And the beat goes on.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Even with facts, stats and proof, some people can't get past the stigma associated with Cannabis. Its honestly shocking the poll is 30% that would try if made federally legal. Add the 20-30% already using some form of Cannabis including Hemp derivatives around here, it will become the new norm.

Israel is so advanced as far as research and acceptance goes is insane. My wife and I flew there monthly for a year during her BC treatment. They formulated a pure Delta 8 product along with CBG (counter acts the high) and CBDN. Never once sick and 110% better then ever. Also without the need for hormone therapy and other big pharma crap.

As Predicted
 

As stated in a previous note it was just time before someone started with marijuana is better than alcohol and lo and behold here it is. Next thrust in supporting marijuana is where are the facts? If a user wants to use and justify marijuana one of the illrational basis they use is that one. First: both are drugs!. Second: there is a host of documented facts relative to the impact of marijuana usage on youth under 18. Third: There are loads of documented facts regarding it being a "gateway" drug. Fourth: To gain a better understanding attend one of the Narc Anonymous meetings in the Villages. I have never used a "Drug" to spice up my life and at this age I don't intend to start. Given this I still have been exposed to some of the impacts through knowledge, treatment experts and some who have suffered from its usage, etc. Every time i read or hear someone try to make light of a drug or influence our youth with the rationalizing that it is OK I feel compelled to speak up.:ohdear:

STOP. Logic is not logical. [emoji16]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

It would probably have been more instructive, and less opinionated, if you had directly quoted the post you are referring to. Alcohol IS a drug. It is just socially accepted.

The studies you refer to, do you have any you can share? You do know that, not just anyone can do studies in the US, without government approval. And no one said anything about those under 18 using any drugs. Legal or not, they are going to do it, however. In my high school, back before marijuana, about 80% of the class got boozed up on the weekends. I didn't have my first drink until I was about 23. Today, I like a couple of glasses of wine with my dinner.

Since our taxes paid for all the research in Israel, perhaps you can start here. Maybe you'll find the research you're looking for.

Google Scholar

How many WOULD use Marijuana if it was legal
 

As a child it took me many years before I fully understood what my father often told me. " Never trust a man who doesn't drink." He also told me, " never go out into the rain without first wearing your rubbers." Both sage advice which I've passed onto my sons. [emoji16]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Question: Are we talking medical use of marijuana or recreational get stoned? Medical use without stoned, in a non smoking ingestion, controlled by medical personnel? Do not know the answer to this but how many other chemicals are ingested when you smoke dope? Would also ask the comparison of one beer to smoking one joint. One beer can drive and have no physical impairment. One joint of the now much stronger marijuana today, are you impaired to the point of not being safe in a car or any vehicle or machinery? For me drinking a glass of wine with dinner is not for getting drunk, relaxed or impaired. From what have seen one joint is for getting stoned thus impaired.

My father told me, "not to speak, unless I had the facts." He also said, "I don't care what others are saying, use your own voice." Lots of sage advice from our fathers.

Those I learned from my mother. [emoji846]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Evidence that cannabis is less dangerous than alcohol (notice I don't say better, safer, healthier, superior to, etc. I specify "less dangerous" intentionally):

From the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, a government website:
That's 88 thousand people JUST in the USA.

Perhaps a thousand people die yearly, worldwide, as a direct result of use or abuse of THC and/or the Cannabis plant.

Cannabis, in particular the chemical component THC, is used legally and medically with prescription to treat the side effects of cancer treatment. Marinol is one such prescription.
Consumable (only ethyl) alcohol has zero approved medical use, except as a base for actual medicine (such as Nyquil and other elixers).

According to the CDC (another government website), "death" isn't even on the list of health risks for use of cannabis. But there is an entire website for the government dedicated to health effects of alcohol (see above).

Whether or not someone "would" use cannabis at some point if it was made legal, would depend entirely on that person, in each person's circumstances. You might say "never ever ever! today, and be stricken with cancer next week and beg for a Marinol prescription.

In addition, you might say "never ever ever it's so bad horrible bad!" to cannabis, while sucking down your fifth martini of the day and it isn't even suppertime yet.

I wouldn't worry too much about Judgey McJudgester the Internet-Armchair Opinion-Talker.

How many WOULD use Marijuana if it was legal
 

It's not as if these 88 thousand people died immediately after taking a swig! The real danger is how many of the walking dead, aka the brain fried tokesters,are living among us.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Fewer than brain-fried alcoholics.

Remember Reefer Madness was a propaganda film from 1936. Actual science has debunked the propaganda. Cannabis is one of THE most studied plants, and THC one of THE most researched drugs, ever. Contrary to other propaganda that would want you to believe otherwise.

You can find thousands of studies on each right online, or in your local library, or in any medical library.

How many WOULD use Marijuana if it was legal
 

I have no desire to learn about something I don't care about. My life's experience has proven I can detect a pothead from the first 5 minutes of conversation. So, either these people have similar personalities or their brains are affected in a similar way.
Bottom line. I would not fight side by side with a pothead, but I would with an alcoholic. Potheads can't be trusted.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Expierence
 

Two in the family have a long history of treating addicts who were on Coke, Meth, Heron, Oxycontin, Alcohol, Marijuana, Co Dependency, etc. If you want the facts regarding drugs you may want to earn the right to understand them by doing some work. I don't intend to do it for those too lazy to do it for themselves. If the individual does the homework it may help them to understand the threat to their bodies and mind and cause them to go for help. These are family illnesses. A village AA or NA is a great place to start. If you don't study the problem then you really don't want to get better and have little concern for those around you who experience the impact of your abuse. Go to the internet and look up "Villages AA and NA Meetings" and you will be surprised how many are available for you to attend. Also, Ala Non for those who are living with an addict. It is a great gift to yourself and for the family Ala Non is a great gift to themselves. :ho:

I would hope you could see the flaw in that “logic”. I did’t think so.

You could well be right about those you judged to be potheads, although it’s not certain at all. But all those other folks you’ve met in your life’s experience...you don’t have a clue.

During my working days..The 420 crowd were ready to work everyday..The bottle bunch were unable till about noon

Geez, where do you draw the line? Look at everything you wrote above. Each and every one is a formulation made with Chemistry, oh except Marijuana!!! Its a damn plant, like a carrot,sage, orchids etc....

Or is it about the addiction argument?
If so do you consider constant message board posting some form of addiction. I do know they have programs for that as well. Here would be an example:

"A Debate Troll
Someone who loves a good argument. They can take a great, thoroughly researched and fact-based piece of content, and come at it from all opposing discussion angles to challenge its message.

They believe they're right, and everyone else is wrong. You'll often also find them leaving long threads or arguments with other commenters in community comment sections, and they're always determined to have the last word – continuing to comment until that other user gives up"

Think you need to stop stereo typing so broadly and think Cannabis users are non productive people, who will be snorting coke, or injecting meth because they use or try MJ. Using me as a example who used to enjoy smoking back in the day, just decided to not really indulge anymore and was simple to just stop. No Clinics or AAA simply because its not near as addictive as you think. Also if you want to judge success from a ex "STONER" you would be shocked of what I have accomplished and I bet million others!!!!!

In conclusion, I think I'll go out in the garden a pick some fresh basil and sage to flavor my freshly caught wahoo. I hope while cooking it does not get me "HIGH" cuz plants are very very bad!

Cheers

Remember when the gov was experimenting with brain washing
Wonder how that worked out?..Bet theirs a few subjects still around

Was? As in past tense, lol.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

One thing we all have in common now in regards to this thread. Advertisers along with AI data science is now targeting us as needing grow equipment lol. I have now seen lights, greenhouses and Scott’s miracle grow.

Too bad we don't have basements, lol


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Years ago I knew a long time AA member who ran sober living and halfway houses. He could observe a substance abuser's attire, demeanor, state of hygiene, behavior and speech for a few minutes and determine just what the individual was on or had been using. Marijuana, alcohol, painkillers, heroin, meth, cocaine, whatever. I found it remarkable but he proved to be correct every time.

Marijuana breathalyzer are on their way! Yay! Access Denied

Link worked for me. It is for the Sacramento Bee.

Excellent. Drunks have always been getting the short end of the stick.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Hopefully they develop a common sense/judgement impermanent test as well. Probably do a lot more good!

Use an adblocker and you won't see any of those ads. There are some for cell phones, as well as laptops, android tablets, desktops.

The only ads I ever see on this website are the ones that companies post in the sponsored ads section of the forum.

Shoot the Messenger
 

Now the messenger should be shot and because someone was successful in stopping being a druggy all drugs are fine.
Or "it;s just a plant". REALLY. Or challenging usage of a drug in more than one note indicates "posting addition". The logic being used in this rationalization is not worth help. It would be good humor except for the sad harm this kind of sorrowful thinking effects those who need help. :ohdear:

This Thread is going nowhere now! Those for vs Those against. If that ain’t political I don’t know what is! Not to mention the OP left the boards. I’ll tell you what though I’m not a active user but I’m willing to to start a Villages MMJ club because the support and interest is honestly shocking in numbers here. I’ll personally pay for all and any fee’s so it’s not miss interpreted. We can exchange info, talk about cooking with cannabis, pro’s and cons about CBD etc etc.... Heck I’ll even ask one of our Village Residents who happens to be a owner of 1 of the limited FL MMTC’s if we can do site visits to his Mt Dora Facility.

Then those in support can get safe, reliable and useful info without having the NIMBY’s harassing them with BS.

Those in opposition can either start your own club (which you won’t) or as usual stand on your soap box belittling everyone you disagree with.

Cheers

Yikes!


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

I’m not quite sure why but this post made me laugh (in a good way). The topic continues to be interesting.

Yes Sir!

Difference of opinion = political?

And....double yikes!

This thread has long since strayed from the original question/topic of would you use marijuana if it was legal. A number of personally directed posts were removed.

Thread closed.

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