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FaithinGod 12-19-2019 08:39 AM

I think it is very caring of you to consider your neighbors request. You'll have to decide whether a personal relationship with your neighbor is more important than the cost of removal of the tree. It's not always about what is your right but what is the loving thing to do. I will pray for you.

speedo8357 12-19-2019 09:14 AM

Possible tree removal??
 
well . . . what's easier . . . you transplanting the tree, or you're neighbor shifting her chair or foot or two? No brainer.

Topspinmo 12-19-2019 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by gomsiepop (Post 1702745)
Yesterday morning my neighbor rang my bell. I invited her into my home and she immediately said, "I hope this doesn't ruin our friendship". She proceeded to tell me the tree I planted in the back of my home was blocking her "view" of the water. I live two doors away from her and the tree in question is a Magnolia. Our homes are newly built and the tree in question was planted three months ago. I am in the process of having my entire home landscaped right now. I was extremely upset and because I didn't want to upset her I said I would try to relocate the tree. I spoke to my landscaper and he said because I have an interior lot the location I suggested could damage the screen to my pool area in the future as the tree grows. Although I want my neighbor to be happy I am not happy myself. I am upset she waited three months to tell me her concerns. The "view" she mentioned can only be seen from one chair in her lanai to the left side of her lanai. The tree is planted on my property and I did submit the paperwork to ARC and I was approved. Can someone give me guidance as to what they would do in my situation. Thank you for your help.

IMO i would get rid of the magnolia, you will be picking up tree trash and it going to be headache as it get bigger. But, if you want keep it you’re neighbors can’t control what was approved in you’re yard. If she thought the pond view was so important when she brought she should of brought behind the pond.

Topspinmo 12-19-2019 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FaithinGod (Post 1703030)
I think it is very caring of you to consider your neighbors request. You'll have to decide whether a personal relationship with your neighbor is more important than the cost of removal of the tree. It's not always about what is your right but what is the loving thing to do. I will pray for you.

Loving? So, I go two doors down and complain, cause I brought cheap lot at angle within small site of corner of pond and I expect all the neighbors to adhere to my wants? IMO it rude to even bring it up.

wperry701 12-19-2019 09:37 AM

Tell her that you talked to your landscaper and were told moving the tree was not in your best interest.

xcaligirl 12-19-2019 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gomsiepop (Post 1702745)
Yesterday morning my neighbor rang my bell. I invited her into my home and she immediately said, "I hope this doesn't ruin our friendship". She proceeded to tell me the tree I planted in the back of my home was blocking her "view" of the water. I live two doors away from her and the tree in question is a Magnolia. Our homes are newly built and the tree in question was planted three months ago. I am in the process of having my entire home landscaped right now. I was extremely upset and because I didn't want to upset her I said I would try to relocate the tree. I spoke to my landscaper and he said because I have an interior lot the location I suggested could damage the screen to my pool area in the future as the tree grows. Although I want my neighbor to be happy I am not happy myself. I am upset she waited three months to tell me her concerns. The "view" she mentioned can only be seen from one chair in her lanai to the left side of her lanai. The tree is planted on my property and I did submit the paperwork to ARC and I was approved. Can someone give me guidance as to what they would do in my situation. Thank you for your help.

We have huge trees that are blocking our view and they belong to the Villages!! They are not going to even trim them but they did tell us that we can trim them on the bottom if we wanted to. Just like the massive Crepe Myrtles at our last house, behind the fenceline and belonged to the Villages. They were growing over our house...they told us to get a tree trimmer! (for THEIR trees)

rrb48310 12-19-2019 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OCsun (Post 1702765)
My first thought is how attached are you the tree. Will it bother you as the tree grows large and wide that you are blocking someones view? I ask this only because you took the time to ask for our thoughts. Maybe a palm tree would fill your need and not block the view. If you do make any changes I would ask your neighbor to pay for it.

There is a magnolia on the golf course behind my house and it does block my view and I wish I could have it replaced with a Palm Tree. It gets very few flowers also drops quite a few leaves which are messy. Just my opinion but if you love your tree then keep it. It is your property!

I agree with the part that palm trees are less a mess and asking neighbor to share the cost of replacing. In the end it’s what you want and that you did everything to comply with the ARC.

Sunflower33 12-19-2019 11:35 AM

If this would ruin your friendship then there was never a friendship. Friendships should be deeper than material things. Life is too short for this kind of behavior.

Marty411 12-19-2019 12:15 PM

Magnolia Trees
 
I personally like Magnolia trees. They are green all year with beautiful shiny leaves. We have the lower branches cut off. This should give your neighbor more view.

PugMom 12-19-2019 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1702794)
This!!! The best move we ever made landscaping-wise was removing the dirty magnolia on our lawn. Magnolias are beautiful on the back forty of a sixty acre spread only. But I applaud your attempt at diplomacy with your neighbor.

wow, i had no idea! thx for sharing valuable info:coolsmiley:

Villagesgal 12-19-2019 02:18 PM

I had the person across the street ask me to remove some shrubs that block the view of the golf course they have from their den when looking between my and my neighbors house. They bought several years ago and the view was blocked then. I told them that if they had wanted a golf course view they should have bought on the golf course like I did. Simple as that. You can never please everyone, so please yourself.

justjim 12-19-2019 03:09 PM

Magnolia Tree
 
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Originally Posted by bmit16 (Post 1702976)
My 1st thought is why would anybody in a Villa want a Magnolia tree? The landscaper put one in our yard when the house was built. The 1st thing we did was dig it up. They are nice shade trees but they grow way to big for a Villa lot and they shed leaves and cone terribly. Who wants all that maintenance?

A Magnolia tree can reach 70-80 ft tall and a width of 30-40 ft. I would think several times before planting one in our small Village yards. No Landscaper worth his salt should recommend one for our yards. Even on the golf course it’s questionable. :MOJE_whot:

LoriAnn 12-19-2019 05:03 PM

Do you really want your enemies close?
 
Remove the tree and you’ll gain a life long friend. Keep the tree and you’ll gain a life long enemy that lives way too close. In my opinion, she’s doing you a favor. You’ll regret that tree in a few years.

Nucky 12-19-2019 05:32 PM

There really are some great posts about keeping a friend or loosing one. About making or not making an enemy. At our age can we agree that many people are very principled?

If the VIEW is so important have the neighbor let you VIEW the $$Benjamins$$ to cover the compromise that you decide upon. It's not a regular compromise because it should be the neighbor who is feeling ALL the pain financially, not you, you did everything the correct way. Why should you be a people pleaser or uncomfortable? Many people would have told her to hit the bricks.

I have great neighbors, top drawer, fantastic people but there is only one that I would do this for and not accept a penny. If this person matters to you the way this one neighbor matter to me then maybe you have to adjust the plan and foot the bill and upset YOUR yard!

CFrance 12-19-2019 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1702790)
I think you handled the situation very well and have no responsibility to remove the tree. However, let me give you a little advise based on my experience with magnolia trees. Do yourself a favor and use this episode as an excuse to get rid of the magnolia tree. In a few years you will wish you never planted the dam tree. We regretted having a magnolia on our property. These trees grow very big (not just tall but very wide) and create a mess. They constantly drop these rather large and spinny cones everywhere and their leaves make a mess, including clogging your gutters. You will be constantly cleaning up the trees debris. It also becomes very difficult to grow decent grass anywhere near the tree canopy and your lawnmower will learn to hate the trees cones. And if you wait until the tree grows big to take it down you will have to jump through loops with the ARC and pay someone big $$ to remove and replace it. Plus, the now extensive and shallow tree root system will then rot underground and create a fungus that will kill all your grass. Three years after removing our magnolia we are finally getting something that resembles a lawn, but we constantly need to add fill as the lawn depresses where the roots have rotted out.

So my advise would be to get rid of the magnolia for you, not your neighbor. But you will get a double win since your neighbor will think you did it for her : ).

I agree with you. Our neighbor at our last house had one, and we were constantly picking up the leaves. It doesn't seem to flower all at once and be done with it, so a mess was there a lot of the time. The overall shape of them, to me, is not very graceful. I would never plant one, but to each his own.


If the neighbor would pay for removing it, I'd go for it. To me a friendly neighbor is worth it. It could be a win-win situation.

OhioBuckeye 12-19-2019 06:15 PM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by gomsiepop (Post 1702745)
Yesterday morning my neighbor rang my bell. I invited her into my home and she immediately said, "I hope this doesn't ruin our friendship". She proceeded to tell me the tree I planted in the back of my home was blocking her "view" of the water. I live two doors away from her and the tree in question is a Magnolia. Our homes are newly built and the tree in question was planted three months ago. I am in the process of having my entire home landscaped right now. I was extremely upset and because I didn't want to upset her I said I would try to relocate the tree. I spoke to my landscaper and he said because I have an interior lot the location I suggested could damage the screen to my pool area in the future as the tree grows. Although I want my neighbor to be happy I am not happy myself. I am upset she waited three months to tell me her concerns. The "view" she mentioned can only be seen from one chair in her lanai to the left side of her lanai. The tree is planted on my property and I did submit the paperwork to ARC and I was approved. Can someone give me guidance as to what they would do in my situation. Thank you for your help.

I agree with another comment. She bought a home that her view was out in her back yard. She didn't buy anybody else's property for them. Just tell her nicely that you paid for your property & you'll move the tree a little if she'll pay to have it move so you won't infringe on her view that you paid for. If the view is that important to her let her pay to have it moved. She sounds like she's quite old, so yes be nice. You sound like you would bend over backwards to honor her wishes!

600th Photo Sq 12-19-2019 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1702790)
I think you handled the situation very well and have no responsibility to remove the tree. However, let me give you a little advise based on my experience with magnolia trees. Do yourself a favor and use this episode as an excuse to get rid of the magnolia tree. In a few years you will wish you never planted the dam tree. We regretted having a magnolia on our property. These trees grow very big (not just tall but very wide) and create a mess. They constantly drop these rather large and spinny cones everywhere and their leaves make a mess, including clogging your gutters. You will be constantly cleaning up the trees debris. It also becomes very difficult to grow decent grass anywhere near the tree canopy and your lawnmower will learn to hate the trees cones. And if you wait until the tree grows big to take it down you will have to jump through loops with the ARC and pay someone big $$ to remove and replace it. Plus, the now extensive and shallow tree root system will then rot underground and create a fungus that will kill all your grass. Three years after removing our magnolia we are finally getting something that resembles a lawn, but we constantly need to add fill as the lawn depresses where the roots have rotted out.

So my advice would be to get rid of the magnolia for you, not your neighbor. But you will get a double win since your neighbor will think you did it for her : ).

Actually I totally agree with this post. Magnolia Trees are basically junk trees usually in parks and wide-open spaces.

They really are terrible and you will wish in not too distant future that you did not plant the tree.

Bottom line poor choice of tree.

Get rid of it...before it cost you a bundle.

Excellent advice from the person who posted it.

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-19-2019 08:44 PM

Don't you need special approval to remove a tree? Under Florida law, you have to get an arborist to state that the tree is dangerous or diseased or something like that? I thought I read that somewhere, with some recent changes.

If that's the case, then the neighbor is already on pretty shaky ground with her complaint. If it's not the case - decide if you want the tree more than you want a peaceful cordial relationship with your neighbor. If you're willing to give up the tree, have her pay for the removal.

CFrance 12-19-2019 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1703256)
Don't you need special approval to remove a tree? Under Florida law, you have to get an arborist to state that the tree is dangerous or diseased or something like that? I thought I read that somewhere, with some recent changes.

If that's the case, then the neighbor is already on pretty shaky ground with her complaint. If it's not the case - decide if you want the tree more than you want a peaceful cordial relationship with your neighbor. If you're willing to give up the tree, have her pay for the removal.

I think if it's under a certain diameter trunk you need no permission to remove it.

Velvet 12-19-2019 09:24 PM

If you remove the tree to please your neighbor, what will her next request be? I agreed to an opaque fence up north where I had flowers and the rule is 6’ high at the back maximum. The neighbor put in an 8’ fence. When I didn’t complain, she made it 10’ high. She has a raised deck on her side, it is 6’ from her deck floor. Now I can only grow grass, I don’t mind as I am not up north all the time. But guess what my answer will be the next time she asks for anything.... And yes I know I can get it down to 6’ with just one call.

CFrance 12-19-2019 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1703265)
If you remove the tree to please your neighbor, what will her next request be? I agreed to an opaque fence up north where I had flowers and the rule is 6’ high at the back maximum. The neighbor put in an 8’ fence. When I didn’t complain, she made it 10’ high. She has a raised deck on her side, it is 6’ from her deck floor. Now I can only grow grass, I don’t mind as I am not up north all the time. But guess what my answer will be the next time she asks for anything.... And yes I know I can get it down to 6’ with just one call.

You can say no to any of her requests. I would think that what-if shouldn't enter into the equation. If I decided to accommodate a neighbor somehow and the neighbor then pushed for something else, that's when I would start saying no.

NavyVet 12-19-2019 10:42 PM

Though the flowers are beautiful, it is true the magnolia tree is messy and drops a lot of leaves. It should not be planted anywhere close to the house. I think honesty is the best policy. You checked with professionals, they told you there is no other safe spot in your yard, and therefore the tree should not be moved. Tell her that. You are not even next door. If one tree blocks her 'view' then it must have been a peekaboo view at best. What is the view of? Views are not guaranteed on any lot. Mother Nature has a way of changing things.
If you like your tree, keep your tree. No reason to feel guilty about anything. The neighbor will get over it... or she won't. Her problem.
Not your circus, not your monkeys. Enjoy your home and yard.

drrichard 12-20-2019 04:50 PM

Agree with removing/replacing the magnolia. We have one that we thought we loved, but it is now 14 years old, HUGE, and a CONSTANT MESS on our lawn. Put in a sabal palmetto or similar palm tree. Indestructible and not much trouble to maintain and not very messy!

pauld315 12-21-2019 06:37 PM

As long as you went through the ARC process to have your additional landscaping approved you have no worries

600th Photo Sq 12-21-2019 08:37 PM

You asked for advice about The Magnolia Tree and should you choose to ignore it so be it.

Honestly, it's a poor choice.

Rosebud2020 12-22-2019 12:43 AM

I agree with many posters who have recommended you tell your neighbor you would be happy to oblige her request if she will pay you for the cost of the Magnolia, the cost of planting it, the removal of the tree and then the cost of a newly planted tree (yet to be decided) which has a high canopy and a trunk that will not obliterate her view.

Kill her with kindness when you speak with her and be saccharine sweet! If she agrees with all this (yeah, right!) I would even up the cost of a new tree when you tell her how much it is with planting!

I'm sorry you have this kind of neighbor. BTW -- there are a number of dwarf, small, mini or whatever adjective you want to use, within the vast Magnolia family. They all are not necessarily huge trees but they all do tend to have a low canopy.

coffeebean 12-27-2019 05:12 PM

So many people have recommended to remove the Magnolia tree. Will the ARC allow a Magnolia tree to be removed if the trunk is larger than 6" in diameter? I thought trees that size will not be approved for removal unless they were dead.

Bogie Shooter 12-27-2019 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1705241)
So many people have recommended to remove the Magnolia tree. Will the ARC allow a Magnolia tree to be removed if the trunk is larger than 6" in diameter? I thought trees that size will not be approved for removal unless they were dead.

It’s. 4” .

tophcfa 12-27-2019 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1705241)
So many people have recommended to remove the Magnolia tree. Will the ARC allow a Magnolia tree to be removed if the trunk is larger than 6" in diameter? I thought trees that size will not be approved for removal unless they were dead.

We got ARC approval to remove ours, but it was not easy because the tree was not dead. We were denied the first attempt where we mailed in the application and could not attend the hearing. I resubmitted the application and attended the next hearing and after pleading my case we were granted approval. We were lucky that one of the ARC members also had an out of control Magnolia and convinced enough other members to allow removal on the condition that we have the stump ground and planted another approved "shade tree". Note that palm trees are not considered shade trees. We planted an "Eastern Palaka Holly" tree, which I prune back three times per year and I will never let it grow out of control.

600th Photo Sq 12-27-2019 08:08 PM

OK ...Lot's of advice, me being one to agree with a post.

Simple solution 5 yes ( 5 ) Brass Nails into the bottom of the said tree..approx 5-6 months later problem solved.

Best time After Midnight. Who Me?

tophcfa 12-27-2019 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq (Post 1705286)
OK ...Lot's of advice, me being one to agree with a post.

Simple solution 5 yes ( 5 ) Brass Nails into the bottom of the said tree..approx 5-6 months later problem solved.

Best time After Midnight. Who Me?

That will work. Or you can clear a little dirt from the base of the tree and drill a few holes in the sub-turain trunk and roots, pour a bunch of salt in the area including the holes you drilled, and cover it all back up with dirt. The tree will eventually die and you will get ARC approval to remove it. Just don't apply with ARC before doing this or it will raise concerns. Sometimes it is best to not ask.

maybe 12-27-2019 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by n8xwb (Post 1702845)
I haven't looked at the other replies, so if this has already been said, I apologize. If you can live without the tree and it isn't that important to you, you might consider offering to have it removed at her expense. That expense should also cover what you paid to have it planted too

That is what I was going to say.

TidalWalkers 12-28-2019 09:59 AM

If the ARC approved the planting, you have complied with the rule. This problem happens more often with interior lots which is why interior lots cost less. Explain to your neighbor your efforts to find a compromise without cost to you. However, the present situation is the best that can be done unless you want to be unhappy to make your neighbor happy. A recurring problem when living in close quarters.

Packer Fan 12-28-2019 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1703180)
There really are some great posts about keeping a friend or loosing one. About making or not making an enemy. At our age can we agree that many people are very principled?

If the VIEW is so important have the neighbor let you VIEW the $$Benjamins$$ to cover the compromise that you decide upon. It's not a regular compromise because it should be the neighbor who is feeling ALL the pain financially, not you, you did everything the correct way. Why should you be a people pleaser or uncomfortable? Many people would have told her to hit the bricks.

I have great neighbors, top drawer, fantastic people but there is only one that I would do this for and not accept a penny. If this person matters to you the way this one neighbor matter to me then maybe you have to adjust the plan and foot the bill and upset YOUR yard!

I have a similar situation actually. I have a "peek a boo" view of Evan's Prairie Marsh from my front Bedroom. 5 years ago when we moved in I asked my neighbor across the street (great people BTW) to just consider this view as they developed their property. I mentioned I of course understood it was well within their rights to do what they wanted, but it was just a neighborly request, and if they did something that blocked it, it would not affect our friendship. Sort of a preemtive strike of sorts. 5 years and they have done a LOT of upgrades and I still have a view. This is how to handle things the best way. Now, If I had not done this and the same situation as the OP posted had happened, I would be more than willing to pay for a change to his yard. I think that the best option here is the work with your neighbors, but make her pay to remove the tree. Personally, I would not replace it with anything, I think that would get you huge brownie points with not only her, but the whole neighborhood! Live the Golden rule here and treat others how you would like to be treated. That is how I feel. Some great advice has been given here. Good people in TV!
Ed

coffeebean 12-28-2019 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1705258)
It’s. 4” .

Oh my.....that's even worse!!!

coffeebean 12-28-2019 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1705264)
We got ARC approval to remove ours, but it was not easy because the tree was not dead. We were denied the first attempt where we mailed in the application and could not attend the hearing. I resubmitted the application and attended the next hearing and after pleading my case we were granted approval. We were lucky that one of the ARC members also had an out of control Magnolia and convinced enough other members to allow removal on the condition that we have the stump ground and planted another approved "shade tree". Note that palm trees are not considered shade trees. We planted an "Eastern Palaka Holly" tree, which I prune back three times per year and I will never let it grow out of control.

I'll never understand why the ARC can refuse removal of a tree that was planted by a homeowner. There are many instances where the homeowner makes a dreadful mistake with their choice of landscape and wants to remove it years later. The homeowner planted it so why can't they remove it without all these repercussions?

I know, I know.....we live here with rules and rules must be adhered to. Just vented and now I feel better.

coffeebean 12-28-2019 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq (Post 1705286)
OK ...Lot's of advice, me being one to agree with a post.

Simple solution 5 yes ( 5 ) Brass Nails into the bottom of the said tree..approx 5-6 months later problem solved.

Best time After Midnight. Who Me?

My brother-in-law said the same exact thing about the brass nails. Would the ARC demand a new tree be planted in place of a removed dead tree? Just wondering.

Rosebud2020 12-29-2019 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bmit16 (Post 1702976)
My 1st thought is why would anybody in a Villa want a Magnolia tree? The landscaper put one in our yard when the house was built. The 1st thing we did was dig it up. They are nice shade trees but they grow way to big for a Villa lot and they shed leaves and cone terribly. Who wants all that maintenance?

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1703152)
A Magnolia tree can reach 70-80 ft tall and a width of 30-40 ft. I would think several times before planting one in our small Village yards. No Landscaper worth his salt should recommend one for our yards. Even on the golf course it’s questionable. :MOJE_whot:

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Originally Posted by LoriAnn (Post 1703171)
Remove the tree and you’ll gain a life long friend. Keep the tree and you’ll gain a life long enemy that lives way too close. In my opinion, she’s doing you a favor. You’ll regret that tree in a few years.

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Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq (Post 1703239)
Actually I totally agree with this post. Magnolia Trees are basically junk trees usually in parks and wide-open spaces.

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It's very sad that so much bad information has been posted by unknowing or ignorant residents and the above comments are only a few of them.

Magnolia trees are not junk trees. They are prolific through the south and are beautiful trees. In addition, they are not inexpensive. Dirty? The dropped leaves are seriously easy to pick up! The main misconception is that they are all huge trees. Not so! Magnolias come in all sizes. Dwarf trees are available and would be suitable for smaller lots.

coffeebean 12-29-2019 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud2020 (Post 1705587)
It's very sad that so much bad information has been posted by unknowing or ignorant residents and the above comments are only a few of them.

Magnolia trees are not junk trees. They are prolific through the south and are beautiful trees. In addition, they are not inexpensive. Dirty? The dropped leaves are seriously easy to pick up! The main misconception is that they are all huge trees. Not so! Magnolias come in all sizes. Dwarf trees are available and would be suitable for smaller lots.

How large can a dwarf Magnolia tree become at maturity? How can you tell if a Magnolia tree is of the dwarf variety?

Bogie Shooter 12-29-2019 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1705608)
How large can a dwarf Magnolia tree become at maturity? How can you tell if a Magnolia tree is of the dwarf variety?

dwarf magnolia varieties - Bing


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