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MandoMan 09-26-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1838189)
There have been lots of words written recently about the apartments to be built at the Hacienda Hills CC site. How about some arithmetic?

—The 7 acre site has 308,00 sq.ft. of buildable space.

— If we make a conservative assumption that 3 acres of the site will be required for the resort pool, walking trails, and other recreational amenities promised by the Developer, the buildable portion of the site is reduced to 176,000 sf.

— The amount of buildable space will be further reduced by the space required for surface parking for apartment residents and guests cars and golf carts, and modest landscaping around the building. At standard “striping sizes” and assuming 1/4 acre of landscaping, those items further reduce the buildable surface on the site by about 75,000 sf, further reducing the buildable surface to about 101,000 sf.

— At an average size of 1,200 sf, the 286 apartments will require 343,000 sf. Add in a 20% factor for hallways and other common areas and there will be 412,000 sf under roof. No allocation has been made for the promised restaurant or restaurant parking.

The arithmetic indicates that the new structure will average slightly more than 4 stories in height. If resident parking and a restaurant are added “under roof”, the structure would average closer to 5 stories in height. If parking for the apartments is provided under ground, the height of the structure could be maintained at about 4 stories.

All that arithmetic being considered, fitting a resort pool, pool structure, restaurant, golf starting facilities, walking paths and other sports amenities, all promised by the Developer, onto only 3 acres of land seems to be a tall order

I’ve tried to be transparent in how I arrived at my conclusions. Feel free to change whatever assumptions you’d like and see what conclusions you reach.

I’m not certain, but I believe the report I read about yesterday specified a maximum of 64’ high. There might be a parapet above the top floor and a flat roof with the air conditioning up there. There might also be shingled roofs with roof trusses, say 4 in 12. That would be included in the height, and that would take up six feet. The first floor may well be several feet above ground level.

So I agree with you: four stories. How many elevators?

graciegirl 09-26-2020 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1838839)
I’m not certain, but I believe the report I read about yesterday specified a maximum of 64’ high. There might be a parapet above the top floor and a flat roof with the air conditioning up there. There might also be shingled roofs with roof trusses, say 4 in 12. That would be included in the height, and that would take up six feet. The first floor may well be several feet above ground level.

So I agree with you: four stories. How many elevators?

I say three. Wanna bet? I have five bucks here.

John41 09-26-2020 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1838839)
I’m not certain, but I believe the report I read about yesterday specified a maximum of 64’ high. There might be a parapet above the top floor and a flat roof with the air conditioning up there. There might also be shingled roofs with roof trusses, say 4 in 12. That would be included in the height, and that would take up six feet. The first floor may well be several feet above ground level.

So I agree with you: four stories. How many elevators?

According to the internet a 4 story building would be 40 feet high. So that leaves 24 feet for parking or extra stories. Either way this will be a monstrosity to area residents.

chuckandflo 09-26-2020 01:37 PM

I think the developers are going to prove all us naysayers wrong
 
They will probably build a beautiful resort style pool, tennis courts, walking trails and various other amenities in place of the HH country club. It will be available to all residents including the ones who rent out his Loft like apartments that he builds in the area that was the P:welcome:alms nine of HH which he closed. Property values stay up. Blends in with Freedom point next door. Villagers are all happy and writing to friends back home to hurry down before this place is sold out.
:welcome:

dewilson58 09-26-2020 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1838879)
According to the internet a 4 story building would be 40 feet high.


Going to be an extremely flat roof at 40 feet, or it might work.....old people shrink and are hunched over.

John41 09-26-2020 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1838924)
Going to be an extremely flat roof at 40 feet, or it might work.....old people shrink and are hunched over.

10 feet per story should be high enough, 8’ for people and 2’ for utilities. What’s happening to the extra 24’?

Barborv 09-26-2020 04:02 PM

I just don't understand why they wouldn't choose to build these apartments in the new areas south of 44. They can make some of those new areas that aren't even built yet into apartments. Why do it in an existing neighborhood where its all homes!

dewilson58 09-26-2020 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Barborv (Post 1839000)
I just don't understand why they wouldn't choose to build these apartments in the new areas south of 44. They can make some of those new areas that aren't even built yet into apartments. Why do it in an existing neighborhood where its all homes!


Empty space available.

Apartments might be more attractive in an established area.
Current homeowners might want to transition into an apartment in their own "area".

Stu from NYC 09-26-2020 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1839008)
Empty space available.

Apartments might be more attractive in an established area.
Current homeowners might want to transition into an apartment in their own "area".

Especially if shopping is near by

John41 09-26-2020 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Barborv (Post 1839000)
I just don't understand why they wouldn't choose to build these apartments in the new areas south of 44. They can make some of those new areas that aren't even built yet into apartments. Why do it in an existing neighborhood where its all homes!

No one would buy a single family home in the new area if they saw apartments being built nearby. Here they already have our money and don’t care.

Stu from NYC 09-26-2020 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1839034)
No one would buy a single family home in the new area if they saw apartments being built nearby. Here they already have our money and don’t care.

Think you nailed it. Do not think they would pick an area and put up a thousand or so apartments while trying to sell new home.

npwalters 09-27-2020 11:44 AM

To address two points in the previous posts.

The maximum height allowed by Sumter County at the HH site is 50 feet. This was stated by the developers attorney and confirmed by Mr. Holly (county planning staff).

The developers attorney -under oath - and as also reported by the V-Ns - stated there WILL BE a restaurant at the site. I suppose they can "correct" that at the next meeting but it was read from a prepared statement. The agreement with the the AAC (amenity authority) does not require a restaurant.


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