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OhioBuckeye 11-02-2022 09:17 AM
Are utilities getting that expensive, that water must of been cold!

MandoMan 11-02-2022 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by augustnotes (Post 2153527)
My gosh at least one person spoke the truth.... where is your compassion? We all want to turn a blind eye on the homeless as it's not our problem. Call the police to get them removed.... do you every think that they may need help. I hope when Jesus looks into the people hearts that have disdain for the homeless that He does not find disdain for them. Who did Jesus look for to help? It was not the Pharisees, but the down trodden and the weak. What do we do as a society? Are we like the Pharisees and walk by with indifference to THOSE people. The best we can come up with is to call the authorities to get THOSE kind of people removed from our sight. Shame on you. Oh and yes there will be people tell me that there are places the homeless can go and get help, but isn't it each individuals responsible to help our neighbor? Jesus said to love your neighbor as your self. And who is your neighbor, I say anyone you meet is your neighbor. I am sure I will get a lot of hate mail for posting this, but come on people, step off your high horse and say thank you God that I am able to help the less fortunate.
While I agree with your post, I think I think society should deal with homelessness and not let people just roam around. There should be mental institutions where the mentally ill are kept medicated in dormitory situations with warmth, shelter, food, and clothing. There should be internment camps with clean and neat tiny houses with communal dining and washing facilities where the homeless who are not mentally ill but refuse to work live. Separate but similar camps for vets, where they can live with dignity and get the meds or treatment they need. Then it will be easier for the rest thrown out of housing by circumstances to get apartments and other help.

MrFlorida 11-02-2022 09:18 AM
Next time send your dog over to investigate.

Mortal1 11-02-2022 09:19 AM
There's always the "compassion" card played till it comes to your neighborhood. The water from these dog parks is paid for by our amenity fees. I already pay taxes to support the homeless and yet those in charge refuse to spend that tax money wisely. So instead of trying to guilt shame people and you care so much then contact your local politicians to do something about it.

It's a DOG park...not a personal bathroom for many who have chosen this lifestyle and get away with it due to some bleeding hearts in lieu of using common sense.

Vermilion Villager 11-02-2022 09:19 AM
I'm calling BEEEEE ESSSSS on the whole story.
I just called Community Standards and they have received no reports of people showering at any of the dog parks or anything like that. Given multiple people have asked on this forum and the OP (jimkerr) has not only refused to say where this happened, he has not made another post on this topic, I think we are all a victim of a Drive By for his entertainment........:swear:

ElDiabloJoe 11-02-2022 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2153464)
^ Exactly!!! James Q. Wilson's theory has been sound for decades now and should be elevated to a criminology law rather than merely a theory.

ElDiabloJoe 11-02-2022 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by kitnhead (Post 2153509)
If they are simply workers, then that will be discovered through the right channels (sheriffs, etc). This should be reported and I’m very glad the OP took pics.
We had a church in our former city that let the homeless sleep in their yard. Next thing you knew, they were right in front of our house and a home break-in at another residence resulted in a small dog being intentionally injured. It simply cannot be tolerated.
If you don't want the birds around, stop feeding the pigeons. You never see a skinny pigeon or one die of starvation do you? No, they go where they are fed. You don't want them here, stop feeding them. Vociferously boycott do-gooders and churches that insist on feeding them, don't give panhandlers money or food, etc. Stop feeding them - they will go away.

ElDiabloJoe 11-02-2022 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Wondering (Post 2153649)
If your point on the "Broken Window" theory, in relationship to the homeless people showering in the dog part, is that the police need to stop it or crime will increase, you're misguided. The solution is that the community/society needs to help the less fortunate among us, especially with what they/homeless have had to endure since the beginning of the pandemic. As soon as I read the Wikipedia source and it referenced Rudy Guiliani, I discounted the theory as not being legitimate.
You DO realize the author of the theory has been around quite a bit before Rudy ran NYC, right? Rudy used the theory to make NYC the safest and cleanest it had been since the 1950's, despite the exponentially increased population.

You discounting it simply because a name you don't like utilized it is the same as my ignoring my enjoyment of musical entertainment because I don't like Barbara Streisand. You have made a short-sighted decision and refused to objectively view the coin's two sides. You essentially made your decision based on "feeling" instead of "reason." Expand that mistake and you have the country we now "enjoy."

ThirdOfFive 11-02-2022 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os (Post 2153709)
Sadly there are more and more homeless people. As we sit comfortably in our air conditioned homes with running water and food on the table, let us not forget that we are blessed. Sometimes we forget that and forget that we could have been one of the homeless…think of those who lost their homes due to the hurricane. There but for the grace of God go I. And I agree with those that expressed the need for a bit of compassion. My humble opinion
I'm all for being blessed. But the reality is that just about all of us have gotten to where we are in life because we chose to bust our butts to get there.

Most of the homeless have gotten to where they are also because of their choices. But it's a pretty safe bet that very few if any of them included butt-busting as one of their choices.

Tyson 11-02-2022 09:56 AM
Thats what you get when you move into wildwood. Nothing like that would ever happen north of 466a.

Djean1981 11-02-2022 09:56 AM
Did anyone else see the situation?

Weiserj 11-02-2022 09:57 AM
Maybe you should move to a city like Seattle where the woods, overpasses and streets are full broken rvs and dangerous camps of filthy trash and needles. The city has tried everything to clean up and nothing has worked. The people refuse help and don’t want to live under rules and curfews. The city, like many other sanctuary cities, has turned into a hell hole. Finally left and I’m gonna fight to not let Florida become the same!!

NoMoSno 11-02-2022 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2153724)
I'm calling BEEEEE ESSSSS on the whole story.
I just called Community Standards and they have received no reports of people showering at any of the dog parks or anything like that. Given multiple people have asked on this forum and the OP (jimkerr) has not only refused to say where this happened, he has not made another post on this topic, I think we are all a victim of a Drive By for his entertainment........:swear:
He posted the info in post #40

Toymeister 11-02-2022 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Djean1981 (Post 2153748)
Did anyone else see the situation?
It's been reported here before, in the past 90 days. Often it is told that "joggers" are showering at the dog park. It's not joggers.

Lillyangel 11-02-2022 10:29 AM
Post your address so they can shower at your house

Villagevip 11-02-2022 10:43 AM
Just call Skip Smith, he will be on it.... : )

MrLonzo 11-02-2022 10:43 AM
This whole thread is very disturbing. I'm considering moving to TV to escape California and its rampant homeless problem. But it's sounding like the Villages is becoming infected with the same issues that have destroyed California. Please -- NIP IT IN THE BUD!!!!!

jimbomaybe 11-02-2022 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2153647)
Um, wakey-wakey?????
We have shelters, they won't utilize them
The medical they need is anti-psychotics, neuroleptics, SSRI/SNRIs and lithium-----they won't take them
And while I suspect most will take food, some embrace the lifestyle and so I'll quote Dr. Alan Grant from "Jurassic Park"-----"Velociraptor doesn't want to be fed, he wants to hunt"

as far as the OP goes, "No compassion shown here by the OP"---I suspect that person would be willing to show some compassion, just NOT HERE
You are right, it can be demonstrated by efforts in the past, yet we will always hear compassioned suggestions, some more fanciful solutions than others all ignoring the "problem", that being the homeless themselves, they are not functional in the commonly understood term, yet legally sane, but not necessarily so, not necessarily safe and not sober if given any alternative, the problem is not lacking a way out, but the lack of willingness/ability to do so on the part of the chronically homeless

Taltarzac725 11-02-2022 10:51 AM
I have lived here in the Villages since 2005 and rarely have seen any homeless people except near Walmart on US 441/27 at various times. As well as once in a great while I see a family with a sign asking for money near Southern Trace or elsewhere.

As the Villages has expanded a great deal it might encroach on places the homeless have taken up over the years.

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mortal1 (Post 2153723)
There's always the "compassion" card played till it comes to your neighborhood. The water from these dog parks is paid for by our amenity fees. I already pay taxes to support the homeless and yet those in charge refuse to spend that tax money wisely. So instead of trying to guilt shame people and you care so much then contact your local politicians to do something about it.

It's a DOG park...not a personal bathroom for many who have chosen this lifestyle and get away with it due to some bleeding hearts in lieu of using common sense.
I believe it was "Field of Dreams"----"If you build it, they will come"

Gulfcoast 11-02-2022 11:07 AM
Since when is allowing human beings to shower in the middle of an open dog park and act of compassion? Those people should be directed to a homeless shelter where they can be treated with some amount of dignity.

Taltarzac725 11-02-2022 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2153782)
I believe it was "Field of Dreams"----"If you build it, they will come"
SOZO KIDS - Home

It looks like there are about 45,000 people without homes up in the Ocala Forest. The Villages Daily Sun has done a lot of articles on them and people who are helping them in some way.

manaboutown 11-02-2022 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2153778)
As the Villages has expanded a great deal it might encroach on places the homeless have taken up over the years.
"Encroachment
A real estate situation where property owners unlawfully enter, extend, or build onto their neighbor’s land"

From: Encroachment - Overview, Forms, Examples, How To Avoid

The homeless living on land owned by The Villages and/or Villages residents are trespassing on property owned by others and in which they have no ownership rights unless they acquired them through adverse possession. Only then could they be encroached upon.

GATORBILL66 11-02-2022 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Carlsondm (Post 2153515)
Where is your compassion. It is hot in Florida. Did you ask if they were overheating or ok? As a runner I appreciate the water placed around the villages for us. If they do it frequently, then I would ask if they are ok and what village they are from. You may be surprised.
Please post your address, so we can redirect them to your house.

Lea N 11-02-2022 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by augustnotes (Post 2153527)
My gosh at least one person spoke the truth.... where is your compassion? We all want to turn a blind eye on the homeless as it's not our problem. Call the police to get them removed.... do you every think that they may need help. I hope when Jesus looks into the people hearts that have disdain for the homeless that He does not find disdain for them. Who did Jesus look for to help? It was not the Pharisees, but the down trodden and the weak. What do we do as a society? Are we like the Pharisees and walk by with indifference to THOSE people. The best we can come up with is to call the authorities to get THOSE kind of people removed from our sight. Shame on you. Oh and yes there will be people tell me that there are places the homeless can go and get help, but isn't it each individuals responsible to help our neighbor? Jesus said to love your neighbor as your self. And who is your neighbor, I say anyone you meet is your neighbor. I am sure I will get a lot of hate mail for posting this, but come on people, step off your high horse and say thank you God that I am able to help the less fortunate.
Very well said. I agree with you completely.

Smalley 11-02-2022 12:02 PM
The vast majority of the homeless population are addicted to drugs and/or alcohol or have serious mental illness. These people are not "down on their luck". The addicts need detoxification but they have to be motivated to do it. The mentally ill need medical help.

Taltarzac725 11-02-2022 12:19 PM
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...forest-244761/

I remember this thread from 2017.

airstreamingypsy 11-02-2022 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2153688)
Yeah, ok. Let’s just wait awhile. Oh, and does anyone out there with an extra bedroom willing to put up a couple of the homeless for a few nights???
Why do people make such silly childish comments? "Bring them home" "What's your address" "Put up the homeless for a few nights" Seriously, people can be empathetic for people's plight without bringing them home. grow up.

manaboutown 11-02-2022 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2153809)
Why do people make such silly childish comments? "Bring them home" "What's your address" "Put up the homeless for a few nights" Seriously, people can be empathetic for people's plight without bringing them home. grow up.
It seems to me these are "Put up or shut up." statements.

BTW, the vast majority of the homeless are leading feral lives by choice, choosing to leech off the misguided good will of bleeding hearts as well as by theft and other crimes. Frankly I do not feel sorry for these "homeless". I despise them.

NNELSON 11-02-2022 12:35 PM
I must be misunderstanding
 
As horrifically misguided as this society is, surely homeless people are not begrudged use of the water and hose as the DOG PARK!!!

Caymus 11-02-2022 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2153809)
Why do people make such silly childish comments? "Bring them home" "What's your address" "Put up the homeless for a few nights" Seriously, people can be empathetic for people's plight without bringing them home. grow up.

How are you personally solving the problem?

manaboutown 11-02-2022 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NNELSON (Post 2153814)
As horrifically misguided as this society is, surely homeless people are not begrudged use of the water and hose as the DOG PARK!!!
OK. What would be the cut off number of homeless allowed to use the hose on a daily basis? 3? 30? 300?

What about the seniors who want to take their dogs to the park? At what what point will they feel uncomfortable or threatened?

When will the homeless start leaving their needles, trash and human waste in the grass and the facilities?

When will the panhandling start?

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 12:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2153817)
OK. What would be the cut off number of homeless allowed to use the hose on a daily basis? 3? 30? 300?

What about the seniors who want to take their dogs to the park? At what what point will they feel uncomfortable or threatened?

When will the homeless start leaving their needles, trash and human waste in the grass and the facilities?

When will the panhandling start?
And don't forget the times people bring their 8 year old granddaughter to the dog park

Trespassing is trespassing, and it is a crime. Let's not start selectively enforcing the law, it's a slippery slope

DeirdreFoster 11-02-2022 01:01 PM
Leave the situation to the professional's
 
I was told at one point by a group that works with the homeless to not give them anything other than water. Money or other items take away from the work they are trying to provide in getting them off the streets. Do not be an enabler but give them the location of the services they need. Let the professional's work their magic.
This, in my opinion works for either side of the discussion.

golfing eagles 11-02-2022 01:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2153809)
Why do people make such silly childish comments? "Bring them home" "What's your address" "Put up the homeless for a few nights" Seriously, people can be empathetic for people's plight without bringing them home. grow up.
This may come as a shock, but it's the incredibly naive and ignorant do-gooders that want to mollycoddle these losers that need to grow up. In the real world, no good can come from harboring them in our community---and the less hospitable we make it, the quicker they will seek greener pastures. I would want community watch and the sheriff's dept. to harass them at every opportunity and arrest them for the slightest violations. Word will get around and they'll be gone. It's no different than being aware you didn't speed through Jessup, Georgia in the 60's -80's. I think the pictures posted above tell the story.

But for those that still don't get it, the "childish" offer to suggest they take them in stands.

BettyInFL 11-02-2022 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2153493)
Hopefully they used some flea shampoo and are current on their hookworm medication! Did you toss them a couple of milk bones?
Ouch!! Just spit my Tea on the computer screen!..

Gulfcoast 11-02-2022 01:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NNELSON (Post 2153814)
As horrifically misguided as this society is, surely homeless people are not begrudged use of the water and hose as the DOG PARK!!!
The homeless should not be showering in the dog park. Period.

Allowing them to do so is not compassion. That is enabling.

Byte1 11-02-2022 01:20 PM
I hope the dogs in the area were not offended.

Taltarzac725 11-02-2022 01:43 PM
I picture someone throwing a water bowl full of water over their head many times.

Bitsee 11-02-2022 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os (Post 2153709)
Sadly there are more and more homeless people. As we sit comfortably in our air conditioned homes with running water and food on the table, let us not forget that we are blessed. Sometimes we forget that and forget that we could have been one of the homeless…think of those who lost their homes due to the hurricane. There but for the grace of God go I. And I agree with those that expressed the need for a bit of compassion. My humble opinion
Ummmm....Excuse ME....but I worked very hard for 32 years to be able to obtain this " Comfortable Lifestyle " to which you are now condemning us for, how dare you !!!!

We pay dearly to maintain this standard of living here , make no mistake.
And you want me to now share it with some vagrant(s) who have no work ethics !?!

And FYI ~ the Lord has absolutely nothing to do with this Homeless issue.

If you so called compassionate folks are so concerned about the homeless.... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT YOURSELVES !!!
Pool your retirement funds and approach a church outside the gates and set up temporary housing for them. Take in clothing donations , food donations, etc....you get the picture people.
STOP flapping your gums, HELP them , and stop condemning GOOD people such as myself !!!

And just for the record I rescue helpless animals and that is my passion which I support with all my heart and hard earned dollars.


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