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waterflower 08-12-2023 07:37 AM

Research Nikola Tesla's wireless ether/elrctrical towers. His inventions where supose to be free for humanity. GE, JP Morgan and the likes blocked all knowledge for their greedy profit. Ether/electricy is in the air every where. Nikola Tesla invented a wireless electric car in the early 1900's while living in NYC and never plugged in his car. It was charged fron his Long Island wireless tower.

MrLonzo 08-12-2023 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by seecapecod (Post 2244381)
Mine was $92 and $97 for the last 2 months. Designer home set at 78 degrees

Are you living in house? Was this just A/C? Or other electric use also included?

Djean1981 08-12-2023 07:40 AM

Electricity is high everywhere... lol

Wondering 08-12-2023 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2244074)
Haven't moved in yet, refrigerator is off, only electric I'm using in the house is A/C, thermostat set at 80. Just got a bill from SECO for $101 for 29 days. Seems high, but is it?

Your bill is very reasonable. You could have set the thermostat at 82. 2000 sq. ft. house in the summer set at 79 would be in the $160 range if you were living there.

retiredguy123 08-12-2023 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2244406)
I'm mainly just trying to understand how much electricity the A/C uses when set for minimal use (set at steady 80F). I'm moving from S. California where kwh prices are 4X as high ($0.46/kwh) as Florida, yet my bill has never been over $100. My Calif. house has no A/C, so this A/C use is all new to me.

As mentioned, no other electricity is being used in the house right now. Not even ghost appliances. Everything -- tv's, coffee maker, power recliners, etc., have been unplugged. Hot water heater is tankless, but water is off. I haven't seen any other replies on this thread to compare other apples with my apples. It's CV, 1900 sq ft.

I really think that your electric bill is correct, especially for a 1900 SF house. But, if you want to reduce it, most thermostats have an optional humidity setting that will overcool your house by a few degrees only when the humidity is too high. So, if you set the humidity option to 60 percent, and set the thermostat to 83 degrees, the air conditioner will not run as often. For some people, this humidity setting is not comfortable because the house gets too cold when the humidity is high, but, for an unoccupied house, it will reduce the electric bill. Raising the thermostat from 80 to 83 will make a big difference in electricity use.

airstreamingypsy 08-12-2023 08:07 AM

$101.00 in Florida, for the hottest month on record, is a steal.

cjrjck 08-12-2023 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2244074)
Haven't moved in yet, refrigerator is off, only electric I'm using in the house is A/C, thermostat set at 80. Just got a bill from SECO for $101 for 29 days. Seems high, but is it?

Be grateful you aren't serviced by Duke Energy. With the ridiculous added fuel charges and other fees and taxes, you will be paying about 16 cents a kWh. More if usage goes above 1000 kWh.

Toymeister 08-12-2023 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2244406)
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I'm mainly just trying to understand how much electricity the A/C uses when set for minimal use (set at steady 80F).

As mentioned, no other electricity is being used in the house right now. Not even ghost appliances. Everything -- tv's, coffee maker, power recliners, etc., have been unplugged.

First, read and understand your bill. You are paying over a dollar a day to have the privilege of getting a bill. Every kWH used is taxed also.

Second, understand ghost load. Your doorbell, garage door openers, thermostat/HVAC, dishwasher, microwave, every GFCI device, irrigation system, tankless water heater (even if the water is off the electric is on) all have ghost loads and you most certainly left them "plugged" in. You pay for a driveway light every night.

As to the incremental cost of operating AC that's been covered already.

mikeycereal 08-12-2023 08:54 AM

Your bill is around the same (low $100s) as me during summer as when I lived in Vegas... both under 1200 sq feet. It drops down to around $60 on all other months. For both my homes it's been beneficial to leave AC running day & night at around 76-77 degrees. I only set it to 80 degrees when on a trip over a week.

The biggest energy users are anything that makes things hot or cold. That extra fridge and/or freezer in the garage is costly.TV and other gadgets only use a small %. That "turn the light off when not in the room" quote is more of a save your lightbulb life than a noticeable AC bill.

My gas started out between $30-40 for the first year. But doing bulk cooking rather than every day dropped it this month to $19.

Lyarham 08-12-2023 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2244074)
Haven't moved in yet, refrigerator is off, only electric I'm using in the house is A/C, thermostat set at 80. Just got a bill from SECO for $101 for 29 days. Seems high, but is it?

When we’re away we set the air to 85. Bill is about $75

pauld315 08-12-2023 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2244215)
Watts are a moment in time, a kilowatt hour is 1000 watts used in one hour. One hundred watts used for ten hours is also a kWH. I expressed my AC consumption dramatically to convey accuracy.

Watts are useful to see how much draw an appliance has while kWH are useful to see how much it costs. Example, my toaster is an energy hog at 1,468 watts but my kWH consumption is about a dime per month as is rarely runs.

Yesterday my AC ran for eleven hours and five minutes. The day before run time was four minutes less. But I set my AC by temp so I never consider run time.

So, according to my math (496,120,000 watts /1000 watts per KwH ) = 496,,120 KwH per month ? I don't think that is right.

Two Bills 08-12-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeycereal (Post 2244476)

My gas started out between $30-40 for the first year. But doing bulk cooking rather than every day dropped it this month to $19.

How much from the gas saving is left after using electric to reheat meals a month, or do you eat it cold?

MrLonzo 08-12-2023 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wondering (Post 2244424)
Your bill is very reasonable. You could have set the thermostat at 82. 2000 sq. ft. house in the summer set at 79 would be in the $160 range if you were living there.

Thank you, I will adjust the thermostat and try 82.
[BTW, if I were living there, I'm sure it would be less. I like it hot. The A/C would not be on nearly as much.]

MrLonzo 08-12-2023 12:44 PM

To reiterate for those who like to read between the lines, I'm not complaining about the SECO bill, just trying to understand what the norm is in Florida, as I'm moving from a completely different environment. My gratitude for all comments.

ton80 08-12-2023 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2244114)
Our AC consumes exactly 2,927 watts when it is on, likewise our fridge uses 104 watts.

Our monthly AC consumption is exactly 496,120,000 watts or 496.1 kWH. This for a 2230 sq ft concrete block home with 9' walls set to 77 degrees.

By far AC is the largest consumer of juice, however there are a number of items that consume power all the time (ghost watts) averaging 100 to 200 watts 24/7 or 73.2 to 146.4 kWH monthly.

To quote dollars to operate an appliance is somewhat misleading depending upon your utility but you can be reasonably accurate at .112 cents per kWH. So my AC costs $55.56 this month not including customer charges, taxes and other fees.

Data based upon a whole house energy monitor collecting 100,000 points of data per second for six years or 18.9 trillion points of reference.

Any questions on energy consumption in TV, ask away.

TLDR: no your bill is not high.

Toymeister,

With great respect for your abilities, I have had difficulties matching your calculations using your data. The problem seems to be what is the AC power consumption instantaneous versus average over the month.

"exactly 496,120,000 watts or 496.1 kWH" I assume you meant watt-hours for the month. If so, I can match your monthly power cost. Otherwise I get a number about double suggesting that somewhere the average daily runtime and the absolute 24 hrs per day times 30 days per month somewhere got missed or I misunderstood.

Trying to calculate the kwh starting with the AC power draw:
Assuming AC power draw is 2927 watts or 2.927 kw when operating, and assuming 11 hrs per day times 30 days per month I get 981 kwh/mo.
At $0.112 per kwh, the monthly cost would be about $110.

Going back to: 496.1 kwh consumed times $.112 per kwh = $ 55.6

I agree with your comments and analyses. I agree that the OP cost is reasonable for all of the points you mentioned, other fees, ghost loads etc. The student in me could not make the quick numbers match.

bcsnave 08-12-2023 02:14 PM

Electricity doesn't cost a thing..just ask all the folks with Electric carts that plug in at town squares or other places that are not their own and think they are not stealing fuel

journalgirl 08-12-2023 02:15 PM

Electricity (Tesla Info)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phylt (Post 2244390)
Anyone know if SECO has Peak or Lower elec cost structure. We may be getting an EV and would like to know for charging. TIA

Seco has a great program for Tesla owners. Monthly discount when charging during off peak hours, updated electric meter to allow ability to monitor usage in 15 min increments. I’m seeing significant savings.
Check Seco website for all the specifics.

Bill14564 08-12-2023 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bcsnave (Post 2244594)
Electricity doesn't cost a thing..just ask all the folks with Electric carts that plug in at town squares or other places that are not their own and think they are not stealing fuel

Just how many are "all the folks?" I've read on ToTV that it happens but I've never seen it. And no, I haven't been looking, but I think I would have noticed the extension cords as I stepped over them.

Rough observations but my cart costs about $0.01/mile to charge and adds about seven miles for every hour of charging. That would work out to be about $0.10/hour of charging at residential rates. If someone was plugged in for the entire time music was playing at the square it would come to a little less than $0.50. Stealing is stealing but it would cost far more in labor to patrol the area than would be stolen by a single cart.

There might be a business opportunity there. Construct a "power tree" with a dozen network controlled outlets and charge users $1/hour to plug in.

NOTE: Thank you JMintzer for noticing the post I replied to had been changed.

JMintzer 08-12-2023 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2244596)
Stealing fuel? As far as I know the 110 outlet in my garage runs through the same meter as the rest of my house. Anything that goes into my cart is metered, billed, and paid for. What is being stolen?

As for cost, my electric cart costs about $0.01/mile. My gas cart right now costs close to $0.07/mile.

Your quoted poster corrected his post...

JMintzer 08-12-2023 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2244074)
Haven't moved in yet, refrigerator is off, only electric I'm using in the house is A/C, thermostat set at 80. Just got a bill from SECO for $101 for 29 days. Seems high, but is it?

Since it was your first bill, are you sure it was only for 30 days? First bills can be higher or lower than normal, based on billing cycle dates...

MrLonzo 08-12-2023 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2244607)
Since it was your first bill, are you sure it was only for 30 days? First bills can be higher or lower than normal, based on billing cycle dates...

Technically, it was my 2nd bill. First was for about 10 days plus the startup fees. Yes, this bill is for 29 days.

Nana2Teddy 08-12-2023 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2244074)
Haven't moved in yet, refrigerator is off, only electric I'm using in the house is A/C, thermostat set at 80. Just got a bill from SECO for $101 for 29 days. Seems high, but is it?

Our last bill was $302. Main AC set to 73 day, 71 night with 50% humidity setting. Garage minisplit set at 75, and two east facing lanai minisplits set at 73-75 depending on the weather. 2300 sq ft, 4 br, 3 bth, 8 month old home. We also run a pondless waterfall in our backyard with a remote control, so just a few hours daily. We think this is a bargain compared to our former SoCal summer time electric bill. We paid $300 in winter with no AC running, gas furnace, and backyard waterfall pumps running only 1 hr/day on a timer.

JMintzer 08-12-2023 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2244074)
Haven't moved in yet, refrigerator is off, only electric I'm using in the house is A/C, thermostat set at 80. Just got a bill from SECO for $101 for 29 days. Seems high, but is it?

Is your water heater on?

We turn ours off (at the fuse box) when we're gone...

We have a few lights on timers, and wi-fi on (for the security system) but that's about it...

The last two bills we had were $65.XX in April/May (when we away) and $95.XX in May/June (the wife was there most of June and I was there the last week of June...). We keep the thermostat at 78° when we're not there and about 73° when we are there...

Our billing cycle is mid month to mid month...

asianthree 08-12-2023 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bcsnave (Post 2244594)
Electricity doesn't cost a thing..just ask all the folks with Electric carts that plug in at town squares or other places that are not their own and think they are not stealing fuel

Where are they PLUNGING IN at the town squares, or for that matter anywhere in TV. Guess you are referring to their neighbors house

Altawood 08-13-2023 04:33 AM

Actual Cost per KW
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2244114)
Our AC consumes exactly 2,927 watts when it is on, likewise our fridge uses 104 watts.

Our monthly AC consumption is exactly 496,120,000 watts or 496.1 kWH. This for a 2230 sq ft concrete block home with 9' walls set to 77 degrees.

By far AC is the largest consumer of juice, however there are a number of items that consume power all the time (ghost watts) averaging 100 to 200 watts 24/7 or 73.2 to 146.4 kWH monthly.

To quote dollars to operate an appliance is somewhat misleading depending upon your utility but you can be reasonably accurate at .112 cents per kWH. So my AC costs $55.56 this month not including customer charges, taxes and other fees.

Data based upon a whole house energy monitor collecting 100,000 points of data per second for six years or 18.9 trillion points of reference.

Any questions on energy consumption in TV, ask away.

TLDR: no your bill is not high.

The actual cost for electricity is closer to $0.16/KW because of the $25/month base charge for smaller homes. The base charge becomes less of an issue for high KW users. Our base charge at home in UT is $10/per month, but we have a Public Service Commission that oversees rates and charges.

mikeycereal 08-13-2023 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2244538)
How much from the gas saving is left after using electric to reheat meals a month, or do you eat it cold?

I should've been more specific. Heating and cooling the home = highest % of electric bill. Microwaves and toasters are a pretty low % of the bill. So my answer is... not cold. If more specific answers needed google is your friend.

MacScuba 08-13-2023 06:51 AM

You just answered your own question. If the A/C is the only thing running, it’s the main driver of your bill. The other nine months will be a lot less. It’s actually a heat pump, and will provide heat if needed, but the summer bills are always higher.

ROCKETMAN 08-13-2023 07:02 AM

I have an 1150 sq ft house with temperature set at 80 and my July electric bill was $105. Have all electric appliances and furnace is 4years old.

MarkTheTechWizard 08-13-2023 08:47 AM

I wish my rate was .112 cents per KWH
 
But it is .112 dollars per KWH or 11.2 cents per KWH. Otherwise, you did a good analysis. So says a retired electrician :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2244114)
Our AC consumes exactly 2,927 watts when it is on, likewise our fridge uses 104 watts.

Our monthly AC consumption is exactly 496,120,000 watts or 496.1 kWH. This for a 2230 sq ft concrete block home with 9' walls set to 77 degrees.

By far AC is the largest consumer of juice, however there are a number of items that consume power all the time (ghost watts) averaging 100 to 200 watts 24/7 or 73.2 to 146.4 kWH monthly.

To quote dollars to operate an appliance is somewhat misleading depending upon your utility but you can be reasonably accurate at .112 cents per kWH. So my AC costs $55.56 this month not including customer charges, taxes and other fees.

Data based upon a whole house energy monitor collecting 100,000 points of data per second for six years or 18.9 trillion points of reference.

Any questions on energy consumption in TV, ask away.

TLDR: no your bill is not high.


JMintzer 08-13-2023 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2244660)
Where are they PLUNGING IN at the town squares, or for that matter anywhere in TV. Guess you are referring to their neighbors house

People have been seen "PLUNGING IN" at rec centers and around the squares... Basically anywhere they find an electrical outlet...

loutapes 08-13-2023 01:17 PM

Lou Falletta
 
I live in. 2100 sq Ft Gardinia
We have a pool that runs 8 hrs a day 365 days a year
AC set at 70 / 72 all days of the summer with a ceiling fan in the main portion of the house
Our avg cost $275 month

Donegalkid 08-13-2023 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2244074)
Haven't moved in yet, refrigerator is off, only electric I'm using in the house is A/C, thermostat set at 80. Just got a bill from SECO for $101 for 29 days. Seems high, but is it?

We removed our old furnace and AC system, all ductwork in the space above the ceilings, checked and leveled all of our existing blow-in insulation above all rooms (now that we could check it with ductwork gone), diligently sealed all old HVAC vents, installed 4 Mitsubishi mini-splits (one for each bedroom, one larger one for living areas). Upshot: minis heated rooms well in late winter; have easily kept rooms cool (low 70s to mid 70s) thus far this summer. 1600 sq ft living area; we have all the regular necessary appliances and a large freezer; last SECO bill was $135. We like the convenience of individual control of minis (e.g. closing off a spare bedroom), efficiency of minis, extra closet/storage space from absent furnace), unencumbered storage space in attic areas (no ductwork), $2K federal energy credit for minis. Not sure of the age of your HVAC system but when due for replacement consider mini-splits. We also are well familiar with heating, HVAC, oil, electricity costs from the NE and we’re glad we took my brother-in-law’s suggestions to go all in with minis. He’s a retired electrician and has six running in a large NH house. Even up in the cold NE people have done the numbers and minis can be an effective heating/cooling system (particularly down here in FL). And economical regarding use of electricity. Good luck with your research.

Catalina36 08-13-2023 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2244074)
Haven't moved in yet, refrigerator is off, only electric I'm using in the house is A/C, thermostat set at 80. Just got a bill from SECO for $101 for 29 days. Seems high, but is it?

I have a 1375 sq ft home, I keep my A/C on 78 when I am not there. My refrigerator is running on a warmer then normal setting. Shades are down in the florida room. I have 2 solar attic fans hoping to keep the attic cooler?? My electric bill for July was $98.00.

Catalina36 08-13-2023 11:29 PM

Mini's are more expensive to repair if they breakdown then a central A/C unit. Parts are not easily found because there are so many mini split systems made by various companies. Where most central units are made with a lot of generic parts. My vote is stay with the central unit.

Kelevision 08-14-2023 06:02 AM

I have Duke, not seco. My highest bills in the summer have never been above $170. I keep my a/c set at 73 during the day and 71 and night. No extras like garage refrigerator or pool. Keeping your a/c set to 80 is good in most places but with the heat here, it’s still running most all the time trying to keep it at 80.


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