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The only eroding of laws are those that the USA refuses to enforce, especially those at the border.

In my whole life....living here is the first time I have ever heard anyone so antireligion. I know and love atheists and have in my life people of all faiths, some who practice and some who don't. I SEE all of the GOOD different churches do in their outreach programs, and I know that people who go to church aren't always "good". I believe in the separation of Church and State, but I personally think that religion is a solace and a good guiding force for most people. I struggle with faith myself and I know that not all men and women of the cloth are good examples, but most of them that I have known are. This coldness, and anti church sentiment troubles me and hurts me.

I didn't go to church today. I am no saint. I don't believe or accept or integrate all of the things that the institutional church has taught me but I like people who try to do better and be kinder and hang in there because of their religion. I would NEVER try to talk anyone into my faith. But I would NOT ever tear down someone's faith, no more than I would find it wrong they were born white and heterosexual or brown and homosexual. You ARE WHO you are and most of us struggle to be good, by the standards we believe in. It is better to have something rather than nothing.

And sometimes the nothingness leaps off the page on this forum.

[quote=44Ruger;903536][quote=njbchbum;903523]HL a dictator? Hobby Lobby founder has strong beliefs about abortion and doesn't want to pay for medications that aid in aborting a fetus, not in preventing conception. Founder David Green raised the minimum wage to $14/hr. in 2013 Green also joined the Gates-Buffett Giving Pledge in 2010, promising to donate half his wealth to good causes by the time he dies.

This question boiled down to religious liberty and RFRA considerations.
The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, was passed in 1993 by an overwhelmingly DEMOCRAT House and Senate, and signed into law by Clinton.
The SCOTUS merely upheld "established law" which did not allow any follow-on law, in this case 0bamaCare, to nullify that existing law.
In this ruling, women are not denied the contraception. Hobby Lobby does not have to pay for it on religious views. Women can go get it anywhere they want, like buy it themselves, perhaps at Target for $9/month. There were really only four drugs or abortifacients Hobby Lobby objected to. You could argue this case was about abortion, because Hobby Lobby objected to providing coverage for abortifacients - medications that would abort a fetus-something that's already conceived, as opposed to a preventative.
No female employee of Hobby Lobby is going to lose coverage of any medication, even after this ruling. Hobby Lobby’s insurance company will fill the gap in coverage left by the religious liberty exemption granted to the company, just like they do for churches and religious-affiliated non-profits

I agree with this post. Without the fear of god we would have even more criminals among us. My faith not only guides me in my day to day activities, it gives me peace during times of sorrow. This HL action will drive a wedge between the faithful and their trust in our laws. When religious values of one are forced on others, it drives them out of faith. Shame on HL for stirring up such a stink.

I am afraid not everyone has the same attitude as you do toward tolerance of religious values. As someone said, we need to continue to be a kinder and gentler nation. Almost all religions profess the concepts of being kind and helping our fellow man and that concept is not foreign to atheists as well. However, some of the devotees believe it is their duty to convert others to their religion. This can be as destructive as the Sunis of ISIS in the Middle East or as bothersome as someone distributing the Watchtower. Somewhere in between is HL decision.

Perfect comparison. It all comes down to this country being a democracy. HL can beleive what they want, but by law they cannot hold anything due the employee for the time the work there. This case from the start has been about forcing religious beliefs down the throat of everyone. Let everyone make decisions for themselves. HL is bullying their employees. If not afraid of the CEO that runs HL they at least protest or strike.

Didn't HL do just that - make their own decision? Or can one only make their own decision when it does not impact women/employees? And how is paying $14/hr bullying anyone?

I think this whole issue is based on emotions, not facts.

I give up - some folks are haters and hard headed! Man haters, Catholic haters, religion haters. Wanting to give entitlements to women, but not rights to private business owners afforded to them by law. Forget it - you're beating your head against the wall trying to make them understand. And so it goes...

Right once again. Hate is ugly. Getting people all stirred up causes hating feelings. Not helpful, and no one will change anyone's opinion. I am no different than anyone else in trying to make people see it my way.

It is a beautiful day in The Villages. I love a dramatic noisy storm and the hamburgers we just shared. It really is all good and getting all angry and unhappy isn't going to make anything better.

I am glad to be with all of you in this wonderful place.

I agree. I see a lot of haters here. It doesn't bring anyone together. I am not Catholic, I am not religious, I am not pro life. I am a woman who has fought hard for women's rights all of my life. I do believe we have lost all tolerance for anyone who believes differently. As a woman, I see no problem with this verdict. As I have said before...if this is a problem for YOU, don't work at HL. I just don't see this as the end of the world as some seem to say. What I do see is a lack of tolerance and understanding of our fellow human beings. We are all different and that is what makes us great. Please stop trying to make us all the same..whatever you think that sameness should be.

I like your reasonable approach. There are things people can do if they feel strongly against the HL decision. Make these products over the counter rather than prescription. A simple solution to Hobby Lobby outrage. Not sure there is a petition for this yet but my guess is that there will be one soon.

I have worked in a hospital since 1970. They have never covered birth control.

What rock did you climb out from under? You have not been hanging out with real men that is for sure! Thanks for the neanderthal stereotype there.

You evidently have not read many of the posts in this 18 page thread prior to posting...Hobby Lobby's objection was towards abortion drugs, not towards birth control drugs.

You attributed the wrong poster with the quote that you referenced. It was posted by Bonanza.

I agree, please Hobby Lobby, you are showing a lack of tolerance and understanding of your fellow human beings. We are all different and that is what makes us great. Please stop trying to make us all the same..whatever you think that sameness should be.

I love the smell of the rain and the wet grass this evening.

I apologize to Gomoho for that, I used the quote feature and that is what I ended up with.

Thank you, SCOTUS, for showing us that the law permits us tolerance of our beliefs.

Hobby Lobby Owner's Lack of Tolerance
 

That is the Golden Rule. The workers must tolerate Hobby Lobby owner's belief.
He who has the gold rules and forces them to tolerate the owners belief. There is no reciprocation by the owner.