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Topspinmo 05-08-2021 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by igolf47 (Post 1941258)
I have a 2017Honda Accord with 75,000 miles on it. I absolutely love getting 44-47 miles per gallon with zero issues. I plan to keep this car for 10-12 years. I am a firm believer in Honda and Toyota.
I have 2012 Honda Accord 4 cylinder. Get 26/37 mpg, uses zero oil, looks like new, drives and rides like new, aNd runs like new. This Honda could out last me, ( but, I religiously maintain it), but I get older and don’t like to crawl down in it my only reason I might another vehicle that sets higher.

My next choice’s Are Hyundai Santa Cruz, rav4? Not really fan of the 1.5/2.0 direct injection natural or turbo engines. not fan of Ford bronco or CRV’s for that reason. IMO so far too small, works too hard, and direct injection has had problem’s? If I had one I would religiously change the oil every 6 months minimum, especially if turbocharged? But, that’s me.

TCNY61 05-08-2021 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1941198)
This is slightly off topic because you specifically asked about a CR-V hybrid. You might wish to wait a year and take a look at the new crop of fully electric vehicles that will become available. Many will have a $7500 tax credit to offset the higher cost. While charging times on a road trip will take longer than refueling with gas, if road trips are not something you do frequently then it may not be an issue. Since you have an SUV already and are looking at another SUV, I will assume a sedan will not meet your needs. There are several fully electric SUVs available now and more coming next year.
Just read my latest car and driver magazine. Their long term Tesla has about 21,000 miles and the battery is down 7% capacity already probably from the quick charging. Also the cost of the quick charge stations works out to the equivalent of $8 a gallon. I don't look forward to electric vehicles!

TCNY61 05-08-2021 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1941424)
I have 2012 Honda Accord 4 cylinder. Get 26/37 mpg, uses zero oil, looks like new, drives and rides like new, aNd runs like new. This Honda could out last me, ( but, I religiously maintain it), but I get older and don’t like to crawl down in it my only reason I might another vehicle that sets higher.

My next choice’s Are Hyundai Santa Cruz, rav4? Not really fan of the 1.5/2.0 direct injection natural or turbo engines. not fan of Ford bronco or CRV’s for that reason. IMO so far too small, works too hard, and direct injection has had problem’s? If I had one I would religiously change the oil every 6 months minimum, especially if turbocharged? But, that’s me.
Some of the vehicles like Toyota have a second set of port injectors that at certain times in the combustion cycle inject fuel above the valves to clean them. This is to solve the problem with carbon on the valves since no fuel goes past them on a standard direct injection system.

tophcfa 05-08-2021 10:22 PM
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tuccillo 05-08-2021 11:20 PM
Apparently the typical pattern is a rather quick drop in battery capacity and then a leveling off. I believe 10-15% degradation at 200K miles is not unusual. There are apparently some Teslas still on the road with over 300k miles.

The average cost of the Tesla superchargers is 28 cents per kWh or about 2x what it costs to charge at home (14 cents per kWh around here). If you figure about 250 Whs per mile then the cost is 7 cents per mile for a Supercharger or 3.5 cents per mile when charging at home. YMMV. This makes the cost of a Tesla supercharger to be equivalent to paying $2.80 per gallon for gas (about the current price at the pumps) for a gas car that gets 40 mpg or about $1.40 per gallon if you are charging at home. Since most Teslas are mostly charged at home, the cost of driving is less than gas cars. The MPGe rating of over 100 is another indication of this. I am not sure where you got the $8 per gallon figure.

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Originally Posted by TCNY61 (Post 1941433)
Just read my latest car and driver magazine. Their long term Tesla has about 21,000 miles and the battery is down 7% capacity already probably from the quick charging. Also the cost of the quick charge stations works out to the equivalent of $8 a gallon. I don't look forward to electric vehicles!

pgettinger01 05-09-2021 12:11 AM
Hybrids use regenerative braking to charge the battery. In the city you brake more than on the highway. For example a Prius gets 50 MPG in the city and 40 MPG on the highway.

DangeloInspections 05-09-2021 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1941424)
I have 2012 Honda Accord 4 cylinder. Get 26/37 mpg, uses zero oil, looks like new, drives and rides like new, aNd runs like new. This Honda could out last me, ( but, I religiously maintain it), but I get older and don’t like to crawl down in it my only reason I might another vehicle that sets higher.

My next choice’s Are Hyundai Santa Cruz, rav4? Not really fan of the 1.5/2.0 direct injection natural or turbo engines. not fan of Ford bronco or CRV’s for that reason. IMO so far too small, works too hard, and direct injection has had problem’s? If I had one I would religiously change the oil every 6 months minimum, especially if turbocharged? But, that’s me.
This is my situation...my wife states she can no longer comfortably get in and out of our 2014 Suburu Outback due to hip issues. So this tells me we can no longer own ANY lower vehicles....no more Priuses, no more Lexuses, nothing low. This is why I thought we need a higher SUV. I do not need a large one, as "her" car is a Town and Country minivan that she jumps UP into with no problem.

So we checked out the 2022 Tucson. She can get in and out of it no problem. The hybrid model has more HP, torque, etc. Cargo space is actually bigger than all the competition including the SantaFe. I am with you however....the new Santa Cruz coming out this summer is AMAZING. I'm SO tempted towards it, but do not really need the bed. It is basically the new Tucson with a 4'3' bed in the back. Blows everything else away in looks, styling, tech, etc.
Anyway, I still contend that anyone considering a new CR-V, Rav-4 , etc. at least take a look at this new Tucson....and no I am not a dealer, LOL, I have never owned a Hyundai before, but I am impressed with this one.

bobdeb 05-09-2021 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JoelJohnson (Post 1940910)
We too have an 2008 Honda CRV (153,000 miles). I would stay away from hybrids as there is a much higher repair cost when (not if) things go bad. We are thinking that our next (and most likely last) vehicle will be a Toyota Highlander. They are one of the most bullet proof cars.
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Agreed. Hybrid repairs are extremely expensive. I would avoid a hybrid. Lease one maybe. Don't buy, or be sure to trade in after 2 or 3 years.

Basic Toyotas and Hondas are dependable. No, I don't own either at this time.

rde3036 05-09-2021 06:39 AM
I own a 2020 Honda Accord that currently has 13,000 miles on the odometer and averages 36 mpg with it's 1.5 liter turbo charged engine. Who needs the complexities of a hybrid!

tuccillo 05-09-2021 07:04 AM
Honda has a 5-year warranty on the power train. Why would you see the need to trade it after only 2 or 3 years?

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Originally Posted by bobdeb (Post 1941496)
Agreed. Hybrid repairs are extremely expensive. I would avoid a hybrid. Lease one maybe. Don't buy, or be sure to trade in after 2 or 3 years.

Basic Toyotas and Hondas are dependable. No, I don't own either at this time.

TedfromGA 05-09-2021 07:07 AM
Is a foreign car a foreign car?
 
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Originally Posted by Lil GTO (Post 1941135)
Interesting subject and comments. I’ve spent a lifetime in the car business and it never ceases to amaze me how many people think the Asian imports are such great and bullet proof vehicles.

At one time early 80’s through mid 90’s the American auto manufacturers produced substandard vehicles except for a few models within the domestic offering.

This lead almost to their demise. Since then the domestic manufacturers had a choice either go under or get with the program.

As Americans can and do they’ve not only put their products on par with all imports but have recently pulled ahead in quality and technology and safety in many instances.

Many imports were 5 years behind on current safety suites only offering them in their top luxury brands and models.

Finally they’re offering them in their main stream vehicles.

Here’s my question to those that think that imports have a quality/reliability advantage.

If in your mind you were certain that domestic vehicles were as good as if not better than imports would you then buy American?

If not why not? Our manufactures large and small need us to fully support them so that they can continue to lead the world in quality safety and technology.

The absolute facts are and Toyota, Honda, Nissan have all been caught at it several times and fined heavily for it that when there is a catastrophic recall it isn’t labeled as such the recall issued might be for a suspension component replacement or a faulty switch but the real problem is something to go with brake failure, unexpected acceleration, something that could cause fire etc.

The vehicle comes in for the suspension fix which was never an issue to begin with and the item that could cause catastrophic damage is then repaired the vehicle returned to the owner/lessee and they’re none the wiser.

It has happened many times and it will continue to happen as it is better to pay fines (if caught) which they only get caught a small percentage of the time than to lose their bullet proof reputation with the American buyers.

Folks if you’re convinced that imports are so superior to domestic vehicles just ride by the Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Kia, Hyundai, Subaru dealership on any given day and observe that the service bays are full.

They are full doing warranty work period just like the domestic dealerships.

Quit making these automotive decisions by following the little black and red dots in consumer reports and do some homework for your selves.

Domestic vehicles are winning and you should be too by driving and owning them.

Peace out.

Dan the carman for 52 years and counting.

Happy Mother’s Day to all the moms and grandmothers out there m.


FYI a Toyota car has more USA parts and is assembled in USA vs. an American brand car.

bobdeb 05-09-2021 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1941533)
Honda has a 5-year warranty on the power train. Why would you see the need to trade it after only 2 or 3 years?

Power train warranty doesn't cover auxiliary components. They are the ones that fail. It's a false sense of security.

tuccillo 05-09-2021 01:36 PM
Well, we have had two CR-Vs and nothing has failed. One was 7 years old when we sold it and the other is 10 years old and we still have it. The chances of anything failing on a 2-3 year old car is near zero and if something did fail virtually all cars come with 3 or 4 year bumper-to-bumper warranties.


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Originally Posted by bobdeb (Post 1941715)
Power train warranty doesn't cover auxiliary components. They are the ones that fail. It's a false sense of security.

kkingston57 05-09-2021 01:47 PM
We moved here 6 months ago and live < 1 mile from Spanish Springs. Have driven less than 4K miles(2 cars) during that time. Added initial costs of the hybrid would not save money in the long run. Drive Acura MDX and get 20+ MPG. Hybrid (2K more) supposed to get 26MPG.

Topspinmo 05-09-2021 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TedfromGA (Post 1941538)
FYI a Toyota car has more USA parts and is assembled in USA vs. an American brand car.
You mean parts sent from China and assembled in US? :)

Ben Franklin 05-09-2021 02:59 PM
My wife purchased the Toyota Prius when they first came out in either 2002 or 2004 - can't remember the exact year. I drove it a couple of times, and enjoyed it so much, I bought one. I ended up owning 3 Prius' - not all at once. I put over 100,000 on each one and never had a problem. I also averaged about 46 miles a gallon. My wife's first Prius did develop a battery problem after the warranty period, but the dealership replaced them free of charge anyway.

Friend's of mine just purchased an all electric Tesla and drove it here from MN. I think my next car will be all electric. Probably not a Tesla though.

All cars end up having some problems, so go for it.

eweissenbach 05-09-2021 03:34 PM
Not exactly an answer to your specific question, but I’ll add my input anyway. I have had a 2018 Hyundai Ioniq for two years. I bought it a year old as a repair loaner with a new car warranty for about ten thousand under sticker. The new car warranty includes replacement batteries for life. I get 51-52 miles per gallon average driving and in TV I get 54 mpg. On trips to and from TV and Kansas City I get about 46 mpg as I drive a little faster than is economically advantageous. I average about 16,000 miles per year. The Ioniq is a hatchback which provides lots of cargo space and is comfortable for 4-5 occupants. Ioniqs are hard to find as for some reason they are not releasing many to the US market, but if you can snag one I don’t think you’ll be sorry. I

placeman6 05-09-2021 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 1940897)
My 2008 Honda CRV is getting a bit long in tooth and I am considering a new CRV, my understanding is hybrids show their worth in stop and go urban driving, 40 mpg advertised, but that's not the situation here in the Villages, my 2008 runs a consistent 26 , closer to the highway mileage mpg than city, can anyone with a newer CRV hybrid share their experience ? TIA

If it matters, my understanding is that a trailer hitch can not be installed on the CR-V Hybird.

Dana1963 05-09-2021 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by placeman6 (Post 1941773)
If it matters, my understanding is that a trailer hitch can not be installed on the CR-V Hybird.
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Viperguy 05-09-2021 06:37 PM
Just put gas in my wife's quiet tech Yamaha 2020. It got a little over 40 mpg. Her Ford C-Max hybrid gets almost 50 around town. Cheaper to drive the car.

tuccillo 05-09-2021 08:12 PM
My 2014 Yamaha gets 50 mpg, sometimes a bit better.

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Originally Posted by Viperguy (Post 1941811)
Just put gas in my wife's quiet tech Yamaha 2020. It got a little over 40 mpg. Her Ford C-Max hybrid gets almost 50 around town. Cheaper to drive the car.

kkingston57 05-10-2021 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Viperguy (Post 1941811)
Just put gas in my wife's quiet tech Yamaha 2020. It got a little over 40 mpg. Her Ford C-Max hybrid gets almost 50 around town. Cheaper to drive the car.
Thought of this many times. You did not mention that the Yamaha has no AC, no radio, is noisier, is smellier, has a rougher ride and has a top speed of 20+/- miles per hour. When we 1st moved here had a VW which got 44 MPG and salesman bragged the Yamaha got 40 MPG

bobdeb 05-11-2021 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1941720)
Well, we have had two CR-Vs and nothing has failed. One was 7 years old when we sold it and the other is 10 years old and we still have it. The chances of anything failing on a 2-3 year old car is near zero and if something did fail virtually all cars come with 3 or 4 year bumper-to-bumper warranties.
Depreciation factors comes into play the longer you hold a vehicle.

A used car still under some reasonable warranty is more attractive to buyers.

tuccillo 05-11-2021 08:36 AM
So, you are changing the topic from the reliability of a 2-3 year old car to depreciation?

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Originally Posted by bobdeb (Post 1942705)
Depreciation factors comes into play the longer you hold a vehicle.

A used car still under some reasonable warranty is more attractive to buyers.

Bilyclub 05-11-2021 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 1942536)
Thought of this many times. You did not mention that the Yamaha has no AC, no radio, is noisier, is smellier, has a rougher ride and has a top speed of 20+/- miles per hour. When we 1st moved here had a VW which got 44 MPG and salesman bragged the Yamaha got 40 MPG
VW got caught fudging there MPG numbers, so maybe not.

Topspinmo 05-11-2021 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 1942536)
Thought of this many times. You did not mention that the Yamaha has no AC, no radio, is noisier, is smellier, has a rougher ride and has a top speed of 20+/- miles per hour. When we 1st moved here had a VW which got 44 MPG and salesman bragged the Yamaha got 40 MPG

So you’re comparing lawnmower engine in golf cart to VW and about 1/4 the cost? I take it you don’t golf cause you can’t drive the VW on golf course. I guess don’t remember the biggest fine in USA history at time was when VW got caught lying and cheating about emissions.

Topspinmo 05-11-2021 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1942760)
So, you are changing the topic from the reliability of a 2-3 year old car to depreciation?
Actually even Yugo’s would last two or three years. Any vehicle now days that can’t go at least 5 years with zero problems has quality problems and that’s it you do absolutely nothing.

Indiana Randy 05-11-2021 08:54 AM
I have a 2019 HONDA CRV with 26,000 miles, 2 wheel drive, gas engine. It shows from inception it has averaged 33.6 mpg. Great economical car.

peachpit 05-11-2021 10:45 AM
If you have a 2008 model of any car, you will be so much happier with a 2021 anything. Drive them all. There is not one new car on the market that will not put your 2008 to shame. Don't worry about badges ie German, US, Japan, Korea, buy what fits you best.

bobdeb 05-11-2021 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1942760)
So, you are changing the topic from the reliability of a 2-3 year old car to depreciation?
Whatever...

It all depends on mileage and wear and tear. If you drive an EcoBoost turbo like a maniac your reliability comes into play.

If you buy a high mileage vehicle know well what reliability issues might come into play.

If you drive like my wife and put on like 4k miles a year who cares.

High mileage hybrids are a gamble. Cost of repairs are higher than normal.

I've had 3 new BMWs. Never buy another one due to excessive depreciation, reliability and cost of repairs. Oh, look sharp and nice to drive but buyer beware.

And you never thanked a single person just one time?

bobdeb 05-11-2021 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1942760)
So, you are changing the topic from the reliability of a 2-3 year old car to depreciation?
Whatever...

It all depends on mileage and wear and tear. If you drive an EcoBoost turbo like a maniac your reliability comes into play.

If you buy a high mileage vehicle know well what reliability issues might come into play.

If you drive like my wife and put on like 4k miles a year who cares.

High mileage hybrids are a gamble. Cost of repairs are higher than normal.

I've had 3 new BMWs. Never buy another one due to excessive depreciation, reliability and cost of repairs. Oh, look sharp and nice to drive but buyer beware.

And you never thanked a single person just one time?

tuccillo 05-11-2021 12:52 PM
Blah, blah, blah .... As I originally responded to your post (see post #50), a 2-3 year old car does not need to be traded as it is covered by warranty.

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Originally Posted by bobdeb (Post 1942919)
Whatever...

It all depends on mileage and wear and tear. If you drive an EcoBoost turbo like a maniac your reliability comes into play.

If you buy a high mileage vehicle know well what reliability issues might come into play.

If you drive like my wife and put on like 4k miles a year who cares.

High mileage hybrids are a gamble. Cost of repairs are higher than normal.

I've had 3 new BMWs. Never buy another one due to excessive depreciation, reliability and cost of repairs. Oh, look sharp and nice to drive but buyer beware.

And you never thanked a single person just one time?

bobdeb 05-11-2021 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1942930)
Blah, blah, blah ....
So little says so much...

tuccillo 05-11-2021 12:58 PM
Back at you chief.

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Originally Posted by bobdeb (Post 1942935)
So little says so much...


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