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Garden guru 05-19-2014 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cedwards38 (Post 878062)
At the "Evening with the Developer" meeting of the VHA last night (5/14/14), Mark Morse was very candid and open, as well as all the other family members who accompanied him. I was very impressed with the directness and sincerity. He stated (paraphrased but closeJ):

1. We (the family) will be here in perpetuity.
2. We will have jobs here for our grandchildren (most of whom came on stage and were very small children.)

I'm happy about this. It's obvious that this family loves what they do and is proud of what they have done. Your thoughts?:a040:

So what makes anyone so certain that "very small children" are going to want anything to do with this place decades from now when they become adults? Seems to me that kids have a funny way of making up their own minds about their own lives, as well they should. Get real, folks. The guy is a businessman, pure and simple. Anything he says should be taken with the grain of salt.

NottaVillager 05-20-2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Garden guru (Post 880034)
So what makes anyone so certain that "very small children" are going to want anything to do with this place decades from now when they become adults? Seems to me that kids have a funny way of making up their own minds about their own lives, as well they should. Get real, folks. The guy is a businessman, pure and simple. Anything he says should be taken with the grain of salt.

This is true. Many times younger generations do not want to do what the earlier generations set in motion. This is most evident on today's family farms. And many times once Grandpa & Dad are gone..the offer to sell out and enjoy is too great to resist.

While this story does not involve a "family" business it does speak to the "we're here forever" statement....

I grew up in a small town in upstate NY called Owego. Owego is about 10 miles west of another small town called Endicott. Because of the way the school lines were drawn, while I lived in Owego, I went to school in Endicott.

Endicott, NY just happens to be the birthplace of a little company called IBM. In 1980 the population of Endicott was about 20,000 people. Owego's population was about 6,000. In 1980 IBM-Endicott and IBM Federal Systems Division in Owego employed 25,000 people. (Talk about FULL employment!) This number did not take into account the hundreds or thousands of people who were in the employ of a number of ancillary businesses located around IBM who were side suppliers or sub-contractors.

IBM was the local corporate "Santa Claus" to the local school districts, fire departments, police departments and charitable organizations. They operated a FREE country club for IBM employees and their families. At Christmas time each employee's children received an age-appropriate wrapped quality Christmas gift.

Many people my age walked out of the high school on graduation day, crossed the street, walked to the northern end of Washington Avenue and in the door at IBM's HR department and walked right into what they THOUGHT was a lifetime job. It always had been and there was never any reason to think differently.

My father was a R&D engineer for IBM. My wife's dad was a chemical engineer at IBM. Most people we knew worked at IBM. When the infamous words "Houston..we have a problem" were uttered from Apollo-13 there were a whole lot of lights that snapped on in Owego since many of the rocket's systems had been built in Owego.

IBM had started in Endicott and would be there forever. The company had expanded it's buildings and campuses..The words from IBM couldn't have been more positive.

But...In the late 90's it all came to a screeching stop. IBM essentially left town. They went from a workforce of 25,000 down to about 400 today. Building after building is empty with no hope of it ever being reused. They shuttered their newly-expanded R&D lab and either transferred or discharged the engineers employed there. The Owego plant was sold to several different companies, although it has now once again found some footing under Lockheed, and the new Marine-One helicopter will be produced there in part.

Virtually all of the guys I knew who had graduated from high school and walked right into what they thought were lifetime jobs are now unemployed or employed in jobs that don't even come close to the pay and benefits they had under IBM.

This story has happened in many places..but IBM was/is a "tech" company and we keep getting told that the future is tech. There was never the slightest whiff that IBM would ever leave it's birthplace. And then one day they were..GONE. The corporate announcement was that it was a BUSINESS decision.

So while the Morse family says that they are "here to stay"..and they very well may be. However the day may come when the BUSINESS decision for the family might very well be a fat payday and a farewell to TV.

Bogie Shooter 05-20-2014 12:01 PM

It really does not pay to worry about something you have no control over. Or for that matter to speculate about the dire outcome.

graciegirl 05-20-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NottaVillager (Post 880228)
This is true. Many times younger generations do not want to do what the earlier generations set in motion. This is most evident on today's family farms. And many times once Grandpa & Dad are gone..the offer to sell out and enjoy is too great to resist.

While this story does not involve a "family" business it does speak to the "we're here forever" statement....

I grew up in a small town in upstate NY called Owego. Owego is about 10 miles west of another small town called Endicott. Because of the way the school lines were drawn, while I lived in Owego, I went to school in Endicott.

Endicott, NY just happens to be the birthplace of a little company called IBM. In 1980 the population of Endicott was about 20,000 people. Owego's population was about 6,000. In 1980 IBM-Endicott and IBM Federal Systems Division in Owego employed 25,000 people. (Talk about FULL employment!) This number did not take into account the hundreds or thousands of people who were in the employ of a number of ancillary businesses located around IBM who were side suppliers or sub-contractors.

IBM was the local corporate "Santa Claus" to the local school districts, fire departments, police departments and charitable organizations. They operated a FREE country club for IBM employees and their families. At Christmas time each employee's children received an age-appropriate wrapped quality Christmas gift.

Many people my age walked out of the high school on graduation day, crossed the street, walked to the northern end of Washington Avenue and in the door at IBM's HR department and walked right into what they THOUGHT was a lifetime job. It always had been and there was never any reason to think differently.

My father was a R&D engineer for IBM. My wife's dad was a chemical engineer at IBM. Most people we knew worked at IBM. When the infamous words "Houston..we have a problem" were uttered from Apollo-13 there were a whole lot of lights that snapped on in Owego since many of the rocket's systems had been built in Owego.

IBM had started in Endicott and would be there forever. The company had expanded it's buildings and campuses..The words from IBM couldn't have been more positive.

But...In the late 90's it all came to a screeching stop. IBM essentially left town. They went from a workforce of 25,000 down to about 400 today. Building after building is empty with no hope of it ever being reused. They shuttered their newly-expanded R&D lab and either transferred or discharged the engineers employed there. The Owego plant was sold to several different companies, although it has now once again found some footing under Lockheed, and the new Marine-One helicopter will be produced there in part.

Virtually all of the guys I knew who had graduated from high school and walked right into what they thought were lifetime jobs are now unemployed or employed in jobs that don't even come close to the pay and benefits they had under IBM.

This story has happened in many places..but IBM was/is a "tech" company and we keep getting told that the future is tech. There was never the slightest whiff that IBM would ever leave it's birthplace. And then one day they were..GONE. The corporate announcement was that it was a BUSINESS decision.

So while the Morse family says that they are "here to stay"..and they very well may be. However the day may come when the BUSINESS decision for the family might very well be a fat payday and a farewell to TV.


Could be....and then it could be they are telling the truth. Most of us love it here, why shouldn't "they" love it here too?

ilovetv 05-20-2014 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NottaVillager (Post 880228)
This is true. Many times younger generations do not want to do what the earlier generations set in motion. This is most evident on today's family farms. And many times once Grandpa & Dad are gone..the offer to sell out and enjoy is too great to resist.

While this story does not involve a "family" business it does speak to the "we're here forever" statement....

I grew up in a small town in upstate NY called Owego. Owego is about 10 miles west of another small town called Endicott. Because of the way the school lines were drawn, while I lived in Owego, I went to school in Endicott.

Endicott, NY just happens to be the birthplace of a little company called IBM. In 1980 the population of Endicott was about 20,000 people. Owego's population was about 6,000. In 1980 IBM-Endicott and IBM Federal Systems Division in Owego employed 25,000 people. (Talk about FULL employment!) This number did not take into account the hundreds or thousands of people who were in the employ of a number of ancillary businesses located around IBM who were side suppliers or sub-contractors.

IBM was the local corporate "Santa Claus" to the local school districts, fire departments, police departments and charitable organizations. They operated a FREE country club for IBM employees and their families. At Christmas time each employee's children received an age-appropriate wrapped quality Christmas gift.

Many people my age walked out of the high school on graduation day, crossed the street, walked to the northern end of Washington Avenue and in the door at IBM's HR department and walked right into what they THOUGHT was a lifetime job. It always had been and there was never any reason to think differently.

My father was a R&D engineer for IBM. My wife's dad was a chemical engineer at IBM. Most people we knew worked at IBM. When the infamous words "Houston..we have a problem" were uttered from Apollo-13 there were a whole lot of lights that snapped on in Owego since many of the rocket's systems had been built in Owego.

IBM had started in Endicott and would be there forever. The company had expanded it's buildings and campuses..The words from IBM couldn't have been more positive.

But...In the late 90's it all came to a screeching stop. IBM essentially left town. They went from a workforce of 25,000 down to about 400 today. Building after building is empty with no hope of it ever being reused. They shuttered their newly-expanded R&D lab and either transferred or discharged the engineers employed there. The Owego plant was sold to several different companies, although it has now once again found some footing under Lockheed, and the new Marine-One helicopter will be produced there in part.

Virtually all of the guys I knew who had graduated from high school and walked right into what they thought were lifetime jobs are now unemployed or employed in jobs that don't even come close to the pay and benefits they had under IBM.

This story has happened in many places..but IBM was/is a "tech" company and we keep getting told that the future is tech. There was never the slightest whiff that IBM would ever leave it's birthplace. And then one day they were..GONE. The corporate announcement was that it was a BUSINESS decision.

So while the Morse family says that they are "here to stay"..and they very well may be. However the day may come when the BUSINESS decision for the family might very well be a fat payday and a farewell to TV.

While I think we all understand the point made above, as Villages homeowners we do not depend on the developers for our livelihood nor a 40-year career and pension.

We 50,000+ homeowners also do not depend on the developer for our housing, commercial nor recreational needs. We all own our own single-family homes on which half have no mortgage, and our community development districts own or will eventually own all the recreational facilities and venues.

The developers own the millions of square feet of commercial leasing properties, and they wisely built this place with a smart consumer base that does not want to go farther than a golf-cart ride to shop, much less go out of town. They, or somebody they know, will probably continue that huge revenue generator. If they don't, somebody will.

If we don't like it in the future, we can move.

NottaVillager 05-20-2014 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 880231)
Could be....and then it could be they are telling the truth. Most of us love it here, why shouldn't "they" love it here too?

No reason that they don't. But remember..they are business people running a business. In the end they will most likely ALWAYS choose what is best for business and themselves.

Bogie Shooter 05-20-2014 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NottaVillager (Post 880290)
No reason that they don't. But remember..they are business people running a business. In the end they will most likely ALWAYS choose what is best for business and themselves.

And it appears that is bad, bad, bad.............................
Remember you could be wrong.

NottaVillager 05-20-2014 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 880322)
And it appears that is bad, bad, bad.............................
Remember you could be wrong.

I don't think it's bad. If any of my posts gave that impression I never meant it that way.

Bogie Shooter 05-21-2014 07:11 AM

That's the way they come accross, usually the negative side of the discussion.

slipcovers 05-21-2014 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 880563)
That's the way they come accross, usually the negative side of the discussion.

It didn't come across as negative to me, only that NOTHING is a sure thing. As notavillager lived thru IBM firsthand , the same could be said with Wang, Digital, and many more big companies. No one knows what would happen if the Morses pull out. Would people panic and sell, causing the bubble to break? If there were a few more sinkholes would people keep buying? I don't think so. No one knows the future.

buggyone 05-21-2014 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by slipcovers (Post 880569)
It didn't come across as negative to me, only that NOTHING is a sure thing. As notavillager lived thru IBM firsthand , the same could be said with Wang, Digital, and many more big companies. No one knows what would happen if the Morses pull out. Would people panic and sell, causing the bubble to break? If there were a few more sinkholes would people keep buying? I don't think so. No one knows the future.

Just as no one knows the future, no one is forced to move to The Villages. Maybe you and some others who are not yet Villagers may want to re-think your plans in light of the uncertainty of the Morse family selling out and sinkholes opening up all over The Villages.

Bogie Shooter 05-21-2014 07:56 AM

Good advice.

slipcovers 05-21-2014 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 880577)
Just as no one knows the future, no one is forced to move to The Villages. Maybe you and some others who are not yet Villagers may want to re-think your plans in light of the uncertainty of the Morse family selling out and sinkholes opening up all over The Villages.

You missed the point, WHEREVER you live there is NO guarantee that demand or prices will go up or down, TV included. Or what mother nature will do.

yabbadu 05-21-2014 09:47 AM

For all those that are so worried about the future and the villages. It seems to me that you have two ways to go! Sell or wait for God to call you. One way your in control and the other is up to your God!
May God bless you with either way!

slipcovers 05-21-2014 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by yabbadu (Post 880643)
For all those that are so worried about the future and the villages. It seems to me that you have two ways to go! Sell or wait for God to call you. One way your in control and the other is up to your God!
May God bless you with either way!

Barney, you are so right, and may God bless you.

rduval 05-21-2014 03:38 PM

Thanks for sharing!


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