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alan5676 04-03-2020 06:39 AM

Carefree

BlackhawksFan 04-03-2020 06:53 AM

I'll take entitled for 1000 Alex
 
You really don't get why you're labeled entitled? Just go for a ride and look around. Take a good hard look.

I see people not giving a s #^& about the guidelines trying to keep us all safe. Sure golf courses are open but I'm seeing two to a cart sitting on top of each other. I drove through Sumter Landing earlier this week and there were nearly 20 people under the canopies at the top of the boardwalk all close together another half dozen or so sitting within a foot or so of each other by the radio station.

Then I looked to the square where there were several groups congregating and having a good old time. Some were even using the plastic chairs set out by The Villages. You do know the virus lives on plastic and metal right?

Then as I drove up past Red Sauce and City Fire there was a group of four tailgating, tables, chairs a little wine and cheese party.

This is why the the entitled label is thrown around because many feel the rules do not apply to them. The longer people keep doing this and creating potential exposures to the virus the longer we will be in this situation.

I'm not thrilled about being at home all the time but I'm trying to do my part. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

PaulUnderwood 04-03-2020 06:56 AM

Why not pick up the BIBLE and read Romans 1: 18-32

DecaturFargo 04-03-2020 06:57 AM

People are called entitled, when they intentionally break rules and think thecrules apply to everyone but them.

Klatu 04-03-2020 07:10 AM

One point is particularly relevant: most folks are following the guidance but some are not. We see the ones who are not, but we do not see the greater number of folks who ARE following the guidelines...they are INSIDE or in their own yards. And let's face it, in any group, there are some who follow the guidelines like mature adults, being considerate of others, and there are those who never escaped the middle school fixation on self. Such is it now, such it has always been.

luis s 04-03-2020 07:16 AM

Yes entitled is a great word for the Villagers. They also dont care about playing with peaoples lives or theirs. Why would i have a service call at this time because my light is out in my refrigerator or in my microwave or my ref. is making noise, my dishwasher does not clean properly. Really so that is worth having a tech out to your home that has been to maybe 10 other homes oh yes they are taking protective steps like they wear gloves it might be tha same gloves they have been wearing for the entire day because their company is not supplying them. Wake up and get a Life...

stan the man 04-03-2020 07:25 AM

be careful it is possible to overdose on Kool-aid. Results are tunnel vision

riamd1954 04-03-2020 07:31 AM

Stop this already ate you in grade school?!!

dmarti1973 04-03-2020 07:41 AM

I actually laughed when reading the initial post and then the comments. Who needs any other entertainment??

msilagy 04-03-2020 07:41 AM

If you act like an entitled person - guess what - you are an entitled person. This virus is serious - people are dying and fighting for their lives - healthcare workers putting their lives on the line - while SOME villagers partying at the square - worrying about playing golf and if their amenity fees should be reduced. What does that sound like when they should be self isolating and practicing social distancing! Sounds like YOU may be one even making the statements you did.

cwwilber@gmail.com 04-03-2020 07:45 AM

You've got to be kidding me.

graciegirl 04-03-2020 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by luis s (Post 1739366)
Yes entitled is a great word for the Villagers. They also dont care about playing with peaoples lives or theirs. Why would i have a service call at this time because my light is out in my refrigerator or in my microwave or my ref. is making noise, my dishwasher does not clean properly. Really so that is worth having a tech out to your home that has been to maybe 10 other homes oh yes they are taking protective steps like they wear gloves it might be tha same gloves they have been wearing for the entire day because their company is not supplying them. Wake up and get a Life...

Luis? Are you angry at all of us? I doubt few are calling your company to have their refrigerator lights replaced yesterday or today. If you are still being called by the owner of your company to do these things and you feel you are endangering others or being endangered, I am sure you can choose to refuse to go. Me and mine know how to fix lights in our refrigerator or know to do without in a pandemic. Most of us don't deserve for you to say to us, "Wake up and get a life". I think you are just scared like we all are.

soniak4@gmail.com 04-03-2020 07:51 AM

If you are not guilty, move on. Why worry about it?? If you behave in a way that shows you are not more important than anyone else, ignore the comments. I have seen this behavior from many residents of The Villages. I have seen people cut in lines, cut off drivers, treat people rudely because they cannot do what they want to do, abuse amenities, disregard guidelines and rules, and I can go on and on. I know I don’t do any of those things so, calling me any of those names, does not bother me because I know who I am. But, you cannot disagree that there are more entitled people living here than we all like. If I am guilty of being entitled, I always tell the people with whom I associate most to call me on it. If and when they do, I apologize and change my behavior. I appreciate everything The Villages has to offer and feel blessed that I am able to live here. So again, if you behave well, move on and continue and maybe more people will model your behavior.

crc19188 04-03-2020 07:59 AM

Lets play a game. All that call each other names pick up a rock. Go in front of a mirror. Now look in the mirror and throw the rock. What happened. Those that think they live in a glass house should not throw rocks. Speak nicely of your brother and sister for what you say about them you say about my Father in Heaven. In these tough times please show the compassion That Christ did to all those that crossed his path. Remember Easter is coming and the most glorious day ever. He rose from the dead after dying for all of our sins and still asking GOD to forgive us. AMEN

graciegirl 04-03-2020 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by soniak4@gmail.com (Post 1739408)
If you are not guilty, move on. Why worry about it?? If you behave in a way that shows you are not more important than anyone else, ignore the comments. I have seen this behavior from many residents of The Villages. I have seen people cut in lines, cut off drivers, treat people rudely because they cannot do what they want to do, abuse amenities, disregard guidelines and rules, and I can go on and on. I know I don’t do any of those things so, calling me any of those names, does not bother me because I know who I am. But, you cannot disagree that there are more entitled people living here than we all like. If I am guilty of being entitled, I always tell the people with whom I associate most to call me on it. If and when they do, I apologize and change my behavior. I appreciate everything The Villages has to offer and feel blessed that I am able to live here. So again, if you behave well, move on and continue and maybe more people will model your behavior.

I was born and will die wondering WHY people do the things they do and say the things they say. Certainly the patient ones, the forgiving ones, the responsible ones, are considered, by some to be more valuable. But what if we are born with more or less empathy, more or less feelings for others, more or less intelligence, more or less "common sense"? I think there is more to that theory than we thought before. I don't throw out free choice, but we all weren't dealt the same hand. As I age, I become more progressive AND more traditional in my thoughts. I have lived long enough to see children grow up and even with the best parents, go through life making one foolish decision after the other. I have watched children I taught who had every reason to fail in life, become remarkable successes. I watched my own kids emerge from birth with a personality they have kept for fifty years. It is always interesting to me, why people are the way they are. I am still glad I smacked my kids when they needed it. But I wonder just how much difference it made. They may have just got all the genetic good stuff from their dad and that is why they are good people.

Ray Gilbert 04-03-2020 08:14 AM

Just off the cuff...does anyone know if there is a website that discloses the addresses of those unfortunate folks who had had the virus, or better yet, those who currently have it. I'm sure that would reduce walking, biking, and golf cart traffic in those areas. It would be nice to know where not to go, now that the Covid-19 virus is believed to be airborne.

dunmyer 04-03-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1738960)
So......what would you like to call those who do not adhere to the guidelines? Think of another word other than "entitled". OK.....GO!!!

What exactly are the guidelines? Aren’t they stay 6 feet away from someone else, wash your hands.

chvlt57 04-03-2020 08:21 AM

When I consider the restrictions being put on our lives I immediately think of "The Greatest Generation" who suffered through food rationing, limited gas supplies, growing Victory gardens to feed their families, hardships that lasted more than 30 days. Did they feel put out by their plight or did they realize how small their sacrifice was compared to tens of thousands dying around the world.

nututv 04-03-2020 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by diane reynolds (Post 1739285)
I am privileged by skin color ---white, and education....

haha Now that's sad.

PugMom 04-03-2020 08:51 AM

pardon me for saying, but this is a very low-quality thread. all bickering, bored, locked-up-in-the-house blues:faint:

mtlee024 04-03-2020 08:57 AM

You go, I agree with you. Let people be people.

LI SNOWBIRD 04-03-2020 09:01 AM

Thanks
 
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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1738994)
Dunning-Kruger Effect?

Your use of the Dunning-Kruger Effect caused me to look it up. I now learned something.

manaboutown 04-03-2020 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 1739343)
You really don't get why you're labeled entitled? Just go for a ride and look around. Take a good hard look.

I see people not giving a s #^& about the guidelines trying to keep us all safe. Sure golf courses are open but I'm seeing two to a cart sitting on top of each other. I drove through Sumter Landing earlier this week and there were nearly 20 people under the canopies at the top of the boardwalk all close together another half dozen or so sitting within a foot or so of each other by the radio station.

Then I looked to the square were there were several groups congregating and having a good old time. Some were even using the plastic chairs set out by The Villages. You do know the virus lives on plastic and metal right?

Then as I drove up past Red Sauce and City Fire there was a group of four tailgating, tables, chairs a little wine and cheese party.

This is why the the entitled label is thrown around because many feel the rules do not apply to them. The longer people keep doing this and creating potential exposures to the virus the longer we will be in this situation.

I'm not thrilled about being at home all the time but I'm trying to do my part. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

Well said! Thank you for presenting your observations of noncompliant thoughtless behavior by "the entitled" that ultimately puts others at risk.

tomhinz 04-03-2020 09:12 AM

What is with these people who cannot or will not obey the rules to protect everyone?

Eg_cruz 04-03-2020 09:17 AM

I think it is because things like the block parties all week last week, the on going pickle ball games, the gathering of 15 golfers standing in front of Lopez, the tennis ladies gathering everyday, the way they just walk of the curb without looking and the attitude that they forget that they once worked for a living.....is where the “entitlement” comments come from. Don’t get me wrong there are wonderful giving people here some of the best people I have ever met......it like too much salt in the stew where you just can’t get passed the taste to eat the pot of stew.

Boomer 04-03-2020 09:23 AM

wow

When I posted early in this thread, saying, “Dunning-Kruger Effect,” I thought the OP was talking about those people who refuse to stay put during these surreal times. Their behavior creeps me out.

Also creeping me out is the thinking of some who believe they are “entitled” to know the home addresses of Villagers who have the virus.

I wish I had never looked at this thread.

woodywdmt 04-03-2020 10:22 AM

Just ignore it. the term is not accurate and is not worthy of concern. you know what they say about opinions.

nututv 04-03-2020 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray Gilbert (Post 1739431)
does anyone know if there is a website that discloses the addresses of those unfortunate folks who had had the virus, or better yet, those who currently have it.

Surely you aren't serious? You are aren't you.

ffresh 04-03-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1738960)
So......what would you like to call those who do not adhere to the guidelines? Think of another word other than "entitled". OK.....GO!!!

RIGHT or WRONG:

Free thinkers, non lemmings, lacking in herd mentality, those who think for themselves … regardless of what anyone else thinks, free men, and (drum roll, please) people who have to venture out to earn a living/keep their businesses viable, in spite of edicts issued by politicians who occasionally might have the publics' interest in mind if it corresponds with "the agenda". Everyone else can just stay six feet away from them and "wash your hands" :a040:

Malibu paddleboarder arrested for violating stay-at-home order | Fox News

Fred :duck:

sk450 04-03-2020 10:48 AM

You people are like a pack of jackals turning on them self. You can't fix stupid

ffresh 04-03-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by diane reynolds (Post 1739285)
When I think of myself, I am privileged by skin color ---white, and education, and having great parents. Many times those who are privileged, instead of being grateful for their privilege and giving to those in lesser circumstances, take the leap toward entitlement. Like "I deserve (whatever) because I have worked hard." However, what these folks do not acknowledge is the fact that being a male, white, heterosexual, Christian, tall, well educated has opened doors they knew nothing about.

Sorry but being a male, white, heterosexual, Christian, is more likely to get one persecuted these days than "open doors" that you speak of. And, to add salt to the wound, most of those doors have been "constructed" by the very ones who are now being "shut out" Not sure how "tall" opens any doors unless the door handle is near the top of the door :icon_wink:

Fred

Rosie1950 04-03-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by luis s (Post 1739366)
Yes entitled is a great word for the Villagers. They also dont care about playing with peaoples lives or theirs. Why would i have a service call at this time because my light is out in my refrigerator or in my microwave or my ref. is making noise, my dishwasher does not clean properly. Really so that is worth having a tech out to your home that has been to maybe 10 other homes oh yes they are taking protective steps like they wear gloves it might be tha same gloves they have been wearing for the entire day because their company is not supplying them. Wake up and get a Life...

Totally agree. Yesterday I didn’t like the way my dishwasher cleaned the load. Got on my hands and knees with the light from my cellphone started looking around. The bottom of the dishwasher to say the least didn’t look so good SO I googled how to clean the model I have.
FOUND IT. step by step gotta say disgusting job (NEVER owned a dishwasher before) cleaning it and disinfecting it took longer than taking it apart and putting it together.
Most of these jobs can be competed with a little research, don’t even need any know how
Just saying, better than having outsiders in house right now

graciegirl 04-03-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1739506)
wow

When I posted early in this thread, saying, “Dunning-Kruger Effect,” I thought the OP was talking about those people who refuse to stay put during these surreal times. Their behavior creeps me out.

Also creeping me out is the thinking of some who believe they are “entitled” to know the home addresses of Villagers who have the virus.

I wish I had never looked at this thread.

Many would think as I did, that the poster was wondering if the person who got sick lived on his street or the one over and wondered if he or his wife might have been exposed before we all knew what we know now. People are worried. I don't think the OP was wondering where the case was out of meanness, or pointing the person out like they were a "leper" but just wondering if they came to his woodworking shop or his wife's painting class. People are scared and this is just part of it. Wondering when it will happen to us or our near neighbors and friends. Boomer I know you value anonymity but many of us are not afraid to say who they are. If we got it, I would tell I had it and where I lived. Just out of information and kindness.

rlcooper70 04-03-2020 11:32 AM

I love you Plato quote ... as long as we recall that most of what Plato wrote was the words of his mentor, Socrates. Even his "Republic" is a rendition of conversations Socrates was having with his students .. Glaucoma and someone else. Take another look at the Allegory of the Cave (Plato's Republic ... Socrates conversation).

rlcooper70 04-03-2020 11:34 AM

IF you do not want to label people who are congregating without regard for spreading the virus .. the same people who forced the closure of the pools ... do you want to just assume they are "low IQ" people who believe the president? What's wrong with "entitled" or "inconsiderate" ... seems pretty polite to me.

ffresh 04-03-2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1739293)
When people call others “entitled” in a pejorative way these days, what they often mean is this: “believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.” The important word here is “inherently.” We all know people who ACT as if doing something is their “God-given right” (“endowed by their creator”), that is, inherent right, a right with which one is born.

But originally, many centuries ago, the word meant one “held the title” to something. If you held the title to a piece of property, you were “entitled.” It was yours by legal right! If someone borrowed money from you and gave you a contract promising to repay you, you were “entitled” to that money.

If you own a home in The Villages, you are legally “entitled” to live there. If you pay your amenities fees, you are “entitled” to do certain things that outsiders are NOT entitled to do, such as use the executive golf courses or swim in the pools. (Apart from the current emergency.) If you pay for special privileges at the country clubs, you are “entitled” to them. If you paid money to the Social Security Administration for decades, you are “entitled” to receive your Social Security check. If you are 65 or older and a U.S. citizen, you are legally “entitled” to receive Medicare. If you put aside money in your retirement fund for decades, you are “entitled” to spend that money after you retire. It is your legal right.

Social Security and Medicare, and also other programs like Medicaid, and welfare payments of various kinds, are classified by the government as “entitlements” because if one meets the requirements, one has the legal right to receive them, and the government has the legal responsibility to pay them. Some of these entitlements are partly covered by what one has contributed, and some are not—they are gifts, but gifts to which people are “entitled” by law.

So yes, if you live in The Villages and own your home and pay your dues (that is, what is DUE to someone if you want to enjoy that to which you are entitled), then you ARE “entitled.” You are ENTITLED to it, in the good sense of the word, and you are free to enjoy it without guilt. Likewise, people on welfare are also “entitled,” because they are legally “entitled” to the services and payments they receive.

You DESERVE the treatment to which you are “entitled”. Name it and claim it! Just don’t prance around acting as if you are INHERENTLY “entitled” to special treatment. That offends almost everyone. With “entitlements” come duties. Wealthy people who come from old money (few if any in The Villages) are taught from childhood that quiet politeness, courtesy, grace, cordiality, modesty, kindness, respect, are what one gives or shows to avoid being called “entitled” in the bad sense of the term.

You had me all the way, TRULY, and I was ready to compliment you on an informative post (most of it still is :icon_wink: ) until you wrote the following:

Social Security and Medicare, and also other programs like Medicaid, and welfare payments of various kinds, are classified by the government as “entitlements” because if one meets the requirements, one has the legal right to receive them, and the government has the legal responsibility to pay them. Some of these entitlements are partly covered by what one has contributed, and some are not—they are gifts, but gifts to which people are “entitled” by law.

Many Americans (I limit it to Americans because our form of government is a Constitutional Republic and not a European "Social Democracy"), I believe, feel that helping those in need should be (as it once was) a function of charitable organizations, not a function of government. We all know this is fodder for a different discussion BUT, being entitled to monies from the public treasury, solely because one belongs to a certain class or socio-economic group is "quite a stretch" … except in the mind of a politician. The other programs you mention are "entitlements" due to the contributions of the entitled individuals. "Gifts", being considered as entitlements, is, once again, "quite a stretch."

ENTITLED | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
ENTITLED | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
entitled meaning: 1. feeling that you have the right to do or have what you want without having to work for it or….

Fred

Boomer 04-03-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1739601)
Many would think as I did, that the poster was wondering if the person who got sick lived on his street or the one over and wondered if he or his wife might have been exposed before we all knew what we know now. People are worried. I don't think the OP was wondering where the case was out of meanness, or pointing the person out like they were a "leper" but just wondering if they came to his woodworking shop or his wife's painting class. People are scared and this is just part of it. Wondering when it will happen to us or our near neighbors and friends. Boomer I know you value anonymity but many of us are not afraid to say who they are. If we got it, I would tell I had it and where I lived. Just out of information and kindness.

But, Gracie, that would be your choice — like Chris Cuomo broadcasting from quarantine in his basement and sharing his experience with anybody who wants to watch.

He is in the position to reach a lot of people to give more information in hope of getting the attention of those who think it cannot happen to them or if it does it will be no big deal.

His symptoms are hellish, even though he is relatively young and healthy.

You state you would be very open, too, motivated to respond by going public, to be kind as a benefit to others, and with an attempt to educate. Like I said — your choice.

I think anyone diagnosed has the choice as an individual as to whether to go public or not. BUT that is very different from expecting home addresses to be published for everyone to see. Not everyone would be kind in their attitudes toward the sick. It could get so intrusive and the fallout could grow arms and legs — the spectrum of human nature being what it is.

Back in Ohio, some areas are publishing by zip code, with the names of the suburbs, but that’s it. I have no problem with that generalized info. But for an outside source to publish someone’s actual address is just plain wrong.

The right to choose to be public or private is built in to our wiring. I am certainly not a hermit, nor am I an introvert. But like most posters on TOTV, I do prefer to remain private about who I really am.

I am not remaining private so that I can be mean. Sometimes I can get a little sassy, but that is rare, and pretty gentle. It is usually because I think someone is being condescending or getting caught up in that “Us vs. Them” mentality that is so destructive and is permeating our country. But I would likely sass that person face-to-face, too, and/or choose not be around them.

Oh well, I gotta be me and you gotta be you.

Stay well and sensible please — all of you.

Sincerely,
Boomer

TexaninVA 04-03-2020 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1739292)
WOW, way to throw the guilt around!!!! Bet you were raised Catholic....:MOJE_whot:

I can relate to that! :thumbup:

jet10s 04-03-2020 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1739141)
It has more to do with the behavior then what's posted on here. As we grow, it will, most likely, get worse. The foursome standing next too each other, the people that can't count in the swimming pools, the battle over TP in the paper isle, the person that crowds you in a check out line because they are in a hurry...lot of examples where people's behavior identifies who they are, so it's not name calling, it's identifying behavior and previous posts have identified alternatives but, it's still the same. Pass the salt :)

Yes -- if the shoe fits wear it

cvmredbarn 04-03-2020 06:07 PM

You are entitled to your own opinions


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