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Arctic Fox 02-12-2022 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by EatthMama (Post 2060313)
I wrote this original post while I was out trying to find the right people to talk to. Just now seeing the responses.
The landscape is hard scape, which I have to walk around to mow my lawn. It is NOT pretty, it is intrusive. I do have a survey, and the neighbor is clearly out of compliance. I was not here when it was installed; I was traveling. Yesterday I went to the district office, and they only routed me back to the ARC people who repeat the mantra “it’s already been approved, so there is nothing we can do” My neighbor could get squatter’s rights and this could be an issue if/when I sell my house.
This should concern everyone, as it sets a bad precedent.
Thank-you to those who provided truly helpful advice.

Still can't tell whether or not you have actually discussed this with your neighbor?

Stu from NYC 02-12-2022 10:13 AM

Best of luck in getting this taken care of.

Bogie Shooter 02-12-2022 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rose Ann Vinci Igoe (Post 2060299)
ok, this happens a lot. When you bought your house, you had a survey was done or plot plan... if you don't have it... get a new survey done of your property lines. I am sure they too submitted a survey or plot plan. It is not that expensive, and worth all your trouble, and good to know. You will be very surprised at the true property lines. A lot of people assume but this should clear up everything. Also, find out HOw Close to your property line, they can go before they can start Landscape. Usually, it is 2' away from your property line. Also, there is NO LYING to the committee... its all about legal paperwork...

Happens a lot??
Usually 2’. Where did this come from?

EatthMama 02-12-2022 11:00 AM

Thanks - do you have a number you can share? I have already gone to the Community service center on Morse, and they were of zero help.

EatthMama 02-12-2022 11:05 AM

This has been going on since July 2021. ARC had my complaint but refused to tell me when the hearing would be. I not only called many times, I showed up at the ARC office within 30 days. They keep saying nothing can be done because it has already been approved. This should be a WTF moment for all of us living in TV. This is a clear cut case of the neighbor lying at the hearing and a total lack of due diligence on the part of ARC.
I did find some help from a terrific person at Brownwood yesterday. We have some things in motion now. Stay tuned, and thanks.

Kittycat2 02-12-2022 11:47 AM

So much drama!
 
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Originally Posted by EatthMama (Post 2060066)
My neighbor’s landscaping plan was approved based on her lying to the Architectural Committee (ARC). It is well over my property line. I have been trying to resolve this since July 2021 with a complaint. ARC approved her on Jan 3, without notifying me of a hearing taking place. I am getting ZERO response from ARC now. This is a really black and white situation. What should I do now? TIA

So many comments on how to bring legal enforcement into this issue. Why can’t the complainer just enjoy free landscaping with someone else maintaining the area?

Barkriver 02-12-2022 11:55 AM

Unless the intended recipient ignores the notice of intent to deliver... then you have proof only that the recipient did not receive the letter.

herbaru 02-12-2022 12:07 PM

Documents online
 
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2060241)
The documents that were submitted for approval are available online. One of the documents included should have been a copy of the plot plan with the proposed work drawn in. I'm not sure how you would lie about that. If the work does not match the documents, that is another matter.

MM, how can we find these documents online? Are you talking about the forms sent to TV Community Standards dept or the county? Link, please.

Michigan Farmer 02-12-2022 12:19 PM

Code Comp.
 
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Originally Posted by Ptmckiou (Post 2060202)
Contact Code Compliance office, not ARC.

Right, I agree.

Aces4 02-12-2022 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kittycat2 (Post 2060362)
So many comments on how to bring legal enforcement into this issue. Why can’t the complainer just enjoy free landscaping with someone else maintaining the area?

I would sure love to live next to the “uninformed” citizenry in The Villages. So many have stated just leave it and enjoy the landscaping encroaching on the op’s property. In Florida, squatters develop rights to property/land if owners don’t take action to remove them. I’d hire an attorney if the neighbor is encroaching and refuses to repair encroachment and would also sue for recovery of attorney fees.

joelfmi 02-12-2022 01:00 PM

If not for the light there would be no shadow
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2060069)
Why not just remove whatever you don't like from your property? I would read your deed restriction document carefully. My deed restriction document allows landscaping to occur up to the property line, and, in some cases, a 12 inch construction encroachment is also allowed. If the landscaping includes a structure, it must comply with a 5 foot setback distance from the property line.

Location! Location! wish there were more people like you that are very transparent on what to expect living at the villages'.

Bogie Shooter 02-12-2022 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by herbaru (Post 2060371)
MM, how can we find these documents online? Are you talking about the forms sent to TV Community Standards dept or the county? Link, please.

Forms and Publications

John-US 02-12-2022 01:50 PM

Love how on valentines day weekend.. we are divided by dogs and plants... good grief!

Like a good neighbor.. state farm is not there.

juddfl 02-12-2022 01:56 PM

Get a survey!!! When I was first living here, my neighbor informed me that my sprinklers were installed on his property. I contacted our builder and he came with a rod that he kept poking in the ground until he found the property line marker. It turned out that my neighbor and I both assumed that the property line was in the middle between the two homes. Wrong, my neighbor had them expand his home when he built and they expanded only on one side toward my home. He then went out further with curbing toward my home. The builder said that he had less than 6 inches to the property line. If you are assuming that the property line is exactly even between your homes, you could be wrong. The builder told me that I could legally have that curbing removed. Most of that grass between our homes is mine, but he mows it anyway. not just his 6 inches. I was not about to have him remove the curbing because I have very nice neighbors who have helped me out on more than one occasion. Great neighbors!

EatthMama 02-12-2022 03:35 PM

Exactly!!!

EatthMama 02-12-2022 03:40 PM

Have it all
 
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Originally Posted by herbaru (Post 2060371)
MM, how can we find these documents online? Are you talking about the forms sent to TV Community Standards dept or the county? Link, please.

I have my survey, and it couldn’t be more clear that her hard scape is on my property. She lied in the hearing and brought her landscaper to lie with her. This is a case of a dereliction. Of duty on the part of ARC, plain and simple.

EatthMama 02-12-2022 03:42 PM

Already done done done, thanks
 
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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2060085)
Perhaps, like Ann Landers, I offer a suggestion, if it goes wrong you suffer the damages.
I would first get a copy of your survey. If, you do not have it, it is easy enough to get a duplicate. I would try to set up an appointment with the ARC. If, they do not give you such an appointment I would simply stop off. It is far easier to ignore a phone call then someone POLITE.Y insisting on talking to you.

Phone is easy. A letter return receipt takes more time and costs a few bucks but it is legal proof.

Already done done done - this has been going on since last July

EatthMama 02-12-2022 03:44 PM

Thanks
 
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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2060378)
I would sure love to live next to the “uninformed” citizenry in The Villages. So many have stated just leave it and enjoy the landscaping encroaching on the op’s property. In Florida, squatters develop rights to property/land if owners don’t take action to remove them. I’d hire an attorney if the neighbor is encroaching and refuses to repair encroachment and would also sue for recovery of attorney fees.

Very safe advice, and honestly my thoughts as well. If TV won’t enforce their own deed restrictions and put ARC on notice about this inappropriate situation , hiring a lawyer and removing the hard scaping will be my next step

EatthMama 02-12-2022 03:47 PM

Uninformed
 
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Originally Posted by Kittycat2 (Post 2060362)
So many comments on how to bring legal enforcement into this issue. Why can’t the complainer just enjoy free landscaping with someone else maintaining the area?

This is not just landscape - it is hard scaping that I have to walk around to mow my own lawn. If something isn’t done, my next door narcissist will eventually have right to my property.
Please folks, informed assistance only😵*💫

thevillages2013 02-12-2022 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EatthMama (Post 2060438)
This is not just landscape - it is hard scaping that I have to walk around to mow my own lawn. If something isn’t done, my next door narcissist will eventually have right to my property.
Please folks, informed assistance only😵*💫

If you locate the property line pull a string from front to back tightly. Get a can of orange marking spray paint and spray inside the string on your side. Post us a picture of that. Take that picture to the proper authorities :boom:

New Englander 02-12-2022 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 2060071)
Aren't these postage stamp lots great? Someone once said strong fences make good neighbors. Oh, fences aren't allowed here either.
Just a suggestion get a property survey.

Courtyard Villas have fences.

valuemkt 02-12-2022 06:18 PM

Good luck getting a property survey .. Try calling around .. We did and came up with zero outfits that were interested .. Let me know if you find one.

EatthMama 02-12-2022 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rose Ann Vinci Igoe (Post 2060299)
ok, this happens a lot. When you bought your house, you had a survey was done or plot plan... if you don't have it... get a new survey done of your property lines. I am sure they too submitted a survey or plot plan. It is not that expensive, and worth all your trouble, and good to know. You will be very surprised at the true property lines. A lot of people assume but this should clear up everything. Also, find out HOw Close to your property line, they can go before they can start Landscape. Usually, it is 2' away from your property line. Also, there is NO LYING to the committee... its all about legal paperwork...

Actually, there was lying during the hearing. She also drew out the hard scaping to make it look like it didn’t go over the property line. They bought it and approved it. And BTW - her drawing didn’t show how much space there was between the hard scaping and property line. When I submitted my own landscaping for approval, it got denied at first because I did not show these measurements. Double standard, not following their own rules

EatthMama 02-12-2022 06:36 PM

Amen - thank you!

EatthMama 02-12-2022 06:40 PM

She knows. I filed the complaint in July. She lied in the hearing at which I was not notified of it’s existence.

EatthMama 02-12-2022 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2060378)
I would sure love to live next to the “uninformed” citizenry in The Villages. So many have stated just leave it and enjoy the landscaping encroaching on the op’s property. In Florida, squatters develop rights to property/land if owners don’t take action to remove them. I’d hire an attorney if the neighbor is encroaching and refuses to repair encroachment and would also sue for recovery of attorney fees.

Exactly!!!

EatthMama 02-12-2022 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by valuemkt (Post 2060474)
Good luck getting a property survey .. Try calling around .. We did and came up with zero outfits that were interested .. Let me know if you find one.

I received the survey when I closed this new house. There is no doubt at all about the fact that she lied to the ARC and drew what was convenient to her to have it approved.

EatthMama 02-12-2022 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kittycat2 (Post 2060362)
So many comments on how to bring legal enforcement into this issue. Why can’t the complainer just enjoy free landscaping with someone else maintaining the area?

This is hard scaping, not just landscaping. It is intruding onto my property. Ever hear of squatter’s rights?

Suse Woods 02-14-2022 02:40 PM

Landscaping woes
 
Pictures are worth 1000 words. Take pics of the area in question when you have your sprinklers on. Then find out when their sprinklers are on and take pics. Be sure to capture your house in the pics. If your water is watering their landscape then you have proof to send to the ARC. There are many ways to dispute but this may be the least expensive.

dewilson58 02-14-2022 02:48 PM

Post your address...............let ToTV posters swing by and look.

Have a petition available for viewers to sign.

Get a few hundred signatures...........and some fun traffic.

coffeebean 02-15-2022 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by defrey12 (Post 2060204)
Plants are usually pretty, aren’t they? Did you talk to your neighbor? Are they even aware of their grave offense? How do you know they lied? Will the root structure of offending plant(s) cause any damage to your property? If not , enjoy the flora and fauna that is Florida. The grand scheme of life, is this really that big of a deal? Your neighbor planted something that you, too, get to to enjoy. Maybe you might thank them? Just a thought.

Who is responsible for watering, fertilizing and trimming the landscape; (maintenance)? Would that be the person who planted the landscape or the person who's property contains the landscape? Just wondering.

EDIT: After reading the thread further, I realize now this is hardscape, not landscape.

Aces4 02-15-2022 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2061430)
Post your address...............let ToTV posters swing by and look.

Have a petition available for viewers to sign.

Get a few hundred signatures...........and some fun traffic.


You go first…. :crap2:

Wyseguy 02-15-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by EatthMama (Post 2060430)
Exactly!!!

I keep thinking what an interesting screen name you have. Eat Th Mama.

Re your issue, have you spoken to the neighbor? What was their reply? If they are not willing to remedy the error than you have are pretty much forced to push the issue. As stated, fl law requires you to address the situation.


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