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am.zinger@aol.com 05-17-2020 07:17 AM

If you wait for those in charge to answer, you'll have a beard to rival Rip Van Winkle's.

mydavid 05-17-2020 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by joseppe (Post 1766224)
Just my opinion, but people of different households should not be sitting at the same table. Otherwise I agree, no different than your other scenario. But just because any given situation seems to violate the guideline does not intone that all other situations that violate should be then be OK.

Well said:bigbow:

Lindsyburnsy 05-17-2020 07:28 AM

When it gets right down to it, some people are not going to follow guidelines. Just because the Governor says it's okay to do one thing and not another, it is up to YOU to decide what you want to do to protect yourself and accept responsibility for the risk you feel you can take.

Went to an ice cream stand yesterday. The cement was marked with 6 ft. lines. People came, some with family/friends and others alone. About 60 % of the people wore masks. In the small groups of people, not everyone wore a mask.

All the staff wore masks and gloves, which was the reason we decided to buy ice cream. We wore masks.



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Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow (Post 1766247)
Is outdoor music allowed or not?
Played golf at Belle Glade this afternoon and finished up about 7:00. Lots of people outside eating with tables spaced. However, there was live music and a singer on the outdoor patio and many people were up dancing and partying just like old times.
No social distancing happening on that dance floor. People might say well just don’t go there or why do you care about what they are doing.
I guess because if they are not social distancing and unknowingly spreading the virus and I end up next to them in the grocery store or at an appointment in an office type situation that’s unavoidable then that’s when their behavior affects the rest of us who are trying to follow the guidelines for staying safe by distancing.
If they were just affecting themselves I say Party On and have at it with each other!
Sadly this is not the case with this virus.


Singerlady 05-17-2020 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow (Post 1766247)
Is outdoor music allowed or not?
Played golf at Belle Glade this afternoon and finished up about 7:00. Lots of people outside eating with tables spaced. However, there was live music and a singer on the outdoor patio and many people were up dancing and partying just like old times.
No social distancing happening on that dance floor. People might say well just don’t go there or why do you care about what they are doing.
I guess because if they are not social distancing and unknowingly spreading the virus and I end up next to them in the grocery store or at an appointment in an office type situation that’s unavoidable then that’s when their behavior affects the rest of us who are trying to follow the guidelines for staying safe by distancing.
If they were just affecting themselves I say Party On and have at it with each other!
Sadly this is not the case with this virus.

I wouldn’t be anywhere near a singer at this time. We spit when we sing....disgusting but true!

Singerlady 05-17-2020 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie2383 (Post 1766316)
The phrase Social Distancing is becoming OBNOXIOUS . People are gregarious by nature and if this is how life is going to be until there is a cure, it is going to be a pretty sad commentary. We are in the home stretch here , for those of who think you are going to live forever, have fun sitting your house social distancing with your masks on. I want to enjoy what time I have left on this earth.There is no proven science to this lockdown. You can’t say we are pulling through this because of the so called rules. The experts predicted hundreds of thousands would die even with the lockdown. I’m over it.As for the complainers, sounds like their are too many Golf Cart Ladies in TV. You know the social justice warriors who have their nose in everyones business. If your afraid stay home leave the rest of us alone.

Better safe than sorry...I’m willing to be patient to be ABLE to enjoy the rest of my life. I will stay away from selfish people who are only concerned about themselves and not others. There IS proof that the virus spreads from human contact. Distancing (notice I left off the word ‘social’...because it’s obnoxious) HELPS that until we can get a real handle on this insidious virus. Glad you’re over it. I’m not afraid...I’m just cautious.

TNLAKEPANDA 05-17-2020 07:49 AM

It’s all about politics. It got political real fast. In the beginning they told you to wash your hands and don’t touch your face. People are acting paranoid and crazy. Use some common sense. If you believe that you are at high risk or just prefer to just stay home then do it!

daca55 05-17-2020 07:52 AM

That’s right! There was someone entertaining there last night.

Rodneysblue 05-17-2020 07:58 AM

Live and let live.

Joe C. 05-17-2020 08:01 AM

Don't you people get it ????
The tables need to be 6 feet apart so that the TABLES don't catch anything.
It's not about us.

People won't comply when idiots try to control them.
There is a distinct difference between recommendations, rules and laws.
Laws are enforceable. The others, not.

graciegirl 05-17-2020 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1766421)
Don't you people get it ????
The tables need to be 6 feet apart so that the TABLES don't catch anything.
It's not about us.

People won't comply when idiots try to control them.
There is a distinct difference between recommendations, rules and laws.
Laws are enforceable. The others, not.

Too many people don't believe that teeny tiny varmints can kill you. Some won't buy it unless they can swat it with a fly swatter...………..

Waltdisney4life 05-17-2020 08:10 AM

So 30,000,000 people should go with out food or shelter because 1% of the population might get sick and some will die.
They call this socialism.

Aloha1 05-17-2020 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1766222)
Because Gator's is not public property.
The Villages owns the property that Gator's rents from them.
The Villages decides what can and cannot be done on its property.
The Villages has decided that public outdoor entertainment is not allowed yet.
Gator's violated that decision.

That's why.

Unless such authority was included in their lease, Gator's has a viable lawsuit against the Developer.

shut the front door 05-17-2020 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1766222)
Because Gator's is not public property.
The Villages owns the property that Gator's rents from them.
The Villages decides what can and cannot be done on its property.
The Villages has decided that public outdoor entertainment is not allowed yet.
Gator's violated that decision.

That's why.

The Villages has NOT disallowed outdoor entertainment. They told 1 restaurant to stop. They have allowed it to continue at other places.

Leadbone1 05-17-2020 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1766365)
Because it gives people who like to be angry and complain something to be angry at and complain about.

Exactly. Good post
My point was to try and point out the hypocrisy and stupidity of many of the social distancing guidelines this example was just one. I could come up with probably 25 if I thought about it. One that comes to mind is you have plexiglass between you and the cashier at Publix, while that person is touching every single thing that you’re taking home with you? I wish people would plug their brains in and just think?

wamley 05-17-2020 08:17 AM

Would like to see the lease before I believe that statement.

wamley 05-17-2020 08:19 AM

Exactly, remeber when you hear, This is done for the greater good. What BS.

Leadbone1 05-17-2020 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1766427)
Unless such authority was included in their lease, Gator's has a viable lawsuit against the Developer.

Exactly. When you rent or lease a space as long as you are paying you have all the rights of ownership. Your landlord cannot dictate to you how you run your business. I doubt seriously there’s any language in the lease that says we can control whether you can have music or not? There are a lot of examples of administrators in this country overstepping their legal authority and violating citizens constitutional rights.

Scorpyo 05-17-2020 08:22 AM

Amusing
 
Reading these posts is like watching TV and continually switching between MSNBC and Fox News. Quite amusing.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-17-2020 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1766264)
Salem, MA, 1692-93

It was actually in Salem Village which is now part of Danvers. It's surprising that Salem gets all the attention when nothing ever really happened there.

What is shocking is that if you go to the witch museum and see what actually happened there it is horrendous. Then you exit the museum into the gift shop and see all of these cute little witch items.

davem4616 05-17-2020 08:44 AM

let's face it the "rules" are defined at such a high level that they are absolutely open to everyone's own interpretation on how to implement...businesses that do the exact same thing are not consistent (e.g. Winn Dixie at LSL - the aisles are two way....Publix at Lake Deaton has implemented one-way aisles)

add to that that every restaurant has a different floor plan, some have bars, some don't, some traditionally had live music and want it, some didn't and bingo a recipe for "Heniz 57 variety"

somebody dropped a dime on this restaurant and someone with authority was forced to act (and let's not immediately throw the Morse family under the bus...it could very well have been the manager or the owner that pulled the plug on the music because they didn't want any public backlash)

who? why?.... a lot of people are feeling self-righteous, a lot of folks are playing it safe, and a lot of folks are acting like nothing has changed and things are back to normal

interesting times that we are in

somehow it doesn't feel like we're living in 'the friendliest town' anymore...but I'm not sure any place would feel that way right now

amdubuc 05-17-2020 08:44 AM

Did I not see live music advertised in the Daily Sun at Ednas Yesterday? Villages property?

aallbrand 05-17-2020 08:54 AM

please do not be fooled by 6 ft its just a guideline that has a large margin of error . The way I see it is pick your side. Side one are educated thoughtful people that care about the world and others . They are willing to sacrifice and give up some pleasures for the betterment of the human race. Then we have the others. Selfish ,foolish ,stubborn and no disregard for others . They are the ones who do not wear masks and cant understand why after a life time of listening to live music ,eating at restaurants and doing what ever they would rather help spread a virus then make sacrifices.

Nucky 05-17-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1766215)
Our Florida governor has authorized all outside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart and now 50% of all inside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart. All good!
Yesterday I posted about the music being stopped at Gators because killjoys complained that we irresponsible people were not social distancing as we should be? I felt The Villages was out of line in stopping that as it makes no sense!
So, I have the following question for all the social distancing geniuses and the villages?
(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...

Every once in awhile a Thread or Post really gets to me and this is one of them. People risked their lives to save people who got sick from this Devilish Virus. Is it really that important that a question like this be asked at all? It's what the people in charge want. Why not take your question to them then let us know what you find out. Nobody on this Forum turned off the music or snuffed the party.

I don't question you bringing up the subject but take it easy with your :boxing2: tone!

Take your time with your answer? You've gotta be kidding! Most posts that start like that bring no fruit. They are NOTHING but confrontational. Who do you think you are talking to? We are adults trying to prolong our lives and do mostly smart things. Why not join us? :clap2:

deebrock 05-17-2020 09:03 AM

Well I am thinking everywhere is different. We will all see when and if the virus ramps up how people feel when they know that the social distancing they did was not sufficient. Also if it is not being policed there is nothing any of us can do. Our world has changed and maybe we need to accept it.

GeriS 05-17-2020 09:27 AM

Quarantine is when you restrict the movement of sick people.
Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people.
NEVER in our history have we restricted the movement of healthy people. Open you eyes & think for yourself, & do some research into who is in favor of the lockdown instead of listening to people who have something to gain from this.

Nucky 05-17-2020 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1766215)
Our Florida governor has authorized all outside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart and now 50% of all inside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart. All good!
Yesterday I posted about the music being stopped at Gators because killjoys complained that we irresponsible people were not social distancing as we should be? I felt The Villages was out of line in stopping that as it makes no sense!
So, I have the following question for all the social distancing geniuses and the villages?
(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...

I question why you ask your question on TOTV'S when nobody here has the Juice to anything about your concern. Why not aim your question at the higher-ups who pulled the plug on your music?

I recommend you don't start your conversation with them by telling them to take their time with the answer they may or may not have. Talking down to others on this Forum is generally not accepted very well.

Let us know how you make out and get the names of the people you contact.

George Page 05-17-2020 09:43 AM

I don’t like the fact that my chance of survival is somehow linked to socially irresponsible people displaying a lack of common sense.

coffeebean 05-17-2020 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1766319)
Exactly. And several people at one table is allowed if from the same family. And as earlier, if you dont like the setup, stay home!


What a joke that guideline is, especially for here in The Villages. I would bet money those tables for eight set up in the middle of Beef O'Grady's were not going to be occupied by family members all living in the same house hold. Social distancing? Hardly.

PugMom 05-17-2020 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by George Page (Post 1766545)
I don’t like the fact that my chance of survival is somehow linked to socially irresponsible people displaying a lack of common sense.

but if you are isolating inside all this time, my wearing or not wearing a mask should'nt affect you, right? you will be nowhere near me

coffeebean 05-17-2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1766336)
Maybe they are for families?


Don't think so. More like golfing groups.....just like it always was.

coffeebean 05-17-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Singerlady (Post 1766385)
I wouldn’t be anywhere near a singer at this time. We spit when we sing....disgusting but true!

That is for sure. I've been in the first row of a theater and can see the droplets flying across the stage. It is expected especially when watching Nathan Lane and Mathew Broderick perform together. Spit droplets everywhere!

coffeebean 05-17-2020 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1766434)
Exactly. Good post
My point was to try and point out the hypocrisy and stupidity of many of the social distancing guidelines this example was just one. I could come up with probably 25 if I thought about it. One that comes to mind is you have plexiglass between you and the cashier at Publix, while that person is touching every single thing that you’re taking home with you? I wish people would plug their brains in and just think?

The plexiglass is there to protect the employee, not us. As for the groceries that I bring home.....who knows how many people touch every item in a grocery store? Lots, I'm sure, even shoppers who seem to want to touch lots of things then put them back on the shelves. What I do is sanitize every single item that comes into my house with the exception of items packaged in cardboard boxes. Items that are packaged in cardboard boxes are set aside in a holding area in my laundry room for at least 3 days before I put them away. It is a royal PIA to have to do this but it is the safe way to go.

Manhoopty 05-17-2020 10:23 AM

The reason that we are no longer interested in moving here anymore after 11 years of visiting.

FAR too many “busy bodies” who just can’t mind their own damn business!!!

coffeebean 05-17-2020 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by deebrock (Post 1766498)
Well I am thinking everywhere is different. We will all see when and if the virus ramps up how people feel when they know that the social distancing they did was not sufficient. Also if it is not being policed there is nothing any of us can do. Our world has changed and maybe we need to accept it.

OR......didn't do at all.

coffeebean 05-17-2020 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1766529)
Quarantine is when you restrict the movement of sick people.
Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people.
NEVER in our history have we restricted the movement of healthy people. Open you eyes & think for yourself, & do some research into who is in favor of the lockdown instead of listening to people who have something to gain from this.

This has been said so many times by the media, the Coronavirus task force and here on TOTV.........there are asymptomatic people who are shedding virus and are infecting others and they had no idea they were infecting others. These asymptomatic folks have no idea they carry the virus. THIS is the reason "healthy" people had to adhere to shelter in place guidelines AKA quarantine. Unless tested every day, no one knows if they carry the virus or not if they do not have any symptoms.

I have read that as many as 50% of people who have been tested do not have symptoms. There is not enough testing or testing that is accurate enough to make it safe enough to drop all restrictions. We will be socializing at a distance for quite some time. Like the way I put a spin on that obnoxious term?

popbaby2 05-17-2020 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1766434)
Exactly. Good post
My point was to try and point out the hypocrisy and stupidity of many of the social distancing guidelines this example was just one. I could come up with probably 25 if I thought about it. One that comes to mind is you have plexiglass between you and the cashier at Publix, while that person is touching every single thing that you’re taking home with you? I wish people would plug their brains in and just think?

The plexiglass is to protect the cashier....

coffeebean 05-17-2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1766562)
but if you are isolating inside all this time, my wearing or not wearing a mask should'nt affect you, right? you will be nowhere near me

That is not the case for many people. Sheltering in place still has people going to grocery stores, pharmacies, Home Depot and other essential goods establishments. Why should people who wish to remain safe have to huddle in their homes and NEVER EVER leave because of the folks who refuse to social distance or wear a mask when social distancing is not possible?

Pickleballer3 05-17-2020 10:58 AM

Has anyone heard when pickleball may start again?

champion6 05-17-2020 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pickleballer3 (Post 1766612)
Has anyone heard when pickleball may start again?

Tomorrow, Monday, May 18. Check this week's Recreation News that was in Thursday's Daily Sun.

Pickleballer3 05-17-2020 11:16 AM

Wow, thanks for the information!


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