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Mrs. Robinson 11-28-2017 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1481701)
I have found fewer errors on the County sites, vs. Zillow's site.

You are correct!
The county sites are 100% accurate.

Zillow is an interesting site but much of it is pipe dreams for the owner or seller, in addition to much of the information being provided by the seller.
Take a lot of what you read with a grain of salt.

graciegirl 11-28-2017 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1482021)
You are correct!
The county sites are 100% accurate.

Zillow is an interesting site but much of it is pipe dreams for the owner or seller, in addition to much of the information being provided by the seller.
Take a lot of what you read with a grain of salt.


Many enjoy watching home prices here. I know I do. . Most homes that are clean, staged well, and competively priced don't last long on the market here in The Villages.

There are still sellers looking to hit a home run and price their homes way too high even with improvements which are often highly personal.

The bottom line. Overpriced homes don't sell. Most people of our age have bought and sold a few homes in their lifetimes and are pretty savvy buyers...and sellers. Much information is available on their computers that wasn't readily available in the past.

Never been a realtor. Not looking for business. Just enjoy watching the market.

graciegirl 11-28-2017 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1481728)
I guess I am missing something here .... why would you want to know what the house sold for last time, or the time before? Surely those numbers have nothing to do with what the house is listed for now - which is what you are going to pay, and if you know what you are doing, you are only going to pay what it is worth to you now!

Someone enlighten me please because this makes no sense to me at all.

If a home sold for 100K less three years ago than it is listed for today, even figuring in improvements and 20K bond paid, ............Or 200K less..........I would have some hesitancy as a buyer.

Chi-Town 11-28-2017 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1481843)
As you say. But it doesn't show you the placement in the neighborhood and where the streets are close to it and just exactly where the view is. (If any)

Download the Zillow app. It shows you the street view, satellite view, and lot lines of the home. With the street view you can travel up and down the street to look at neighboring houses, and with the satellite view you can zoom in on an areal view of the house or back out to see the whole village. And that's just the beginning.




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graciegirl 11-28-2017 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1482117)
Download the Zillow app. It shows you the street view, satellite view, and lot lines of the home. With the street view you can travel up and down the street to look at neighboring houses, and with the satellite view you can zoom in on an areal view of the house or back out to see the whole village. And that's just the beginning.




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Topspinmo 11-28-2017 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1481728)
I guess I am missing something here .... why would you want to know what the house sold for last time, or the time before? Surely those numbers have nothing to do with what the house is listed for now - which is what you are going to pay, and if you know what you are doing, you are only going to pay what it is worth to you now!

Someone enlighten me please because this makes no sense to me at all.


I agree want it sold for in the pass has nothing to do with market value now. IMO the market is flooded right now and prices are lower than few years ago. Unless it's great location and price it will set for awhile.

Topspinmo 11-28-2017 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1482117)
Download the Zillow app. It shows you the street view, satellite view, and lot lines of the home. With the street view you can travel up and down the street to look at neighboring houses, and with the satellite view you can zoom in on an areal view of the house or back out to see the whole village. And that's just the beginning.




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Zillion google earth view not working on my computers, quite working few weeks ago. Anybody else experiencing this?

graciegirl 11-28-2017 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1482160)
I agree want it sold for in the pass has nothing to do with market value now. IMO the market is flooded right now and prices are lower than few years ago. Unless it's great location and price it will set for awhile.

I strongly disagree. If you are talking about homes in The Villages. STRONGLY. DISAGREE.

And respectfully too.

dewilson58 11-28-2017 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1482160)
IMO the market is flooded right now and prices are lower than few years ago.

Might want to look at Lyle's historical sale prices..........values have been going up.

The economy is predicted to remain strong thru 2018, as should housing prices. Beyond 2018, it's a guess........but we are due for a change in the cycle (nationally).

GoodLife 11-28-2017 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1482021)
You are correct!
The county sites are 100% accurate.

Zillow is an interesting site but much of it is pipe dreams for the owner or seller, in addition to much of the information being provided by the seller.
Take a lot of what you read with a grain of salt.

Hmmm Zillow shows 332 homes for sale in The Villages with 50 FSBOs and 282 listed by Realtors and a few foreclosures. The info they give on each home is easily verified, price/tax history, previous listings etc.

GoodLife 11-28-2017 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1482017)


Of course Realtors want their listings to sell fast; so does the home owner!
Most often, a too-high price is because the home owner thinks he is siting on a pot of gold when in fact, he's made a mountain out of a molehill.
It has nothing to do with a weak agent, in most cases.
A well-seasoned Realtor will have paperwork to back up a recommended price while the homeowner pulls a figure out of the sky
.

In so many words, you just repeated my point.

Miles42 11-28-2017 12:54 PM

like a home make an offer. as long as you don' t lowball it could be a starting point.

EPutnam1863 11-28-2017 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1481654)
:yuck:

No age bias please.

Older buyers are far more savvy than younger ones. This isn't our first rodeo.

I am not so sure about their being more savvy. It is surprising how many folks, young and old, out there who are not aware of websites such as Zillow, Trulia, realtor.com, etc.

We sold our house in Melbourne just one hour after we posted it in Zillow for only one dollar. His wife happened to be Internet-savvy and accidentally came across Zillow.

EPutnam1863 11-28-2017 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1482163)
Zillion google earth view not working on my computers, quite working few weeks ago. Anybody else experiencing this?

One great thing about Zillow is that it shows property taxes paid each year and gives the price when sold the last time.

EPutnam1863 11-28-2017 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1481843)
As you say. But it doesn't show you the placement in the neighborhood and where the streets are close to it and just exactly where the view is. (If any)

No offense intended, but the houses in The Villages in same price ranges look pretty much alike. It is impossible (at least for me) to tell what the Villages look like. I do not know if For Sale signs are allowed. If not, then realtors are a must.

The best way to start looking is to attend open houses to get a feel for the village, neighborhood, and price.

graciegirl 11-28-2017 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EPutnam1863 (Post 1482206)
No offense intended, but the houses in The Villages in same price ranges look pretty much alike. It is impossible (at least for me) to tell what the Villages look alike. I do not know if For Sale signs are allowed. If not, then realtors are a must.

The best way to start looking is to attend open houses to get a feel for the village, neighborhood, and price.

The Villages are very much alike, but generally speaking they are older as they go Northeast with the exception of areas added on near 466 about seven years ago. (Bridgeport at Laurel Valley and the Haciendas at Mission Hills) Now there is a new area being built near Nancy Lopez Golf course.


There are areas that do not allow any yard art without permission from the Architectural Board and they are South of 466. There is one village, Harmeswood, North of 466 off Buena Vista that has very very large lots. There are clusters of a few two story homes. There was a suit brought by some people about eight years ago and those areas have different ways of handling things than the rest of the Villages.

The Villages is a CDD. A Community Development District and a census designated destination and it is not run like a city with a mayor etc. The Villagers do NOT make the decisions. Many like that very much and some do not. It is clean as a whistle and has very low crime and as I say, it is hugely successful. The fastest growing area of it's size in all of the United States according to Forbes Magazine.

NO. I don't sell property and I have never met the Morses. But I would like to. I would hug them.

GoodLife 11-28-2017 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EPutnam1863 (Post 1482199)
I am not so sure about their being more savvy. It is surprising how many folks, young and old, out there who are not aware of websites such as Zillow, Trulia, realtor.com, etc.

We sold our house in Melbourne just one hour after we posted it in Zillow for only one dollar. His wife happened to be Internet-savvy and accidentally came across Zillow.

Various websites to search for a home

MLS and Realtor.com - These are homes listed by a Realtor working for a licensed brokerage. These home owners will pay a 6% commission, half to listing agency and half to the buyers agency. But now there are companies that will charge you from $100 to $500 to list your property on MLS and Realtor.com, you as a seller pay only 3% commission to buyers agency. Obviously Realtors don't like this.

Zillow- Here you can see both FSBOs and MLS listings. Listing your home on Zillow costs you nothing and you can offer Realtors a commission or choose to only deal direct with buyers. Savvy buyers can check out FSBOs without an agent and negotiate a discount by dealing directly. Very easy to set up contracts and escrow with a reputable Title company.

VLS - This is The Villages site for resales of homes in the Villages. These also include a 6% commission, I think they only charge 5% if home sells quickly.

There are many others like Redfin, Trulia, FSBO.com etc that allow owners to list their homes for sale.

As a buyer, I like to look at all of them.

Gpsma 11-28-2017 04:01 PM

If you are looking to buy a house here listen to the negatives...there are a lot. Try to ignore those that drank the Kool-aid years ago.

Nothing wrong with TV if you are willing to accept it is a city now and will have tye problems associated with it

EPutnam1863 11-28-2017 05:22 PM

From this we can conclude you have never purchased a very desirable property that had multiple offers at or above the asking price.

We offered 20,000 above the asking price in one place...and lost.

We paid the full price for our current house because when we went to the open house, there was a lot of traffic, and we overheard several people talking about making offers on this house.

We sold one house at the full asking price.

The famed real estate columnist Robert Bruss said that if the house sells in less than 3 weeks, it is underpriced. Three weeks, it is priced just right. If over three weeks, it is overpriced. The longer it takes, the more overpriced it is. Of course, this is when the market is normal.

graciegirl 11-28-2017 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EPutnam1863 (Post 1482294)
From this we can conclude you have never purchased a very desirable property that had multiple offers at or above the asking price.

We offered 20,000 above the asking price in one place...and lost.

We paid the full price for our current house because when we went to the open house, there was a lot of traffic, and we overheard several people talking about making offers on this house.

We sold one house at the full asking price.

The famed real estate columnist Robert Bruss said that if the house sells in less than 3 weeks, it is underpriced. Three weeks, it is priced just right. If over three weeks, it is overpriced. The longer it takes, the more overpriced it is. Of course, this is when the market is normal.

Our realtor told us that you had the best shot in the first ten days a house is on the market. We did all of the things she suggested and we had three offers and a bidding war at nine days and it sold above the asking price. This is our home in Ohio that we left when we moved here.

Mrs. Robinson 11-29-2017 03:48 AM

I don't get it
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1482094)
If a home sold for 100K less three years ago than it is listed for today, even figuring in improvements and 20K bond paid, ............Or 200K less..........I would have some hesitancy as a buyer.


Why would you be hesitant as a buyer three years later, when assuming you know the improvements have value and knowing the bond is paid off?
You make no mention to the current market value, which is the real clue to what the price should be.
And with knowing all the pertinent information regarding the property which is within the realm of being well-priced, you would be hesitant?

zmarkp 11-29-2017 06:49 AM

I paid over market purely for location. Very happy where I am and doubt I'll ever move again.

dewilson58 11-29-2017 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by zmarkp (Post 1482443)
I paid over market purely for location. Very happy where I am and doubt I'll ever move again.

You did not over pay............With an arm's length transaction, you made Market Value by definition.

Congrats on your home!!

Allegiance 11-29-2017 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by zmarkp (Post 1482443)
I paid over market purely for location. Very happy where I am and doubt I'll ever move again.

Location, location, location. Sometimes it's priceless.

Congratulations.

l2ridehd 11-29-2017 08:27 AM

What someone paid is nice to know, but has very little to do with current market value. If they paid more than what it on the market for, does that mean you will offer more? I doubt it.

I have flipped a few homes over the years. Once I bought a lake cottage for 125K on June 15. I spent about 10K to fix a serious problem with a set of stairs going down to the lake. Home set on a high bluff overlooking the lake. On September 1 I sold the home for 250K. I had a buyer who really wanted this place. But they refused to pay market value because they found out what I bought it for. I met them a few years later and they were so sorry they had not bought that cottage. Said it was their biggest regret in real estate. Think about the cottage in the movie "On Golden Pond" This was a replica of that place on a nearby lake.

Market value is market value is market value. Has nothing to do with purchase price. Maybe good information to have but don't base your purchase decision on it. You might lose the perfect home because you are influenced by what the current owner paid.

Allegiance 11-29-2017 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1482480)
What someone paid is nice to know, but has very little to do with current market value. If they paid more than what it on the market for, does that mean you will offer more? I doubt it.

I have flipped a few homes over the years. Once I bought a lake cottage for 125K on June 15. I spent about 10K to fix a serious problem with a set of stairs going down to the lake. Home set on a high bluff overlooking the lake. On September 1 I sold the home for 250K. I had a buyer who really wanted this place. But they refused to pay market value because they found out what I bought it for. I met them a few years later and they were so sorry they had not bought that cottage. Said it was their biggest regret in real estate. Think about the cottage in the movie "On Golden Pond" This was a replica of that place on a nearby lake.

Market value is market value is market value. Has nothing to do with purchase price. Maybe good information to have but don't base your purchase decision on it. You might lose the perfect home because you are influenced by what the current owner paid.

Very true. Also, Sometimes the price paid on record is not an arms length transaction, for various reasons.

kstew43 11-29-2017 09:28 AM

If you are paying cash, price is really irrelevant, if you really want it pay whatever they are asking.....

But, if you are paying with a mortgage, you are subject to a appraisal, and the bank will not finance more than the home is worth, unless you come up with the difference in cash.

just a little information.

l2ridehd 11-29-2017 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kstew43 (Post 1482508)
If you are paying cash, price is really irrelevant, if you really want it pay whatever they are asking.....

But, if you are paying with a mortgage, you are subject to a appraisal, and the bank will not finance more than the home is worth, unless you come up with the difference in cash.

just a little information.

And in most cases the banks appraisal will be at or very close to market value. At least it should be.

graciegirl 11-29-2017 09:52 AM

We fell in love with this place and bought our first home in Hadley. The only time we ever bought real estate emotionally, frivolously and without careful and long consideration.

Excellent choice.

Four years later, we shifted our life from snowbird to year 'rounder and bought our next house here.

Excellent choice.

This place and it's people fit us fine. We have found many, many, folks here who were raised like us and still have the same attitudes and values and sense of fun.

It isn't for everyone. But it is for us.

EPutnam1863 11-29-2017 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1481817)
Uh...where do you think Zillow gets its information? Probably from the SumterPA website. It shows all of the information you have listed.

They get most of their info from county property records and transfer records. It amazes me how few people know that they can see property records of others simply by going to the county website.

EPutnam1863 11-29-2017 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1482516)
And in most cases the banks appraisal will be at or very close to market value. At least it should be.

Correct. The appraiser tries not to screw up the sale, so he is careful not to under-appraise.

EPutnam1863 11-29-2017 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1482464)
You did not over pay............With an arm's length transaction, you made Market Value by definition.

Congrats on your home!!

I think he meant he paid more than the asking price.

EPutnam1863 11-29-2017 10:57 AM

Our realtor had what was called an office tour. All the agents in his office came through and came up with what they thought we should ask for.

Wiotte 11-29-2017 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EPutnam1863 (Post 1482560)
Our realtor had what was called an office tour. All the agents in his office came through and came up with what they thought we should ask for.



Realtors typically refer to this as a caravan.


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EPutnam1863 11-29-2017 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Miles42 (Post 1482195)
like a home make an offer. as long as you don' t lowball it could be a starting point.

This reminds me of one offer that was such a lowball offer ($200,000 less) that it made us angry enough to fire our realtor. That town had such a glut of houses for sale that buyers come in, thinking they could steal properties.

retiredguy123 11-29-2017 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EPutnam1863 (Post 1482774)
This reminds me of one offer that was such a lowball offer ($200,000 less) that it made us angry enough to fire our realtor. That town had such a glut of houses for sale that buyers come in, thinking they could steal properties.

Lowball offers should never make a seller angry. Whenever I have sold a house, I told the realtor to bring all offers to me regardless of how low it is. If it is too low you can just say no or make a counteroffer. There is no reason to be angry. An offer is an offer. That is a good thing.

ColdNoMore 11-29-2017 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1482800)
Lowball offers should never make a seller angry. Whenever I have sold a house, I told the realtor to bring all offers to me regardless of how low it is. If it is too low you can just say no or make a counteroffer. There is no reason to be angry. An offer is an offer. That is a good thing.

:agree:

And getting angry enough to fire your own agent, given that they are required by law to present you with every offer...seems a little strange.

There HAS to be more to that story...there just has to.

CFrance 11-29-2017 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1482464)
You did not over pay............With an arm's length transaction, you made Market Value by definition.

Congrats on your home!!

Is that you, dewilson58?

dewilson58 11-29-2017 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1482807)
Is that you, dewilson58?

Is what me???

It's me, no one else will be me.

:thumbup:

CFrance 11-29-2017 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1482811)
Is what me???

It's me, no one else will be me.

:thumbup:

The avatar. Quite dashing, I say!
(oops... off topic:D)


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