[PoolBrews]

No. One. Cares.

[PrudentLifer]

Originally Posted by lrvalley

No. One. Cares.

Many. People. Do.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..." [emoji527]
George Orwell

[PennBF]

Regarding a response to my note. I hope no one thought that was an endorsement to any other drug. If so that was a real reading ability problem as the message was totally against ANY drug regardless what it is!!

[PrudentLifer]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Regarding a response to my note. I hope no one thought that was an endorsement to any other drug. If so that was a real reading ability problem as the message was totally against ANY drug regardless what it is!!

Ability rather than comprehend, I like that.

[Ben Franklin]

Opinions don't matter, unless they're backed up with facts. I haven't seen facts being bantered around in this string. Marijuana is much less dangerous than alcohol, both are a drug, but we never discuss alcohol as a drug, because it's socially accepted.

Which Is More Dangerous: Alcohol or Drugs? | Psychology Today

Marijuana is federally illegal, because it's not based on facts or science, but because the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Harry Anslinger, needed more to justify his job. Prior to 1937 marijuana was legal in the US.

The man behind the marijuana ban for all the wrong reasons - CBS News

Marijuana research: Aside from the $10 million a day we give to Israel, the NIH has been subsidizing marijuana research in Israel for over 50 years. Today, thanks to our tax dollars, Israeli citizens have the best medical marijuana system in the world, while our government lies to us about the lack of marijuana research. Israel has also decriminalized marijuana.

The Outsourcing of American Marijuana Research

Maybe facts will help people decide.

[PrudentLifer]

And the beat goes on.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

Opinions don't matter, unless they're backed up with facts. I haven't seen facts being bantered around in this string. Marijuana is much less dangerous than alcohol, both are a drug, but we never discuss alcohol as a drug, because it's socially accepted.

Which Is More Dangerous: Alcohol or Drugs? | Psychology Today

Marijuana is federally illegal, because it's not based on facts or science, but because the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Harry Anslinger, needed more to justify his job. Prior to 1937 marijuana was legal in the US.

The man behind the marijuana ban for all the wrong reasons - CBS News

Marijuana research: Aside from the $10 million a day we give to Israel, the NIH has been subsidizing marijuana research in Israel for over 50 years. Today, thanks to our tax dollars, Israeli citizens have the best medical marijuana system in the world, while our government lies to us about the lack of marijuana research. Israel has also decriminalized marijuana.

The Outsourcing of American Marijuana Research

Maybe facts will help people decide.

Even with facts, stats and proof, some people can't get past the stigma associated with Cannabis. Its honestly shocking the poll is 30% that would try if made federally legal. Add the 20-30% already using some form of Cannabis including Hemp derivatives around here, it will become the new norm.

Israel is so advanced as far as research and acceptance goes is insane. My wife and I flew there monthly for a year during her BC treatment. They formulated a pure Delta 8 product along with CBG (counter acts the high) and CBDN. Never once sick and 110% better then ever. Also without the need for hormone therapy and other big pharma crap.

[PennBF]

As stated in a previous note it was just time before someone started with marijuana is better than alcohol and lo and behold here it is. Next thrust in supporting marijuana is where are the facts? If a user wants to use and justify marijuana one of the illrational basis they use is that one. First: both are drugs!. Second: there is a host of documented facts relative to the impact of marijuana usage on youth under 18. Third: There are loads of documented facts regarding it being a "gateway" drug. Fourth: To gain a better understanding attend one of the Narc Anonymous meetings in the Villages. I have never used a "Drug" to spice up my life and at this age I don't intend to start. Given this I still have been exposed to some of the impacts through knowledge, treatment experts and some who have suffered from its usage, etc. Every time i read or hear someone try to make light of a drug or influence our youth with the rationalizing that it is OK I feel compelled to speak up.

[PrudentLifer]

Originally Posted by PennBF

As stated in a previous note it was just time before someone started with marijuana is better than alcohol and lo and behold here it is. Next thrust in supporting marijuana is where are the facts? If a user wants to use and justify marijuana one of the illrational basis they use is that one. First: both are drugs!. Second: there is a host of documented facts relative to the impact of marijuana usage on youth under 18. Third: There are loads of documented facts regarding it being a "gateway" drug. Fourth: To gain a better understanding attend one of the Narc Anonymous meetings in the Villages. I have never used a "Drug" to spice up my life and at this age I don't intend to start. Given this I still have been exposed to some of the impacts through knowledge, treatment experts and some who have suffered from its usage, etc. Every time i read or hear someone try to make light of a drug or influence our youth with the rationalizing that it is OK I feel compelled to speak up.

STOP. Logic is not logical. [emoji16]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by PennBF

As stated in a previous note it was just time before someone started with marijuana is better than alcohol and lo and behold here it is. Next thrust in supporting marijuana is where are the facts? If a user wants to use and justify marijuana one of the illrational basis they use is that one. First: both are drugs!. Second: there is a host of documented facts relative to the impact of marijuana usage on youth under 18. Third: There are loads of documented facts regarding it being a "gateway" drug. Fourth: To gain a better understanding attend one of the Narc Anonymous meetings in the Villages. I have never used a "Drug" to spice up my life and at this age I don't intend to start. Given this I still have been exposed to some of the impacts through knowledge, treatment experts and some who have suffered from its usage, etc. Every time i read or hear someone try to make light of a drug or influence our youth with the rationalizing that it is OK I feel compelled to speak up.

It would probably have been more instructive, and less opinionated, if you had directly quoted the post you are referring to. Alcohol IS a drug. It is just socially accepted.

The studies you refer to, do you have any you can share? You do know that, not just anyone can do studies in the US, without government approval. And no one said anything about those under 18 using any drugs. Legal or not, they are going to do it, however. In my high school, back before marijuana, about 80% of the class got boozed up on the weekends. I didn't have my first drink until I was about 23. Today, I like a couple of glasses of wine with my dinner.

Since our taxes paid for all the research in Israel, perhaps you can start here. Maybe you'll find the research you're looking for.

Google Scholar

[PrudentLifer]

As a child it took me many years before I fully understood what my father often told me. " Never trust a man who doesn't drink." He also told me, " never go out into the rain without first wearing your rubbers." Both sage advice which I've passed onto my sons. [emoji16]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[eyc234]

Question: Are we talking medical use of marijuana or recreational get stoned? Medical use without stoned, in a non smoking ingestion, controlled by medical personnel? Do not know the answer to this but how many other chemicals are ingested when you smoke dope? Would also ask the comparison of one beer to smoking one joint. One beer can drive and have no physical impairment. One joint of the now much stronger marijuana today, are you impaired to the point of not being safe in a car or any vehicle or machinery? For me drinking a glass of wine with dinner is not for getting drunk, relaxed or impaired. From what have seen one joint is for getting stoned thus impaired.

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by PrudentLifer

As a child it took me many years before I fully understood what my father often told me. " Never trust a man who doesn't drink." He also told me, " never go out into the rain without first wearing your rubbers." Both sage advice which I've passed onto my sons. [emoji16]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

My father told me, "not to speak, unless I had the facts." He also said, "I don't care what others are saying, use your own voice." Lots of sage advice from our fathers.

[PrudentLifer]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

My father told me, "not to speak, unless I had the facts." He also said, "I don't care what others are saying, use your own voice." Lots of sage advice from our fathers.

Those I learned from my mother. [emoji846]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Evidence that cannabis is less dangerous than alcohol (notice I don't say better, safer, healthier, superior to, etc. I specify "less dangerous" intentionally):

From the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, a government website:

An estimated 88,0008 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women8) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States.

That's 88 thousand people JUST in the USA.

Perhaps a thousand people die yearly, worldwide, as a direct result of use or abuse of THC and/or the Cannabis plant.

Cannabis, in particular the chemical component THC, is used legally and medically with prescription to treat the side effects of cancer treatment. Marinol is one such prescription.
Consumable (only ethyl) alcohol has zero approved medical use, except as a base for actual medicine (such as Nyquil and other elixers).

According to the CDC (another government website), "death" isn't even on the list of health risks for use of cannabis. But there is an entire website for the government dedicated to health effects of alcohol (see above).

Whether or not someone "would" use cannabis at some point if it was made legal, would depend entirely on that person, in each person's circumstances. You might say "never ever ever! today, and be stricken with cancer next week and beg for a Marinol prescription.

In addition, you might say "never ever ever it's so bad horrible bad!" to cannabis, while sucking down your fifth martini of the day and it isn't even suppertime yet.

I wouldn't worry too much about Judgey McJudgester the Internet-Armchair Opinion-Talker.