance, the American Cancer Society has many public fundraising events. Rather than give to an organization that is going to skim off large percentages to their staff, I will find someone who has cancer and give my money directly to them.

There are still some ethical, well-run, low overhead charities in existence. You can check out a charity's financial health at sites like this one Charity Navigator - Financial Ratings Tables.

I like to support local charities like food banks and supper houses if they are well run. You get a better chance to see where your money goes.

justjim 03-18-2013 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 644131)
Does anyone really think that "build out" will ever be done?

Commercial "build out" will continue after 2015, however, residential will be complete by the end of 2015. This is according to a good knowledgeable source that I trust. It makes sense because they will run out of land that is contiguous to TV. Sorry off the subject to answer a question.

justjim 03-18-2013 09:04 AM

Several posts for that matter off the subject of this thread the last coluple of pages. It appears to me everyone has given their opinion and it's time to close the thread.

NIPAS K-9 03-18-2013 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 643476)
The question was raised in another thread about whether or not the Developer had made some contributions for the good of humanity as a whole such as building a new school or hospital which will not directly benefit themselves financially other than maybe being named after them. The post went on to say that maybe we would all feel better if we knew more about the generosity shown by the Developer when it did not directly benefit him/them.

I have never heard about the Morses supporting a charity, and am really curious if they do so. We hear so much about the 4 jets he owns, the multi million dollar yacht, his ownership of the Villages banks, local newspaper, a television channel and an AM radio station. His realty company controls 60 percent of the re-sale market in the Villages. He even owns the utility company. And before someone jumps in and says he deserves it all, he's such a wonderful businessman, don't bother. I agree - he knows his financial P's and Q's. That's not what this post is about. But why do we hear nothing about charitable contributions? The guy is supposedly worth $2.5 billion. If we Google other billionaires we see plenty of charity donations - look at Gates, Buffet. Bloomberg, Ted Turner, and others. But I can't come up with a single charitable donation from the Morses. :undecided:

THAT IS BETWEEN HIM AND GOD......... WE ALL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR OUR DEEDS ON EARTH SOMEDAY...... HIS MONEY, HE CAN DO WITH AS HE FEELS FIT. IT SHOULD NOT CONCERN US. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO RETIRE, AND STOP BEING CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. ............. ITS CALLED BEING NOSEY..........:1rotfl:

Xavier 03-18-2013 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justjim (Post 644155)
Commercial "build out" will continue after 2015, however, residential will be complete by the end of 2015. This is according to a good knowledgeable source that I trust. It makes sense because they will run out of land that is contiguous to TV. Sorry off the subject to answer a question.

What about the 2,000 acres right in the middle just north of Gracie, I mean 466? Never say never.

Xavier

NotGolfer 03-18-2013 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NIPAS K-9 (Post 644239)
THAT IS BETWEEN HIM AND GOD......... WE ALL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR OUR DEEDS ON EARTH SOMEDAY...... HIS MONEY, HE CAN DO WITH AS HE FEELS FIT. IT SHOULD NOT CONCERN US. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO RETIRE, AND STOP BEING CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. ............. ITS CALLED BEING NOSEY..........:1rotfl:

I agree with this response!! I'd bet my last child that they do many charitable donations that don't get publized. Folks with integrity, especially will do things anonymously! JMHO!!!


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