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Rainger99 08-23-2024 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2363367)
I've been given tickets for speeding a few times throughout my life. I always pled not guilty.

But were you guilty?

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-23-2024 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2363380)
But were you guilty?

According to the law, I was never charged.

Guilt, in terms of law, has a definition. I did not fit that definition.

Did I go faster than the speed limit? Yup. Absolutely. The first time I think I was going 40 in a 30mph zone, in Brighton, Massachusetts. The second time was on the highway, but I got pulled over for irresponsible lane control or some such (there was traffic up ahead, I was annoyed, and while staying IN my lane, I shifted a little left, and a little right, right when a cop happened to look my way. I was also going around 8 miles over the speed limit). The third time was in Plantation Florida, when I was going around 45 in a 30 zone. It doesn't matter though, if you plead not guilty and your ticket is nolled.

Laker14 08-23-2024 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyDog (Post 2363378)
I was responding to comment #34....not supposing different info or criteria than what was described by the OP. It's a very bad habit too many people have in this era.

Posing clarifying questions to the OP is always relevant. Just deciding that others are likely inaccurate or deceptive is not.

In the absence of answers to those questions, suspicions arise.

MightyDog 08-23-2024 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2363409)
In the absence of answers to those questions, suspicions arise.

Perhaps everyone should remain calm and allow the OP to respond rather than carry-on like old-fashioned homemakers gossiping over the backyard fence.

It is a reasonable assumption that the OP is still overseas. That means, a very different time zone and, perhaps, less than constant access to the internet if in traveling mode.

Yikes, smh.

Laker14 08-23-2024 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MightyDog (Post 2363449)
Perhaps everyone should remain calm and allow the OP to respond rather than carry-on like old-fashioned homemakers gossiping over the backyard fence.

It is a reasonable assumption that the OP is still overseas. That means, a very different time zone and, perhaps, less than constant access to the internet if in traveling mode.

Yikes, smh.

Until then, suspicions arise.
the OP is the one who brought this to the backyard fence.

Eg_cruz 08-24-2024 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazbarth (Post 2363067)
I had an experience that I'm curious if anyone else has had and wonder what you did about it?

I was pulled over by a traffic cop in Fruitland Park on 441, just after pulling off of 466a. The speed limit was 35mph and I was going 38, according to the cop.
It was also near a school zone, but there were no children, cars, buses or other signs of life near the school at the time I went through there (I remember it was after 3pm). There was a sign that said slow to 20mph when flashing, which it was NOT doing when I went by.
The ticket to pay it off would have been just over $400, plus "points.".

Because I was going to be out-of-the-country at the time of the hearing, I hired a rep from "Ticket Clinic" to protest for me, which they did for $99.

Imagine my surprise when shortly after the court date, I got the letter saying the attorney was able to get a "withheld adjudication" but now I owe almost $300 for "court costs!" Yep, the same courts that get our tax dollars every year!

This is in contrast to my partner's ticket this summer while we were in MD for a few months. He was driving when a speed cam caught him doing 15 mph over the limit. His ticket price.... $40, all via the mail.
There was just no fairness to this & I was stunned by it all!

Something is very weird about this inequity. It seems to me that Lake County, FL is running a real "racket!" Be forewarned when you are near that area.....

Some info is missing here because in the state a FL for a ticket to be that high you would have had to be in an active school zone or going more then 30 mph over. The highest ticket is $369 for going over 30 mph. Again something is off and I would reread your ticket guarantee you were in the school zone during active school hours and that’s why you got a ticket for going three over, which in case you’d be going 18 over. Sound like your ticket was double because going 10 over is $200 in a school zone $400. Check out the school zone active times and the time of your ticket bet you were in a school zone

Ignatz 08-24-2024 05:46 AM

I think I would have asked for a deferral until I got back to the country rather than have some random ticket fixing lawyer represent my case, especially when there seems to be circumstances that we’re not really sure of.

Topgun 1776 08-24-2024 05:49 AM

Doesn't sound right
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mazbarth (Post 2363067)
I had an experience that I'm curious if anyone else has had and wonder what you did about it?

I was pulled over by a traffic cop in Fruitland Park on 441, just after pulling off of 466a. The speed limit was 35mph and I was going 38, according to the cop.
It was also near a school zone, but there were no children, cars, buses or other signs of life near the school at the time I went through there (I remember it was after 3pm). There was a sign that said slow to 20mph when flashing, which it was NOT doing when I went by.
The ticket to pay it off would have been just over $400, plus "points.".

Because I was going to be out-of-the-country at the time of the hearing, I hired a rep from "Ticket Clinic" to protest for me, which they did for $99.

Imagine my surprise when shortly after the court date, I got the letter saying the attorney was able to get a "withheld adjudication" but now I owe almost $300 for "court costs!" Yep, the same courts that get our tax dollars every year!

This is in contrast to my partner's ticket this summer while we were in MD for a few months. He was driving when a speed cam caught him doing 15 mph over the limit. His ticket price.... $40, all via the mail.
There was just no fairness to this & I was stunned by it all!

Something is very weird about this inequity. It seems to me that Lake County, FL is running a real "racket!" Be forewarned when you are near that area.....

I believe we are just getting your side of the story. Something tells me the police have a different view of what actually happened. The morale of your story...don't speed...even 3 mph over.

Girlcopper 08-24-2024 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyDog (Post 2363076)
Sounds like a total racket. 38 in a 35? Wow, call the media - what a non-issue.

I think giving you a ticket was outrageous and the fine was beyond absurd. That situation is not right.

I know in many places (not sure about FL), the police don't issue speeding tickets unless it's over 10 miles over the limit.

Thats at the cops disgression. He can write for less and its legal. Speed limit doesn’t say “ 35 miles per hour but you can go 45”.

john352 08-24-2024 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2363101)
Nice try there has to be more to the story. After turning onto 466a you must go up a hill through a traffic light then approach school on left ??? Sometimes it comes down with attitude towards the traffic officer.

FYI,
The person who got the ticket was driving east on 466A, not west.

Nell57 08-24-2024 06:11 AM

My 2021 Mazda has a setting where it chimes three times if I am 5 miles over the speed limit.
Everyone else who drives my car hates it…but I love it.
Insurance companies are looking for reasons to jack up our rates. I don’t want to give them a reason to do so.

golfing eagles 08-24-2024 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john352 (Post 2363536)
FYI,
The person who got the ticket was driving east on 466A, not west.

FYI, here's what the OP stated:

"I was pulled over by a traffic cop in Fruitland Park on 441, just after pulling off of 466a. The speed limit was 35mph and I was going 38, according to the cop."

This, of course, makes no sense since the school zone is on 466A, about 1/4 mile west of Dixie Ave. Assuming it was posted backward, meaning pulled over on 466A after turning from 441, then the OP was traveling WEST.

Teemotay 08-24-2024 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2363540)
FYI, here's what the OP stated:

"I was pulled over by a traffic cop in Fruitland Park on 441, just after pulling off of 466a. The speed limit was 35mph and I was going 38, according to the cop."

This, of course, makes no sense since the school zone is on 466A, about 1/4 mile west of Dixie Ave. Assuming it was posted backward, meaning pulled over on 466A after turning from 441, then the OP was traveling WEST.


It actually makes perfect sense. The driver went through the school zone on 466A and continued east to 441, where after turning onto it, they were pulled over. It may have taken the officer a while to get to the OP due to other traffic, running the plate before actually pulling them over, etc.

The speed limit on 466A in that area is 35 mph while the speed limit on 441 in that area is 50, I believe.
There may be some other peculiarities with the story but the direction of travel is not in question.

ThirdOfFive 08-24-2024 07:13 AM

From the movie Stir Crazy:

Skip and Harry had just landed in jail. Harry is approached by a rather large sinister-looking man.

Large Man: "What's your charge?"

Harry (choking back a sob): "Innocent!"

Large Man: "Ain't we all?"

justjim 08-24-2024 07:38 AM

Just read the OP’s post again. I never heard of “ticket clinic” but when you hire an attorney for $99 you get what you pay for. Innocent are guilty regarding the incident that was a big mistake getting an attorney to represent you for $99 - are you kidding me?

Grinchie 08-24-2024 07:54 AM

Definitely an attitude ticket.
Also, the attorney should have warned you of all probable outcomes when you hired them. Sounds as though it was a $99. charging mill if no advice re traffic school & 0 due/no points & potential options.
Those attys/paralegals know exactly what will happen in court & should have advised of $300 court costs @ that court.

Margefrog 08-24-2024 08:12 AM

Even in non-school hours there are many after school activities such as athletics, detention, etc. Slow to 20 even after school.
If you speed in a school zone, you could face penalties such as fines, probation, or even a suspended driver's license. The amount of the fine depends on how much over the speed limit you were driving. For example, in Orange County, the fine for going 1–9 miles per hour over the limit is $154, while going 30 miles per hour or more over the limit is court mandatory.

Steve 08-24-2024 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazbarth (Post 2363067)
I had an experience that I'm curious if anyone else has had and wonder what you did about it?

I was pulled over by a traffic cop in Fruitland Park on 441, just after pulling off of 466a. The speed limit was 35mph and I was going 38, according to the cop.
It was also near a school zone, but there were no children, cars, buses or other signs of life near the school at the time I went through there (I remember it was after 3pm). There was a sign that said slow to 20mph when flashing, which it was NOT doing when I went by.
The ticket to pay it off would have been just over $400, plus "points.".

Because I was going to be out-of-the-country at the time of the hearing, I hired a rep from "Ticket Clinic" to protest for me, which they did for $99.

Imagine my surprise when shortly after the court date, I got the letter saying the attorney was able to get a "withheld adjudication" but now I owe almost $300 for "court costs!" Yep, the same courts that get our tax dollars every year!

This is in contrast to my partner's ticket this summer while we were in MD for a few months. He was driving when a speed cam caught him doing 15 mph over the limit. His ticket price.... $40, all via the mail.
There was just no fairness to this & I was stunned by it all!

Something is very weird about this inequity. It seems to me that Lake County, FL is running a real "racket!" Be forewarned when you are near that area.....

I have "Cruise Control" on my car. Maybe you have it, too. (I'm being facetious here. Don't go crazy on me.) And I USE IT! Whether the speed limit is 25 or 70 when I hit it I activate it. I never have to worry about speeding. I don't have to monitor my speedometer. And if people want to pass me doing 55 instead of 35 on Buena Vista...Vaya con dios, Amigo. But don't complain when you get stopped by the cops!

JRcorvette 08-24-2024 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2363097)
I was warned about Fruitland Park "The Friendly City" traffic enforcement in 2008 when we first moved into The Villages. A friend described a similar incident. Due to that I am always very diligent going thru 466A. It seems that I heard that they had a cleansing 10-15 years ago, but I still am cautious.

However, I would say that throughout Florida there is nowhere I that I would challenge the speed limit in a school zone. Even though the flashing light was not active, the speed limit is 35 and not 38. The fact that you did not notice the Officer or even if you did notice and still exceeded the limit you were inviting a visit. Perhaps in a more rural area or highway you might get some compassion.

Unless you had a Digital speedometer I doubt that you could tell the difference between 35 & 38 MPH. I do agree when in a school zone you need to be extra careful. They are cracking down on speeders there.

Sandabern 08-24-2024 11:16 AM

I had a friend of mine try that 35 years ago in Ohio. It didn’t go well… LEOs love it when ppl talk down to them..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2363115)
Well said.


Laker14 08-24-2024 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandabern (Post 2363622)
I had a friend of mine try that 35 years ago in Ohio. It didn’t go well… LEOs love it when ppl talk down to them..

Almost as effective as the "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM??" approach.

eyc234 08-24-2024 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazbarth (Post 2363067)
I had an experience that I'm curious if anyone else has had and wonder what you did about it?

I was pulled over by a traffic cop in Fruitland Park on 441, just after pulling off of 466a. The speed limit was 35mph and I was going 38, according to the cop.
It was also near a school zone, but there were no children, cars, buses or other signs of life near the school at the time I went through there (I remember it was after 3pm). There was a sign that said slow to 20mph when flashing, which it was NOT doing when I went by.
The ticket to pay it off would have been just over $400, plus "points.".

Because I was going to be out-of-the-country at the time of the hearing, I hired a rep from "Ticket Clinic" to protest for me, which they did for $99.

Imagine my surprise when shortly after the court date, I got the letter saying the attorney was able to get a "withheld adjudication" but now I owe almost $300 for "court costs!" Yep, the same courts that get our tax dollars every year!

This is in contrast to my partner's ticket this summer while we were in MD for a few months. He was driving when a speed cam caught him doing 15 mph over the limit. His ticket price.... $40, all via the mail.
There was just no fairness to this & I was stunned by it all!

Something is very weird about this inequity. It seems to me that Lake County, FL is running a real "racket!" Be forewarned when you are near that area.....


38 MPH is not 35 mph. You were speeding.

Two Bills 08-24-2024 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 2363640)
38 MPH is not 35 mph. You were speeding.

Read post #23.

There is more than a 3mph over the limit situation involved in this case.

mazbarth 08-24-2024 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaw8700@outlook.com (Post 2363079)
It happened while you were a school zone? Regardless of children being present I believe you have to slow down to 20 mph.

The flashing Iight to say children were present so go 20mph, was NOT flashing!

mazbarth 08-24-2024 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2363095)
According to this website, the fine for going 15 mph to 19 mph over the limit is $300.

It sounds like the judge thought you were in a school zone with the light flashing!

Did you talk to your attorney?

Speeding in a Florida School Zone - Gans Law

Yes they knew.

Glowing Horizon 08-24-2024 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MightyDog (Post 2363449)
Perhaps everyone should remain calm and allow the OP to respond rather than carry-on like old-fashioned homemakers gossiping over the backyard fence.

It is a reasonable assumption that the OP is still overseas. That means, a very different time zone and, perhaps, less than constant access to the internet if in traveling mode.

Yikes, smh.

I resemble your remark. Except I am a house KEEPER. And he’ll never forget it again.🤣🥴🤪

Laker14 08-24-2024 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazbarth (Post 2363652)
The flashing Iight to say children were present so go 20mph, was NOT flashing!

What was the offense for which you were cited, as written on the citation?

La lamy 08-25-2024 05:34 AM

What a ridiculous fine. I'm sorry you've had to deal with this.

defrey12 08-25-2024 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaw8700@outlook.com (Post 2363079)
It happened while you were a school zone? Regardless of children being present I believe you have to slow down to 20 mph.

No, you don’t.

Eg_cruz 08-25-2024 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazbarth (Post 2363652)
The flashing Iight to say children were present so go 20mph, was NOT flashing!

Spoke to a Fruitland Park officer today and he said zero way you got a $400 ticket for going 3 mph over……but yes you could in a school zone

MightyDog 08-25-2024 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 2363534)
Thats at the cops disgression. He can write for less and its legal. Speed limit doesn’t say “ 35 miles per hour but you can go 45”.

Pfft, no. I can't speak about the rules in Florida but, I figured out what I stated above many years ago in Georgia.

I was given a ticket (the old-fashioned kind that was from a printed pad and the officer checked-off boxes, etc.) and I saw on it that the only things he could check were: 10 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 40, etc.

So, obviously, the law in that particular place, was there were no tickets for speeding 9 miles over or less. Elsewhere on this thread, somebody provided those parameters for FL.

golfing eagles 08-25-2024 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MightyDog (Post 2364060)
Pfft, no. I can't speak about the rules in Florida but, I figured out what I stated above many years ago in Georgia.

I was given a ticket (the old-fashioned kind that was from a printed pad and the officer checked-off boxes, etc.) and I saw on it that the only things he could check were: 10 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 40, etc.

So, obviously, the law in that particular place, was there were no tickets for speeding 9 miles over or less. Elsewhere on this thread, somebody provided those parameters for FL.

In NY, the State Trooper's motto was---"eight you skate, nine you're mine":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Topspinmo 08-25-2024 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2363256)
Nope - there is a sign that says “when children are present”. It appears you have a Local Police Officer that is a bit over aggressive IMHO.

Was the lights flashing?

huntervonmanley 08-25-2024 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazbarth (Post 2363067)
I had an experience that I'm curious if anyone else has had and wonder what you did about it?

I was pulled over by a traffic cop in Fruitland Park on 441, just after pulling off of 466a. The speed limit was 35mph and I was going 38, according to the cop.
It was also near a school zone, but there were no children, cars, buses or other signs of life near the school at the time I went through there (I remember it was after 3pm). There was a sign that said slow to 20mph when flashing, which it was NOT doing when I went by.
The ticket to pay it off would have been just over $400, plus "points.".

Because I was going to be out-of-the-country at the time of the hearing, I hired a rep from "Ticket Clinic" to protest for me, which they did for $99.

Imagine my surprise when shortly after the court date, I got the letter saying the attorney was able to get a "withheld adjudication" but now I owe almost $300 for "court costs!" Yep, the same courts that get our tax dollars every year!

This is in contrast to my partner's ticket this summer while we were in MD for a few months. He was driving when a speed cam caught him doing 15 mph over the limit. His ticket price.... $40, all via the mail.
There was just no fairness to this & I was stunned by it all!

Something is very weird about this inequity. It seems to me that Lake County, FL is running a real "racket!" Be forewarned when you are near that area.....


nT

Anyone that is from this area knows that Fruitland Park is Definitely a Speed Trap. You can also add to that list: Groveland & Minneola. Also, Lawtey and Waldo which are both North on Hwy. 301. Belleview and Clermont used to be speed traps but are not as bad now. Those small towns do not have much tax revenue, so they have to get that money somehow.

Also, school just started back. The cops are always very aggressive with ticketing in school zones the first few weeks after school starts. If he really pulled you over for going just 3 miles over the speed limit, he probably thought you were "riding dirty" and just wanted to look inside your car.

Normal 08-25-2024 08:40 PM

5 Years Ago
 
Waldo and Lawtey were shut down. They gave out tickets for 2 mph over the speed limit. It was a scam to fill the town’s coffers with cash. Eventually they were sued and things changed.

Rainger99 08-26-2024 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2364097)
Waldo and Lawtey were shut down. They gave out tickets for 2 mph over the speed limit. It was a scam to fill the town’s coffers with cash. Eventually they were sued and things changed.

Check out the photo of the billboard!



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Rainger99 08-26-2024 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2364097)
Waldo and Lawtey were shut down. They gave out tickets for 2 mph over the speed limit. It was a scam to fill the town’s coffers with cash. Eventually they were sued and things changed.

Speed traps aren’t just in Florida! But they are mostly in the south.

The article reminds me of towns where Boss Hogg is in charge!

11 Insanely Corrupt Speed-Trap Towns

Ignatz 08-26-2024 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2364114)
Speed traps aren’t just in Florida! But they are mostly in the south.

The article reminds me of towns where Boss Hogg is in charge!

11 Insanely Corrupt Speed-Trap Towns

Good article! Never realized that type of behavior was so prevalent before the interstates were built.

Laker14 08-26-2024 06:02 AM

OP has returned to the thread, but still hasn't answered the very direct question: what does the ticket list as the offense? OP obfuscates with "I was doing 38 in a 35" but does not say that was the offense.
OP says the lights of the school zone sign were definitely not flashing. In the absence of an answer from OP I am going to make an assumption that the listed offense was exceeding the allowable speed in the school zone, and had OP been able to go to court in person, it would have come down to the judge believing or not believing that story.
I'd bet that had OP been able to attend court in person and deliver that story, at the very worst the charges and fines would have been reduced.
To answer the OP's question, no I have never had this happen to me.

Rainger99 08-26-2024 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2364146)
OP has returned to the thread, but still hasn't answered the very direct question: what does the ticket list as the offense? OP obfuscates with "I was doing 38 in a 35" but does not say that was the offense.
OP says the lights of the school zone sign were definitely not flashing

I am also disappointed that OP is not answering that question and refuses to supply details.

If she was actually convicted of going 3 miles over the limit she should contact elected officials, AAA, and the press and make a complaint.

She should contact her lawyer to find out how many people are convicted of going 3 miles over the limit.

I have never had a ticket for going 3 miles over the limit and I do not know of anyone getting a ticket much less convicted of doing so.


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