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BobnBev 05-22-2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Villageshooter (Post 881468)
93% of the time the feds win! the odds are not good for us! as long as morris is on our side with us paying the bill,,, this will just linger on, till the feds get more millions out us! thank u morris family! we luv paying ur bills!

I thought MORRIS was a cat. Who is this "Morris" family of which you speak?

:ohdear::ohdear:

mickey100 05-22-2014 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 881604)
I thought MORRIS was a cat. Who is this "Morris" family of which you speak?

:ohdear::ohdear:

It's a common mistake. I've heard people refer to Morris Boulevard as well.

Bogie Shooter 05-22-2014 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 881609)
It's a common mistake. I've heard people refer to Morris Boulevard as well.

By people who live here???

Big O 05-22-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 881558)
You don't have to deal with it, and frankly I don't want to think about it either. But what really bugs me is when people bury their head in the sand, and act like nothing is wrong, or spout some vitriol at those who are concerned. It has the potential for negative consequences to the residents, so to pretend nothing is wrong, seems like a real cop out to me. Sorry if that offends anyone, but we are all entitled to our opinions. Anything that might affect my lifestyle, or pocketbook, is going to get my scrutiny, and others have said the same. Pretending it doesn't exist, or just "trusting" the Morses, is just plain foolish in my book.

What bugs me are people who worry about things they absolutely cannot control. I bought here a year and a half ago and knew about this situation and chose to go ahead anyway. Some may be in a different situation and bought before there was a problem. In any event, we have no control over it.

Indydealmaker 05-22-2014 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 881566)
Well said, and it's important for prospective buyers to learn all they can about this investigation by doing a search on this forum or by doing a google search; IRS vs The Villages.

People have to do their own research. They won't hear anything about this from their salesperson or read about it in The Daily Sun.

Researching this forum would be a huge mistake. There has been nothing but speculation. No data. Nor can there be. This is a case with zero precedent.

mickey100 05-23-2014 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 881615)
By people who live here???

Yes!

Moderator 05-23-2014 07:02 AM

Let's get back on topic or the thread will be closed.

Mr.Kris 05-23-2014 09:21 AM

OK. Back on point.

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 881666)
No data. Nor can there be. This is a case with zero precedent.

Not true. There is a ton of data here Village Community Development Districts Also, you may want to read Chp 190 of the Florida Statutes concerning the operation of CDDs.

The facts and figures are not in dispute. That was settled through the TAM process.

The issue is the application of law, regulation, and case history (precedent).

The VCCDD may eventually win, but it is clearly at a disadvantage considering the IRS/Treasury assisted in writing the laws, wrote/implemented the regulations, and participated in the case history.

Read the background and you can form your own opinion as I have.

Bogie Shooter 05-23-2014 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Moderator (Post 881717)
Let's get back on topic or the thread will be closed.

Now is the time........................

mickey100 05-23-2014 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 881441)
Well, gee. Being investigator, prosecutor, grand jury and judge, I guess you could wrap this all up by tomorrow, for free!

Maybe even land a Supreme Court appointment as compensation later!

I just love the snarky posts like this one , not. Luckily posters like this are in the minority. It really gives TOTV a bad name.

ohiogolf 05-23-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bizdoc (Post 881407)
Maybe the sink holes are caused by IRS moles undermining the District's legal position...

I thought they were caused by snowbirds like me. We are known to cause most of the problems in TV.

Indydealmaker 05-23-2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Kris (Post 881771)
OK. Back on point.



Not true. There is a ton of data here Village Community Development Districts Also, you may want to read Chp 190 of the Florida Statutes concerning the operation of CDDs.

The facts and figures are not in dispute. That was settled through the TAM process.

The issue is the application of law, regulation, and case history (precedent).

The VCCDD may eventually win, but it is clearly at a disadvantage considering the IRS/Treasury assisted in writing the laws, wrote/implemented the regulations, and participated in the case history.

Read the background and you can form your own opinion as I have.

To the best of my knowledge the IRS has never sued a CDD in Florida based upon this interpretation of their statute. That is what at issue here. Virtually, just an opinion. If it was just you and I, we would agree to disagree and go our own way, but the IRS is the 700 pound gorilla and they just won't compromise.

It would be interesting to see if the IRS targeting scandal will come into play on this since Morse is a well known conservative.

Worst case scenario is less than $5,000/house. Big dent in my Johnnie Walk Black budget!

TVMayor 05-23-2014 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 881859)
To the best of my knowledge the IRS has never sued a CDD in Florida based upon this interpretation of their statute. That is what at issue here. Virtually, just an opinion. If it was just you and I, we would agree to disagree and go our own way, but the IRS is the 700 pound gorilla and they just won't compromise.

It would be interesting to see if the IRS targeting scandal will come into play on this since Morse is a well known conservative.

Worst case scenario is less than $5,000/house. Big dent in my Johnnie Walk Black budget!

Worst case scenario is less than $5,000/house.
I don’t think so. The IRS is not after me/you or the developer. The IRS is after the CDD. It is my understanding the amity fees are caped at $155/mo. The CDD may have to take money from the flower fund or sell a golf course. The way I see it, it is not my problem. If the IRS seizes the golf course and sells it and a trailer park is built on the golf course my property value would be my problem. However I would not loose my house because I could not pay the $5,000.

Can I have an amen.

mulligan 05-23-2014 01:40 PM

FYI, the CDD's don't own the golf courses or any other amenities. My view is the IRS would penalize those who benefited from the sale and ownership of tax free bonds. That's not me.

TVMayor 05-23-2014 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 881892)
FYI, the CDD's don't own the golf courses or any other amenities. My view is the IRS would penalize those who benefited from the sale and ownership of tax free bonds. That's not me.

If memory serves me correctly the CDD sold tax free bonds to buy the amenities from the developer, if that is not the case what did they use the money for?


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