Originally Posted by HalfWayIn (Post 729414)

I wonder if Lady Lake will use eminent domain, take the lot, and make the path open to the public forever? That would be a perfect solution.

Originally Posted by EdV (Post 729468)

And nowhere in this thread nor in any thread in the five years I have been a member here have I ever even implied that a non-resident was entitled to use any of the private facilities in The Villages.

This thread is about my contention that a golf cart right of way to and from Paradise Dr. was established back in 1998 and that the multi-modal paths are a natural extension of the public roads in TV.

But it’s ironic to hear people complaining about congestion and overcrowding after buying a home in a community with a 120,000 resident build out plan. Amazing

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 729472)

peachie - why do you think the developer had no problem providing access to that 'private development' - a very short cart path] to outside residents in the past 20 yrs?

Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729528)

Hi, Njbchbum. The developer didn't provide access to that private development for 20 years. There was a gate which was installed to block that access which I am given to understand was damaged and vandalized by golf cart owners outside The Villages so they could access The Villages. Lady Lake then got in the middle of it because of their public road, from what I can glean from these posts.

The Villages now wants to control this unwanted access by golf carts to golf cart paths maintained by The Villages and residents by reinstalling a gate on Village property.

This is information I have read on these posts, but bottom line is... none of us will know until the big guys sort it out.

Originally Posted by mrdarcy (Post 729473)

Fruitland Park residents cannot access TV golf cart trails at this point in time. But, if The Villages expands on the land across from Burke's BBQ, as is proposed, that land is in Fruitland Park's jurisdiction in Lake County. The Villages will construct infrastructure to support new villages, just as they have done in every other section of TV. This infrastructure will include multi-modal paths. Fruitland Park officials have already said they want their residents to have access to those new paths to get to the Colony Publix and other businesses by golf cart. The Villages representatives have told Fruitland Park officials that access on the multi-modal paths by non-Villages is a point on which TV will not negotiate.

TV representatives would have had a very difficult time defending this stance given the decades long unrestricted access on Paradise Drive, until said access was abruptly eliminated just prior to the meeting with Fruitland Park officials. Now it remains to be seen how negotiations with Fruitland Park will proceed. Sumter County and Wildwood officials can see the ways in which TV provides A LOT of revenue to local businesses, and they, therefore, have decided to concede some of their "We Want" points in negotiations with TV representatives.

I agree with Gracie that the Morses are smart business people. Look around you. How else do you think TV was built? By lazy, selfish louts? No. In most developments the Developer makes all manner of promises and then bolts outta there never to be seen or heard from again, especially when problems and the inevitable lawsuits arise. In our case, Gary Morse and the Morse family still live in the midst of all the rest of us. They live in the middle of TV. Yes, they are billionaires, but they live here. I suspect they too care about the conditions where they live just as much as each of us does.

The Developer very much deserves credit for maintaining our investment--our home's value--through his policies and business practices. I'll be much more worried about the future of TV when the Morse clan decides they would rather live in some other community, in some other state, in some other country. I, for one, am thoroughly delighted the Morses still live here. I'm OK with my neighbors being billionaires, as long they remain invested in what the place looks like.

Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729516)

No irony, Ed, The Villages is designed to handle the golf cart traffic of it's residents, not all of the outlying communities. For The Villages cart traffic level, we are prepared.

Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729516)

Ed, if The Villages is required to provide cart path access all over because of the Paradise Dr. situation, would you be willing to pay for the extra costs this would mean to Village residents? Extra costs being an ID attendent at all pools, pickleball courts, tennis courts, golf courses, and so forth. The Villages does not require that type of manpower now but would surely require it if access is wide open to the paths.

Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729516)

Ed, if you owned your home in The Villages and not in Stonecrest, you would be on this side of the argument.

Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729516)

No irony, Ed, The Villages is designed to handle the golf cart traffic of it's residents, not all of the outlying communities. For The Villages cart traffic level, we are prepared.

Ed, if The Villages is required to provide cart path access all over because of the Paradise Dr. situation, would you be willing to pay for the extra costs this would mean to Village residents? Extra costs being an ID attendent at all pools, pickleball courts, tennis courts, golf courses, and so forth. The Villages does not require that type of manpower now but would surely require it if access is wide open to the paths.

Ed, if you owned your home in The Villages and not in Stonecrest, you would be on this side of the argument.

Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729528)

Hi, Njbchbum. The developer didn't provide access to that private development for 20 years. There was a gate which was installed to block that access which I am given to understand was damaged and vandalized by golf cart owners outside The Villages so they could access The Villages. Lady Lake then got in the middle of it because of their public road, from what I can glean from these posts.

The Villages now wants to control this unwanted access by golf carts to golf cart paths maintained by The Villages and residents by reinstalling a gate on Village property.

This is information I have read on these posts, but bottom line is... none of us will know until the big guys sort it out.

Originally Posted by deltaguy (Post 729548)

Wow! Since I haven't a clue who either one of you are I can only comment on my assessment of these comments. The last post would make it seem that this dirt path or whatever it is has more traffic than I-75. Actually, my guess would be that the traffic is minimal and very few outsiders are using this back way into TV for clandestine purposes. So what if a couple of cheaters use a community pool they are not entitled to use. Who cares if a couple of outsiders let their dogs run and crap in a Dog Park. Who cares if they visit our restaurants, movies etc. and spend a few bucks in our community. The same Residents who complain about this kind of stuff are probably oblivious to Villagers who dig up newly planted flowers in common areas to replant in their own yards. Helping themselves to material that is not theirs at construction sites. (Haven't seen it? Open your eyes) Bottom line, what's the big deal? This whole thing has been a joke that makes the folks who perpetrated it, for whatever reasons, look like a bunch of very rich jerks!

Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729528)

Hi, Njbchbum. The developer didn't provide access to that private development for 20 years. There was a gate which was installed to block that access which I am given to understand was damaged and vandalized by golf cart owners outside The Villages so they could access The Villages. Lady Lake then got in the middle of it because of their public road, from what I can glean from these posts....

Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 729556)

Hopefully all this nonsense will be over in about 3 to 4 hours. If your going to the meeting might be best to where your Kevlar vest or take a few Valium.

I had to laugh about the flowers and construction materials. I'm always amazed on some of the objects in our community that sometimes sprout legs....LOL

Originally Posted by deltaguy (Post 729548)

Wow! Since I haven't a clue who either one of you are I can only comment on my assessment of these comments. The last post would make it seem that this dirt path or whatever it is has more traffic than I-75. Actually, my guess would be that the traffic is minimal and very few outsiders are using this back way into TV for clandestine purposes. So what if a couple of cheaters use a community pool they are not entitled to use. Who cares if a couple of outsiders let their dogs run and crap in a Dog Park. Who cares if they visit our restaurants, movies etc. and spend a few bucks in our community. The same Residents who complain about this kind of stuff are probably oblivious to Villagers who dig up newly planted flowers in common areas to replant in their own yards. Helping themselves to material that is not theirs at construction sites. (Haven't seen it? Open your eyes) Bottom line, what's the big deal? This whole thing has been a joke that makes the folks who perpetrated it, for whatever reasons, look like a bunch of very rich jerks!