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Catalina36 09-14-2022 07:25 AM

Municipal Bonds
 
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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2136260)
High interest return is finally showing come back and nice to see.

I just wish we could accumulate some interest without the taxes.

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villager7591 09-14-2022 07:27 AM

You're penalized for good, successful decisions in our country.

mrf0151 09-14-2022 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2136450)
With oil declining from peak, there will be less inflation pressure on goods, however, labor inflation lags goods / rent inflation and now we are seeing the effects of labor inflation, and the only way to reduce labor inflation is to reduce job growth, which when due to a pandemic and those in their 60's retiring early, results in a labor shortage, means that the Fed may have to follow the Volker formula, and many are betting that won't happen. . .

Just remember that your house is NOT an investment. there is no revenue generated by it and there are only expenses associated with it. a car is also not an investment, just future junk. And in the villages, houses can come close to future junk with no wills/trusts, etc

Houses do produce income. Remember some of us have own rental properties. All part of the retirement income portfolio.

Caymus 09-14-2022 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2136415)
Without wishing to make matters seem worse, you could think of an 8.3% level of inflation as the need to work one month out of the year for no income. Kinda puts things into perspective.


Plus, the 4 to 5 months needed just to pay taxes.

Blueblaze 09-14-2022 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2136376)
I would agree that real inflation is higher more like 15% or so. Do think that the higher interest rates will reduce economic activity most likely a recession that will help to end inflation or at least bring it back to more tolerable numbers

OK, I'll play. Name something that's only up 15%.

Will raising rates end inflation? That's the only thing the FED is willing to do, but that's not the real solution. The real solution is to STOP PRINTING FAKE MONEY. In fact, in the history of the world, the only thing that's ever solved 50% inflation is to ISSUE A NEW CURRENCY and then DON'T INFLATE IT.

Yes, raising the rate the FED charges banks for their fake money, discourages banks from taking it, but not enough to convince them to quit paying the FED and start paying YOU. THAT would allow a real "soft landing", by attracting REAL INVESTMENT. Or, at least it would, if inflation wasn't already at these astronomic levels. At this point, I don't see any solution.

Mortgage rates are now over 6%. Is your savings account making any more than it was a year ago? There's your clue. For the 100 years prior to the 2008 crash, when Obama effectively nationalized the banking system, you could get 4.25% in any passbook savings account, through inflation, depression, recession, and what-have you. The banks WANTED and NEEDED your money. Now they don't. How do we recover from a banking system that doesn't want investment from the real economy?

OhioBuckeye 09-14-2022 08:03 AM

Do you have any idea’s why it’s so high?

Stu from NYC 09-14-2022 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2136503)
OK, I'll play. Name something that's only up 15%.

Will raising rates end inflation? That's the only thing the FED is willing to do, but that's not the real solution. The real solution is to STOP PRINTING FAKE MONEY. In fact, in the history of the world, the only thing that's ever solved 50% inflation is to ISSUE A NEW CURRENCY and then DON'T INFLATE IT.

Yes, raising the rate the FED charges banks for their fake money, discourages banks from taking it, but not enough to convince them to quit paying the FED and start paying YOU. THAT would allow a real "soft landing", by attracting REAL INVESTMENT. Or, at least it would, if inflation wasn't already at these astronomic levels. At this point, I don't see any solution.

Mortgage rates are now over 6%. Is your savings account making any more than it was a year ago? There's your clue. For the 100 years prior to the 2008 crash, when Obama effectively nationalized the banking system, you could get 4.25% in any passbook savings account, through inflation, depression, recession, and what-have you. The banks WANTED and NEEDED your money. Now they don't. How do we recover from a banking system that doesn't want investment from the real economy?

Agree 100%. The fed is doing what it can to stop inflation. The real culprit is just adding fuel to the fire

Sherry8bal 09-14-2022 09:12 AM

They'll say anything to make things look better when it definitely isn't. Food and gas are the major expenditures for most families.

rsmurano 09-14-2022 09:27 AM

Not true, it’s year over year not just 8 months. Actually the inflation is much worse month over month, I heard it’s over 11%. Gas was low years ago because we let the companies drill, we were an exporter of oil, compared to now which we are dependent on our enemies to drill oil for us. Gas is down now because we are depleting our national reserves which we shouldn’t be doing.
The reason why the market tanked yesterday was because they were looking for a bigger drop in inflation and it was higher than anticipated, and that’s after the federal reserve started raising rates. This month the federal reserve is going to start selling $90b of assets which will start to have a negative aspect to the economy.
I heard from an ex federal reserve member on TV that the only way to get inflation down is to have interest rates at the same level as inflation. If they raise rates .75-1%, we will be in a deeper recession

Rainger99 09-14-2022 10:44 AM

Social Security may go up 8.7% next year!!
 
The good news is that Social Security recipients may receive an 8.7% cost-of-living adjustment next year. That would be the largest increase since 1982!

The average recipient will receive about $144 a month extra! Now we can all go to Sawgrass!

golfing eagles 09-14-2022 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2136580)
You would have to be able to think first.

I do so hope that was a general statement and not directed at me, I'd hate to have to leave the Village of Stu:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Stu from NYC 09-14-2022 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2136585)
I do so hope that was a general statement and not directed at me, I'd hate to have to leave the Village of Stu:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

It was not directed at you at all. As long as rent is paid on time you are still a resident and entitled to all the amenities we have to offer that we have not yet taken away.

golfing eagles 09-14-2022 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2136605)
It was not directed at you at all. As long as rent is paid on time you are still a resident and entitled to all the amenities we have to offer that we have not yet taken away.

But should I spend hours and hours comparing my amenity fee to my neighbors then whine about a $2.98 difference?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

La lamy 09-14-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2136467)
What have interest rates been in Canada the past 10 years??

If you can only invest $6000, even at 5% interest (haven’t seen that high a rate in years), you would only get $300.

And is that just interest that is tax free or is it capital gains and dividends?

Canada's interest rates are very similar to US. ALL interest accrued in whichever way you choose (including dividends and capital gains) are tax free in a TFSA. $6000 a year can add up and make a difference, but we also have RRSP vehicles that are a tax deductible vehicle. Google it for more info if you wish.

Stu from NYC 09-14-2022 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2136614)
But should I spend hours and hours comparing my amenity fee to my neighbors then whine about a $2.98 difference?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Maybe not hours and hours but perhaps you should spend a little time. Can we compromise at 5 minutes once a week?

golfing eagles 09-14-2022 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2136676)
Maybe not hours and hours but perhaps you should spend a little time. Can we compromise at 5 minutes once a week?

59.6 cents/minute/week? Probably a bit overpriced for that nonsense:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

melpetezrinski 09-14-2022 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2136450)
With oil declining from peak, there will be less inflation pressure on goods, however, labor inflation lags goods / rent inflation and now we are seeing the effects of labor inflation, and the only way to reduce labor inflation is to reduce job growth, which when due to a pandemic and those in their 60's retiring early, results in a labor shortage, means that the Fed may have to follow the Volker formula, and many are betting that won't happen. . .

Just remember that your house is NOT an investment. there is no revenue generated by it and there are only expenses associated with it. a car is also not an investment, just future junk. And in the villages, houses can come close to future junk with no wills/trusts, etc

An investment must generate revenue and can't have expenses? So, a technology ETF that generally doesn't pay dividends and has an expense ratio is NOT an investment? I can certainly understand the "house is not an investment" perspective but I've always considered my primary homes as investments. If I need to conform to your definition, I view capital appreciation as the revenue and I would be paying MORE of those expenses if I rented.

tophcfa 09-14-2022 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2136577)
The good news is that Social Security recipients may receive an 8.7% cost-of-living adjustment next year.

And the bad news is that will make the social security fund go dry even sooner.

kkingston57 09-14-2022 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2136249)
For those who may have spare money to invest, check into iBonds. Max is $10k per individual. 9.2% interest annually for next six months. Gvt re evaluates interest every six months. A solid investment and
way to safely park $10k per person with very good return.

Google I bond for details. Only individuals can purchase thru US Treasury Direct Website.

Only "problem" is that you can only invest 10k per person and 15K if you overpay estimated taxes and you can add $5K if your tax refund is 5K or more.

kkingston57 09-14-2022 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2136339)
Can anyone name anything that's ONLY 8.3% higher than last year?

It looks more like 50%, when I walk the aisles at Wal-Mart, or fill my tank, or read my tax appraisal, or pay my insurance bill.

But Good News Everybody! My Social Security check went up 7% this year! (But then they hiked my Medicare bill 20%, so there's that).

Gee, you don't think this could be related somehow to paying everybody a bunch of monopoly money to take a year off and hide in their basement from Covid, do you? Whodathunk that would cause problems?

I'm trying think of a country that ever survived 50% inflation, and I'm drawing a blank. Maybe our gooberment just "identifies" with 8.3%! Everybody knows, that's not the same as lying, right? That could work, right?

Go to Aldi, there prices have stayed the same for many items, particularly dairy products.

Also warehouse stores still very fairly priced. Still can get a fully cooked chicken for $4.99 at Sams and BJ. Bought jumbo shrimp for <$10 a pound. $1.50 for head of lettuce. Don't forget the 1/4 pound hot dog with a drink for $1.50

Full-timer 09-14-2022 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2136152)
Inflation is still high - it was 8.5% in July and it was 8.3% in August.

I saw one article that said if you exclude food and gas, inflation was "only" 6.3%. However, I don't know why you would exclude two items that are necessary to survive. Maybe you could exclude entertainment or travel - which are more discretionary spending than food and gas.

Wrong. Inflation NEVER includes fuel and food. Look it up for crying out loud.
Shut off what you are listening to.

Caymus 09-14-2022 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Full-timer (Post 2136764)
Wrong. Inflation NEVER includes fuel and food. Look it up for crying out loud.
Shut off what you are listening to.

Depends on the inflation indicator. Most people refer to the CPI which includes food and energy. Core inflation does not include those components.

CoachKandSportsguy 09-14-2022 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by melpetezrinski (Post 2136727)
An investment must generate revenue and can't have expenses? So, a technology ETF that generally doesn't pay dividends and has an expense ratio is NOT an investment? I can certainly understand the "house is not an investment" perspective but I've always considered my primary homes as investments. If I need to conform to your definition, I view capital appreciation as the revenue and I would be paying MORE of those expenses if I rented.

standard finance definition. . . many article written about it

The truth? Your house is not an investment | MoneyUnder30
Why Your Home Is Not An Investment | by Adam Del Duca | Making of a Millionaire
Your house is not an investment | David Moon
A Wharton Professor Explains Why a Home Isn't an Investment
Your Home is not an Investment, Sorry
https://jonluskin.com/your-home-is-not-an-investment/

should i keep going?

but you can do whatever you want to do, you can think whatever you want to think, there is no thought police here. but if you want to think financially correct, you might want to think a bit differently. Do i care how you think about your house? not in the least. I couldn't care less.

finance guy

Rainger99 09-14-2022 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Full-timer (Post 2136764)
Wrong. Inflation NEVER includes fuel and food. Look it up for crying out loud.
Shut off what you are listening to.

What does The Villages use to calculate the increase in amenity fees?

manaboutown 09-14-2022 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2136450)
Just remember that your house is NOT an investment. there is no revenue generated by it and there are only expenses associated with it. a car is also not an investment, just future junk. And in the villages, houses can come close to future junk with no wills/trusts, etc

It depends. Cars: When I was in high school and college I bought and sold maybe 20 cars. I always made a profit. I started with a 1939 Chevy business coupe I bought in 1957 for $35. When I graduated college in 1964 I owned a 1956 Jaguar XK140 roadster and a 1957 Cadillac Fleetwood. I sold the Jag at a huge profit and drove the Cadillac all over the country for a while. Wish I had never sold that Jag...

Houses: I bought my first house for about $28,000 in Alexandria, VA in 1967, sold it six months later netting $33,000. I put as little as possible down and was leveraged to the hilt but houses were appreciating at that time. I have never taken a hit on a house and I have moved a lot so have owned many. My last Newport Beach house cost me $650K in 1994 and is now worth $3.5M. I lived in it until I moved here a few years ago. Rather than sell it and get killed by $1.2 M in income taxes (CA taxes LTCGs as regular income, top rate 13.3%) I rent it out at $7,500/mo.

As far as houses costing a person to own, we all have to live somewhere! Rent is usually paid out of after tax dollars and renting a nice home can be expensive if you can find one in a good area. Plus the landlord can raise the rent, sell the house or even kick you out and move back in. I would rather own.

Stu from NYC 09-14-2022 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2136678)
59.6 cents/minute/week? Probably a bit overpriced for that nonsense:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

You can always make us an offer. Or we can uncle Guido make you an offer you cannot refuse.

Rainger99 09-15-2022 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2136774)
(CA taxes LTCGs as regular income, top rate 13.3%)

WOW!!! Why does anyone stay in California???

melpetezrinski 09-15-2022 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2136769)
standard finance definition. . . many article written about it

The truth? Your house is not an investment | MoneyUnder30
Why Your Home Is Not An Investment | by Adam Del Duca | Making of a Millionaire
Your house is not an investment | David Moon
A Wharton Professor Explains Why a Home Isn't an Investment
Your Home is not an Investment, Sorry
https://jonluskin.com/your-home-is-not-an-investment/

should i keep going?

but you can do whatever you want to do, you can think whatever you want to think, there is no thought police here. but if you want to think financially correct, you might want to think a bit differently. Do i care how you think about your house? not in the least. I couldn't care less.

finance guy


Here is quote from your first link, "can only be an investment if you sell them for a profit." Uh, who doesn't sell a home for a profit?
2nd link - " aren’t appreciating enough on average to beat inflation" LMAO. Have you seen home prices the last 3 years. They have appreciated 10x over inflation
3rd link - Every investment does not need to be the "centerpiece of your retirement plan", it can simply be a part of a well diversified basket of assets. I also don't rely on "housing inflation to provide for {my} financial independence."
4th link- "If what you're spending each month on housing jumps when you move from renting to owning, that's not necessarily a wise financial move just because you're getting equity." This author must not live in The Villages. Costs to carry a modest home are approximately $12,000-$16,000. Costs to rent a modest home are $18,000-$22,000. Seems like an easy financial decision.
5th link - "An investment is something you buy with money expecting it to produce more money than it cost" So, last 3 years, my home has appreciated $145,000 and carrying costs were $41,000. Sounds like an outstanding INVESTMENT. $104,000 gain!
6th link - "Yet, when calculating the investment return on your personal residence, you very likely lost money after including the ongoing costs of homeownership." This guy definitely doesn't live in TV or skipped his math classes.

"should I keep going"? Uh, yes if you want to prove your point.
"but if you want to think financially correct, you might want to think a bit differently" No thanks, I'm good.

joelfmi 09-15-2022 05:59 AM

If inflation would lessen our countries domestic policies would have to change and reflect that their domestic policies are not helping our economy and are only making it worse.

Ksfirefighter 09-15-2022 08:05 AM

It figures
 
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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2136152)
Inflation is still high - it was 8.5% in July and it was 8.3% in August.

I saw one article that said if you exclude food and gas, inflation was "only" 6.3%. However, I don't know why you would exclude two items that are necessary to survive. Maybe you could exclude entertainment or travel - which are more discretionary spending than food and gas.

There is an old saying

Figures don’t lie but Liars can figure!

Stu from NYC 09-15-2022 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mjsscotto (Post 2136865)
Why not just keep excluding items ( that make up inflation) and then pretty soon there will be no inflation. A good government trick

Good point

OhioBuckeye 09-15-2022 08:41 AM

Well I think we all know why without anybody giving any hints!

Rainger99 09-15-2022 09:12 AM

Is Amtrak hiring???
 
I just saw that the threatened Amtrak strike has been resolved.

The new contract provides rail employees a 24 percent wage increase during the five-year period from 2020 through 2024, including an immediate payout on average of $11,000 upon ratification.”

golfing eagles 09-15-2022 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2136889)
I just saw that the threatened Amtrak strike has been resolved.

The new contract provides rail employees a 24 percent wage increase during the five-year period from 2020 through 2024, including an immediate payout on average of $11,000 upon ratification.”

Well, THAT won't contribute to inflation:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Stu from NYC 09-15-2022 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2136889)
I just saw that the threatened Amtrak strike has been resolved.

The new contract provides rail employees a 24 percent wage increase during the five-year period from 2020 through 2024, including an immediate payout on average of $11,000 upon ratification.”

Wow talk about giving away the store

OhioBuckeye 09-15-2022 11:37 AM

Oh wait a min. watch the pointing fingers you’ll get banned, LOL. Don’t mention names!

OhioBuckeye 09-15-2022 11:44 AM

No it didn’t get resolved the govt. put a halt to it for now because they say the country is hurting bad enough from what they did. My grandson is a controller at the Ft. Worth TX. hub. He said basically the strike has been put on hold for now. It hasn’t been resolved!

OhioBuckeye 09-15-2022 11:46 AM

Who got us into this mess? It wasn’t the railroad employees.

Keefelane66 09-15-2022 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2136889)
I just saw that the threatened Amtrak strike has been resolved.

The new contract provides rail employees a 24 percent wage increase during the five-year period from 2020 through 2024, including an immediate payout on average of $11,000 upon ratification.”

I can say you are a wealth of misinformation it is not an Amtrac Strike.
It contract dispute between unions and tail transportation owners like Union Pacific, CSX...
Amtrak was going to cancel passenger traffic rails they do not own or control.

Haggar 09-15-2022 02:18 PM

Anyone feel as I do? Some participants hog these threads.

Out of 92 posts 12 are one poster. No wonder his count is so high. And that's just one thread!

Does he have to comment on so many comments?

Feeling grumpy today. I know I can skip his posts.


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