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Not True : I spent the entire night in Lake Sumter Square, not outside or at Restaurants. It was not even 40% capacity. Everyone was Social Distancing. NO need for masks unless going to Bar Hut or walking around. Some Dancing, but also spaced out. Not sure how other squares did, but Lake Sumter was fine.

Statistics
 

Have you looked at the stats? We are number 3 in the nation for total number of cases, and number 4 for the growth. I still don't understand why you are so afraid to wear a mask? Explain your fear, please. You wear underwear everyday I hope.

If you were Extremely conscientious about transmission prevention you would stay in Canada, so, by coming here it says your not! :ho:

Um, excuse me, but ...
Raise your hand if you
1) are overweight
2) are over the age of 65
3) have high blood pressure
4) Have a heart condition
5) have asthma or COPD
6) are diabetic
7) have cancer
8) have a weakened immune system

Please stop with these nonsense posts. The statistic you quoted is meaningless. Florida is the #3 most populous state. Of course we have a high TOTAL case count. We are also #12 in PER CAPITA deaths. New Jersey has 2.5 times the PER CAPITA death rate. New York has 2 times the PER CAPITA death rate. Nobody is afraid of wearing a mask. Comparing a mask with underwear is a strawman argument - the most disingenuous form of discussion. Please stop with the nonsense.

Mask wearing is a sham to try to make the masses feel safe.

Seems like the only excuse that BUTT Shakers have in response to others is to "Stay Home"...
BTW Shaking your old BUTT in public is NOT an essential to us! :ho:

I've said the same things you are saying but then again the flu is a virus and they have flu shots that work so I don't know. When they start distribution of the COVID vaccine I will take it. COVID can have long lasting problems so I am still concerned about getting it.

Half of the people who do wear masks wear them incorrectly or do not have masks that actually help.

Welcome back

NY and NJ have a higher a death rate per capita, but that is old news. Since June, their infection, hospitalization, and death rates are much lower than Florida's. Florida is a much hotter virus spot currently and that's all that matters to me.

Time to let people live their own lives and live with whatever the consequences may be. Just worry about you and yours.

Indeed!
 

Stay home. Lock the doors and windows. Wear your mask, gloves and face shield. Have your groceries delivered, and left at your front door. See how well you survive...mentally! People NEED people, socializing, interaction, communication and physical activity.
Masks CAUSE unhealthy breathing and skin issues. We need fresh air!
I do not wear a mask because I have CS...Common Sense!!

But the same cult behavior.

Why don't you do your own job and stop asking others to SQUEAL on their neighbors... :ohdear:

Yes, because their peak was earlier than ours and they made bad decisions. Our numbers are much better and our deaths are in a steep decline. Most of the cases are in southeast Florida and the average age is low.

This is why we are remaining in NH until 2021. Most businesses require masks in order to enter their facility.
It makes me feel safer. We eat out rarely. If the staff do not wear masks, we leave.
Please use good judgement and wear masks and social distance.

Possibly a superspreader event?
 

I think people are playing Russian roulette with COVID19. Time will tell. I hope I am wrong, or people will die needlessly.

Time will tell if this was a good idea or not.

OK. I read seven pages of comments, so I gotta' vent!

The whole issue is so simple! You can choose any level of caution you desire. I respect your choice. Just stop trying to impose YOUR views on everyone else.

My situation: I'm 79, have AFIB, Pulmonary Hypertension, COPD with seven lung spots from way too many years of past smoking. In short, I have most of the co-morbidity problems. I work 3-4 full shifts at Spanish Springs Lanes and bowl in 4 leagues weekly. I never wear a mask when doing either event. I work and play elbow to elbow with many hundreds of people a week. Of the THOUSANDS of contacts, I have known a total of 3 people with Covid-19, one had it back in February and two this summer. A frightening and bad situation for all three. (They are all 3 back actively living life and bowling). I know that the death and actual case statistics are grossly inflated. (Contact me if you desire to argue - lol). My whole point is I have lived, and enjoyed, life as fully as possible during the last seven months of national trauma. If I had chosen the extreme opposite, that so many have, I would have lost those seven months of enjoyable life. I DO wear masks and comply with the desires of any store/home I am in. Not always because I agree, but to make the host person or business comfortable. Many of you have cheated yourselves and loved ones for the last 7-8 months, out of an enjoyable life. We don't have many more 7-8 month periods left in our lives folks!

Well said Don F!!!!

Isn't that from "Spamelot"? I LOVE that show. Saw it on Broadway. This is a video of "Not Yet Dead Fred". That is David Hyde Pierce, Hank Azaria and Christian Borle in the number. Really is hilarious......

Spamalot - Not Dead Yet (FULL) - YouTube

Here is a link to live cams of the three squares.......

The Villages

Did The Villages supply chairs? I had read that people had to bring their own chairs.

With 17000+ post you’re surprised. No your not.

We are close to a depression when you consider the middle and lower classes. It likely will become a depression in the US. To fix the economy you must first fix the CV problem. Florida and the US is doing exactly the wrong things currently. That is, reopening their economy. How to prove this??? To understand the world you must see the whole world, not just the US or Florida. The US has 18% more DEATHS during the CV period than the average. Germany, Norway, Denmark, and others have ZERO increase. CV has NOT affected them. They worked out their CV problems and are now back to NORMAL. The US is not. If you want jobs back and a normal life, look at what those countries did and 1st tackle the CV problem. You can NOT just hope the CV away.

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Freaking out about MASKS
 

Fact: The Covid virus (if infected) is transmitted by aerosols and vapors when we breathe in and out.
Fact: Most of these aerosols and vapors are less than 1 micron in size. (unless you sneeze or cough)
Fact: Most masks do not provide a tight fit/seal (i.e. the virus escapes around the edges of the mask)
Fact: Most people touch the surface of the mask, which is where the virus can concentrate if exposed. This touching can cause transfer of the concentrated virus to other people and surfaces (ears, eyes, food, etc) that are touched.
Fact: Most masks DO NOT collect or stop aerosols less than 1 micron in size.
Fact: Most masks DO NOT stop the transmission of Covid virus.
Fact: Most people are freaking out about masks, when from a scientific view (as outlined above) do not stop the transmission of the Covid virus.
Fact: Some people feel good about criticizing people that do not wear masks.

That last statement is very fatalistic and may or may NOT be true. No one has a crystal ball to see into the future like that.

First post........welcome to ToTV.


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Sweden has Universal Health Care. That helps them not us.

Covid outbreak coming soon here
 

With the advent of the squares being opened and evidently, few people wearing masks, and the golf courses returning to normal operations that require 2 people to a cart, rakes back in the traps, we will undoubtedly see a huge spike in infections and deaths. This is just insanity at best. The virus isn't gone, there is no vaccine or reliable treatment. The Villages will pay for this dearly with many deaths, snowbirds not returning due to the coming outbreak and businesses dying quickly right and left. Time will tell and the odds are not good.

Masks may not be the total answer but..
 

Masks aren't the save all option by any means, but they do cut down on the transmission to an extent and provide a measure of safety not afforded by not wearing a mask. It will slow the particles down both going out and coming in. They are better than nothing.

Wow, holy cow.
So the medical profession and experts have and have had it all wrong.
AMAZING!
(where is the tongue in cheek emoji when ya need it).

Agreed. Good post!

Germany just reported 2400 new cases. Norway and Denmark have the population of one of our smaller states.

% increase is a way to compare countries, not for their size, but for the success of their response to the CV problem. The US is lacking. Read my post CAREFULLY, please.

I went to see "Trip 19" yesterday at Spanish Springs and was there from 5pm till closing at 9pm. Upon entering a worker scanned the bar code on my ticket. Upon exiting around 7pm the worker scanned my ticket again, then after re-entering around 7:15pm my ticket got scanned again. I think the collection of all that data is a good thing and can later be analyzed to make even better decisions in the future. Not that many attendees were wearing masks but social distancing was definitely being done. There were a few people on the sidewalk behind the barriers and there were a lot of occupied golf carts parked around the perimeter of the square. There was at least one uniformed police officer there. The were town square workers repeatedly wiped down the lamp posts and the rails around the gazebo stage. There was also a new recorded message that sounded off before each time the entertainment started or re-started which reflected mostly CDC guidelines. The crowd thinned out quite a bit by the beginning of the last set around 8:15pm. Most people brought their own chairs but some chose to sit on the knee high walls around planting beds and pool of water. I believe a good time was had by all who attended.

There aren’t over 7 million suffering as you stated There have been over 7 million who have been tested to date and not all have tested positive and for the overwhelming majority of those who have tested positive, they were asymptomatic, didn’t even know they had the virus and displayed no signs of infection. I’m not an expert but I do know how to validate data that is readily available