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billethkid 10-27-2022 08:21 AM
with all the "help shortages" and help wanted signs that seem to be in abundance......

maybe they could get a job!!!!

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:censored:

golfing eagles 10-27-2022 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2151587)
with all the "help shortages" and help wanted signs that seem to be in abundance......

maybe they could get a job!!!!

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:censored:
They either don’t want a job or are incapable of holding one

Caymus 10-27-2022 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2151587)
with all the "help shortages" and help wanted signs that seem to be in abundance......

maybe they could get a job!!!!

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:censored:
Drunks and drug addicts tend not to show up for work.

golfing eagles 10-27-2022 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2151593)
Drunks and drug addicts tend not to show up for work.
They would in a liquor store 😂😂😂

ElDiabloJoe 10-27-2022 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by brianherlihy (Post 2151569)
thay all steel
In this case., they stole the "a" from your world, steal.

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2151564)
The original post states there is an "encampment". AFAIK, one person does not make an encampment. This is more of a concern than just "one homeless dude".
Disagree. If I set up my tent all by my lonesome, that is my encampment. If a homeless guy has set up their tent, and made little milk crate tables and dragged a thrown-away lazy-y boy over and put it out front, and set up a little rainfly tarp, then such would generally be considered an encampment, no?

golfing eagles 10-27-2022 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by brianherlihy (Post 2151569)
thay all steel
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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2151610)
In this case., they stole the "a" from your world, steal.
Yeah, but they gave it back in place of the "e" in "they". The also gave a bonus "l" to you in "word":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: (Glass houses, and all that)

vintageogauge 10-27-2022 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2151587)
with all the "help shortages" and help wanted signs that seem to be in abundance......

maybe they could get a job!!!!

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:censored:
Most employers today require a drug and even an alcohol test before hiring.

Escape Artist 10-27-2022 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LivingOnSunshine (Post 2148306)
UPDATE: The Villages has now signed the no trespass order needed for local law enforcement.
In the last 72ish hours multiple calls have been made by residents to the Sumter Co. Sheriff’s office and Wildwood Police (who have been timely and compassionate in their responses) regarding ongoing sightings of homeless persons (with and without shopping carts ) crossing the Chitty Chatty bridge at various times of the day and night, wandering the streets of The Village as well as the MMP along Chitty Chatty and Bradford. Last evening’s observations included one of the individuals discarding empty liquor bottles as well as an empty Rx bottle in the streets as well as frightening a woman walking her dog. Both law enforcement agencies have told residents that the area near the bridge where it appears the persons are camping is owned by The Villages and therefore is private property. By law, the authorities must have a no trespassing order on file from TV in order to take action. They do not currently possess such an order. Calls to Community Watch and Community Standards have ended with, “it’s not our jurisdiction.” The CDD is now engaged and looking into who is responsible for the area around CC bridge and the woods/preserve. So for all those who paid a premium to live near the preserve, lucky you to get a front row seat of a homeless encampment as well as having these individuals who clearly need mental health support roam the streets of your Village making the residents and guests feel unsafe and (presently) twisting in the wind and unsupported by The Villages. Godspeed…
Is a No Trespassing order a permanent thing or on a case by case basis? In other words, wouldn’t the areas of private property within the Villages already have a no trespassing ordinance?

Escape Artist 10-27-2022 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hypart (Post 2148426)
I was in San Francisco for a week back in August, I barely saw any homeless people.

Not sure if they're cleared them away but it was very surprising considering all the footage.
A lot of the media footage you’ve seen has probably been from Los Angeles where the problem is on a much bigger scale. I don’t know where you were in SF, but as a major city it has always had a lot of homeless. Recently in California, they’ve been putting them up in hotel/motel rooms to get them off the street and provide them with shelter.

Flyers999 10-27-2022 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2151358)
i wonder if a tiny-home community would work
Too easy to steal. If you’re talking public housing, you have to nail everything down.
The northeast city I was from, used to partner with a charitable organization, I forget the name. They would interview any new homeless, do a drug test and background check. If they were clean, didn’t have a police record and has a reasonable cry-story, they’d refer them to a network of friends who would temporarily give them shelter and help them back on their feet.
The others would be given to the “city services,” which included sleeping on a cot in a large auditorium or basement. Many didn’t like that situation and would rather sleep in the parks because they didn’t want to follow rules and have to deal with the other homeless.

ThirdOfFive 10-27-2022 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyers999 (Post 2151750)
Too easy to steal. If you’re talking public housing, you have to nail everything down.
The northeast city I was from, used to partner with a charitable organization, I forget the name. They would interview any new homeless, do a drug test and background check. If they were clean, didn’t have a police record and has a reasonable cry-story, they’d refer them to a network of friends who would temporarily give them shelter and help them back on their feet.
The others would be given to the “city services,” which included sleeping on a cot in a large auditorium or basement. Many didn’t like that situation and would rather sleep in the parks because they didn’t want to follow rules and have to deal with the other homeless.
The key in the referenced post: "services". I assume that cot in the auditorium came along with a certain amount of sustenance.

It was on my first trip to Thailand, nearly 30 years ago now, when my wife and I went to visit the in-laws. I was fascinated by that culture and how it operated. Seemed as if half the population was selling something and the other half buying, but all busy. I saw almost no idle people, such as the panhandlers or obviously homeless as we see around here at times. Curious, I asked my wife what the welfare system was in Thailand.

Her answer?

"Simple. If you don't work, you don't eat".

Amazing, what a human being is capable of finding within himself when the alternative might very well mean starvation.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-27-2022 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2151587)
with all the "help shortages" and help wanted signs that seem to be in abundance......

maybe they could get a job!!!!

__________________________________________

:censored:
First, they need a legal address. They need a social security number (and they need to know what that number is). They need identification and proof of citizenship - and that is true for ALL employees, not just immigrants. Full-blooded Americans, whose parents were Americans and their parents were Americans - need proof of citizenship and have to fill out an I-9 form. They have to have at least some manner of reasonable tolerable hygiene and access to clothes and shoes that fit them. They have to not be obviously diseased. They have to be sober and not actively in the throes of addiction. In many cases, they have to pass a drug test. They have to have reliable transportation (or be applying for a job where transportation is provided).

ALL of these things are needed of ALL employees in ALL jobs, and that's before you even check to see if they're qualified for the position. Many jobs these days require that you fill out the application online, they don't offer paper applications, or have job kiosks where you can apply on site.

Most homeless people lack at least SOME of these basic, minimal requirements that allow anyone to APPLY for (not even get) a job.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-27-2022 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyers999 (Post 2151750)
Too easy to steal. If you’re talking public housing, you have to nail everything down.
The northeast city I was from, used to partner with a charitable organization, I forget the name. They would interview any new homeless, do a drug test and background check. If they were clean, didn’t have a police record and has a reasonable cry-story, they’d refer them to a network of friends who would temporarily give them shelter and help them back on their feet.
The others would be given to the “city services,” which included sleeping on a cot in a large auditorium or basement. Many didn’t like that situation and would rather sleep in the parks because they didn’t want to follow rules and have to deal with the other homeless.
Yes that's definitely one reason for not wanting to sleep on a cot in a large auditorium or basement with other homeless.

Another reason is that some of those homeless are not mentally healthy. Some have PTSD - are untreated veterans who aren't able to communicate their needs - but are very cable to slit throats in the middle of the night when they have night terrors and think the guy sleeping in the cot next to them is the enemy infiltrator. Some are addicts who will steal your shoes, your pants, your belongings. Some are truly depraved and will rape you.

Shelters are not places of peace love and crunchy granola. And some people would rather sleep in the open air, where there's a chance they can escape the horrors of homelessness, rather than be stuck in a shelter with locked doors and volunteers/social workers/guards who aren't able to watch each person in there simultaneously, every moment that the shelter has occupants.

Aces4 10-27-2022 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2151790)
Yes that's definitely one reason for not wanting to sleep on a cot in a large auditorium or basement with other homeless.

Another reason is that some of those homeless are not mentally healthy. Some have PTSD - are untreated veterans who aren't able to communicate their needs - but are very cable to slit throats in the middle of the night when they have night terrors and think the guy sleeping in the cot next to them is the enemy infiltrator. Some are addicts who will steal your shoes, your pants, your belongings. Some are truly depraved and will rape you.

Shelters are not places of peace love and crunchy granola. And some people would rather sleep in the open air, where there's a chance they can escape the horrors of homelessness, rather than be stuck in a shelter with locked doors and volunteers/social workers/guards who aren't able to watch each person in there simultaneously, every moment that the shelter has occupants.
You have just made a case for mental illness in which cases PTSD patients need counseling, support, medication and even accommodations if necessary. They don’t recover on their own by “sleeping in the open air” with night terrors. They can be helped, it requires time, money and facilities.

Addicts need prison with rehab and people sleeping in the streets face the same dangers as in shelters. If there is no line in the sand, there is no incentive for a better life.

coffeebean 10-27-2022 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2151610)
In this case., they stole the "a" from your world, steal.



Disagree. If I set up my tent all by my lonesome, that is my encampment. If a homeless guy has set up their tent, and made little milk crate tables and dragged a thrown-away lazy-y boy over and put it out front, and set up a little rainfly tarp, then such would generally be considered an encampment, no?
I didn't think so. Looked up the definition........

en·camp·ment
/inˈkampmənt,enˈkampmənt/
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noun
noun: encampment; plural noun: encampments

a place with temporary accommodations consisting of huts or tents, typically for troops or nomads.
"a Bedouin encampment"

The definition implies more than one person.


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