Yes my parents had a seasonal home half a block from Mr Schwartz and knew him well. He was a good businessman and liked to make people happy, he talked about a community and he never talked about a vision of prostituting homes out to fly by nighters.

You mean the guy who died in 2003 didn’t consider the company that wasn’t founded until five years later in 2008? What kind of businessman was he?

Honestly, I wonder if the person responsible for turning a trailer park and swampland into the Villages wouldn’t have jumped right onto the Airbnb bandwagon and encouraged it. Fresh faces and fresh ideas to help sell properties.

I think he liked to make money, but he had a bottom line. He knew people at the square (there was only one) by name and he liked it that way. But that is just my impression.

Then assume you don't have any close to you. I personally know of several bad experiences in neighborhoods when Gen x and Gen z come to party.

I have several rentals near me. If not for the occasional For Rent sign in the garage window I would hardly notice. I definitely notice the full time person who is too cheap to hire a lawn service and too lazy to keep up with their overgrown lawn. I also notice another, different full time person on the corner with a yippie dog polluting the street with noise constantly. I only wish they were transient.

Do you know about these situations first hand, in your neighborhood or are they legends of The Villages driving a fear?

For me, I hear a lot of noise about this and amenity abuse and very little first hand or evidential accounts. More a friend of a friend in XYZ neighborhood on the rental side and "You just know they aren't residents..." on the amenity side. I tend to think these are overblown.

Having said all of that, I wouldn't find a 1 month minimum to be too restrictive and would have still bought if it were one of the restrictions.

So, in other words, that post suggests that all those who posted about living next to a nightmare rental and all those that have witnessed non-residents using our amenities are lying? Confused? Demented? Hallucinating? Maybe, I've never seen it either. But the preponderance of evidence suggests that it is happening, and perhaps more extensive than reported. Regardless, steps can be taken to make sure it NEVER happens.

When I moved into my neighborhood (near Sumter Landing), I couldn't see any rentals from my front yard, now I can see 4. 3 of the 4 homes I can see from my front door, are rentals. 3 "daily rentals" and one long term, directly across from me.

They all detract from the neighborhood, but none as significantly as the "long term rental", that is rented to a Villages' employee and was part of her "relocation package". The renter is under 55, as is her new boyfriend who's moved in, along with frequently visiting, partying children. 2 younger, working families (in this case) can be far more disruptive.

UPS every day. Fedex every day. Amazon, at least twice day. Dry cleaning dropped off and picked up twice a week. Uber Eats, every day. Swapping cars around every day, because there's only room for 1 in the garage. Landscapers, mowers, house cleaners. The house is like Grand Central Station. Perfectly reasonable in a traditional neighborhood, not what I bought into, when I bought in a 55+ retirement community.

There are days when you can barely drive into the neighborhood, with all the cars parked on the street.

I'm not suggesting anyone is lying or that I've seen all of the information or stories.

My point is, I'm not seeing a lot of people post about living next to nightmare rentals or them witnessing non-residents using the amenities. Both of which I'm sure happen in some degree. What I continually see though are those who recount stories they heard of nightmare daily rentals and people who see people that "must not be residents" or "I can't imagine they are residents". I see you speaking about a preponderance of hearsay and not actual experience.

What I have is actual, personal experience of residents being bad neighbors while the rentals are not. I have experience of always being able to do the things at rec centers that I would like to do. The sky isn't falling in my Villages world. The current rule set is fine by me.

And that's OK. Doesn't affect me either. But those that have to deal with it feel differently.

If you haven’t seen any of these goings on, you must be in a Village I’ve never heard of. You are very lucky, stay there. I live next door to a revolving door. Usually 4 cars parked in the driveway and during college break the street is taken over. So a lot of shuffling since both parents still work too. They do try to be considerate but it’s like living next to a college dormitory. And it is not as bad as the designated rental houses.

As for outsiders, I remember months in the winter when every chair was taken at the neighborhood pool and there might have been a couple there who were actual residents. When IDs were checked half of them disappeared only to sneak back in the next day. Why are we paying amenity fees?

So exactly, how many examples would you like? Documented videos too?

I live in Hillsborough, just a bit north of Brownwood and east of Eisenhower Rec Center. I have experienced bad neighbors but not bad renters. I have been able to get into every activity that I attempted (though many are outside Hillsborough). While we don't tape or tattoo our IDs to our foreheads, I have seen no one that is clearly not a resident or guest at our pools.

Hillsborough is a big place and I just occupy a small corner. There could very well be a bad renter somewhere or one of the several pools may have had some non-residents, non-guests in it at one time. Incidents happen for sure, but they seem to be the exception and not the rule.

And hey, if there is a pool that is constantly overrun then I would be all for putting a dedicated person there to check IDs. If there is a house that constantly has a problem with excessive noise or trash then I would be all for reporting them to the appropriate authorities (noise->Sheriff, trash->Community Standards).

It’s really easy to tell when they are teens and early 20’s in the neighborhood pool, when they throw peanut shells under their chairs and tables and leave a great mess behind them when the garbage can is just a couple of feet away, when they sneak away whenever they see the checker show up… and that is just at the pool. People have been reporting, and reporting and reporting.

Part of the problem seems to be is that the landlord may vet the actual renters, but then they let in their kids and their kids friends etc and if you report you are constantly at war. This is not why one retires to a basically retirement community.

I think, like with other things, when people break the law, there should be fines. People should not be allowed to sneak out of the pools, for example, they should be caught and fined.

So are you describing a nightmare from an actual resident, or renters next door? I honestly can't tell and I *think* it's a full time resident. If it is, you are making my point. Neighbors can be difficult sometimes and it isn't exclusively or even mostly those that are renters.

Maybe they were residents or those with bonafide guest passes from your neighbors. I'm paying amenity fees to use the amenities and I'm able to do that.

I don't have a particular number, but I think your examples pushed me more toward my current way of thinking than away from it.

You are really trying desperately aren’t you? Throw stuff around to see if anything sticks?

I know all my neighbors and we do activities together, golf, Mah Jongg, walks etc etc. they introduce me to their guests and children who are welcome. We have a close community, any resident moving in is invited and it is up to them how much they want to socialize, but they know they are welcome. This includes their doggies.

Can you think of something else?

Sorry Velvet, I think you're seeing something in my posts that I'm not intending. I'm asking, on the situation you describe above, with the revolving door and the cars where they are trying but both parents work. Are they residents or renters? I really couldn't tell from your post.