Correction for people who've not been here: There are sidewalks all the way on Canal Street from Lake Sumter Landing southward to the border of 466-A. And there are sidewalks on O'Dell Circle going from Buena Vista gate eastward to Morse nearing Havana Country Club. And there are sidewalks in many other streets.

Cquick was speaking about the area of TV .... NORTH of 466.

Here we go again. As Rodney King once said ". Why can't we just all get along?" Honestly, in
the big scheme of life, is this REALLY a problem? Death, disease, war, petulance, etc, etc...get a grip folks.

South of 466 was built with sidewalks. Diamond lanes were built for golf carts and bikes, not joggers, cars or motorcycles.

Diamond lanes have a solid white lane for a reason. Granted there may be in a golf cart drivers mind a reason to cross that white line. If an accident results the police will investigate and determine fault.

Joggers in the diamond lane create an unnecessary risk and yet because of their status as pedestrians may walk (run) away from their responsibility.
A golf cart driver can either stop and perhaps because it will be an abrupt stop get rear ended or cross the white line into traffic and risk being hit by a car. consider the number of cars that accelerate to get past a golf cart where the diamond lane ends and merge is required.

I am dead set against joggers in diamond lanes but the reality here is that something tragic accident has to occur until the authorities will act..and in that they are remiss

Having the right of way or being in the right can get you killed. An example is pedestrians have the right of way when in a crosswalk, but if a car hits you in the crosswalk your dead. No protection, except you had the right of way. Not much physical protection is it?

so, use the sidewalks where they are available. in other words stay off the roads when there are sidewalks.

I have been running here for six years along with my husband. I have yet to hear of one accident involving a runner and a cart or car. I've heard of car to car accidents, car to cart accidents, cart to cart accidents, even bicycles with cars and carts. And not to mention the solo cart, car or bike accident.

Why does everyone want to pick on the joggers who are usually the most agile and fit people out there?

Is there a statute stating that, or is that your opinion?

In any event, I understand the stress that concrete sidewalks put on one's knees. My runner friends all prefer to run on the asphalt as it is easier on their bodies. if a runner doesn't move over when I come upon them in my cart, I just use my mirrors to check the traffic, and move out into traffic to go around the jogger when it is appropriate. I have never found it to be a big deal. In fact, I can't remember the last time I had to go around a jogger, I encounter them so rarely. It isn't like there are thousands of them clogging up our streets and recreational trails. :shrug:

[QUOTE=mickey100;805316]Is there a statute stating that, or is that your opinion?

Florida 316.130(3) where provided , pedestrians must use sidewalks.

Yes, I was, and I should have said there aren't enough sidewalks.....sorry for the confusion.

[quote=Challenger;805344]and once again, I must point out that in the entire TV north of 466 the total amount of sidewalk is one short section (perhaps 1/4 mile in length) along Mulberry Ln between BVB and Belle Meade Circle.

This thread is yet another in a long history of tempest in a tea pot threads that are so amazingly common on TOTV.

EXACTLY Mickey!! I always try to move over as much as I can even hopping onto the sidewalk if there's a car following close behind a cart. If there's more than two carts in a row I do the same. I hate to jump up and down the sidewalks so I do so only when necessary.

I know this thread is about joggers...that said....I was on the diamond path (next to a sidewalk) when I met a 'walker' coming towards me in the path and not on the sidewalk. I couldn't move because of traffic so slowed down but do you think he got up on the sidewalk? Nope! He preceeded PLUS yelled at me as we passed one another. So we'll see ALL sorts of scenarios won't we??

Yes we do see all sorts. That person certainly doesn't sound very courteous. It think it is up to both sides to be considerate to the other person, as much as possible.

As a "serious runner" I'm afraid I could say the same about many cart drivers who drive as if they are the only one that has the right to be on the road/ path. I can also say the same of many cyclist or car drivers. It's not the method of movement rather the mover that causes the issue. For those of you that don't believe a walker / runner has the right of way hit one and see what happens when you are sued