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72lions 04-11-2020 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1744711)
Actually the more I contemplate this why do we need a middle man - I'm feeling good about my own plan of doing things like the next haircut I get I will pay double or triple since a I missed one. I have no problem in being a secret santa. I have no problem giving to organizations already in existence like community chest. Plus your answer to my question was how do I get to be on the board did not get answered duck duck goose. You have already put yourself in charge. Didn't even ask me my credentials. I'm out. If I were the Morse's I would be very silent at this time. How do you know they are not secret santas?

Sorry, I didn’t know I was required to be at your attention. Look, I’m just posing a simple suggestion. There are hundreds of Community Foundations throughout the country that do great work. Yes there are many charities as well. Setting this up is simple. Distribution is hard. No, typically those participating receive no compensation. I’m not looking for a penny. Hell, I don’t care if I’m involved going forward. The point was many could sacrifice very little for the greater good. Many have posted they don’t need the relatively small cash distribution. Ok. Instead of spending it on entertainment, or giving it back (lol), offer it to a local foundation run by people who give a damn.

72lions 04-11-2020 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1744693)
What will be the requirements for someone to receive monetary aid? Who is going to establish these requirements? How are you going to vet the applicants to insure they aren't running a scam? Who is goin going to vet the people running the organization? Who is going to pay for all the filings for this organization? What will it cost to do the filing? Is there going to be a public record for everyone to review on who got money and how much? How long is it going to take before the organization is legal and begin operation? Way too many questions that need answering.

Great questions. Every for profit corporate foundation must be transparent through annual report and required IRS filings which are made public. Establishing the organization is pretty simple, probably no more than a few weeks. That’s the easy part.

72lions 04-11-2020 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1744680)
If you are wanting to help people you don't need any village organization to do it for you. There are all kinds of charity organizations in the towns around the villages that will gladly take any donation you wish to make. Take your pick.

Sure, but are they specifically concerned about the service workers who until now drove 20+ miles to serve our every need until now. Restaurants are running on skeleton staff. Most are unemployed. Just yesterday, I needed to be in Office Depot. Their staff now numbers 3.

DianeM 04-11-2020 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1744733)
Sure, but are they specifically concerned about the service workers who until now drove 20+ miles to serve our every need until now. Restaurants are running on skeleton staff. Most are unemployed. Just yesterday, I needed to be in Office Depot. Their staff now numbers 3.

Restaurants will hire staff back when this is over as will Office Depot.

In the interim, those laid off employees will also receive stimulus checks as well as having the ability to file for unemployment which has been raised quite a bit. In addition, businesses are able to obtain business loans to pay their employees which will be forgiven if they do, in fact, pay their staff.

My check, and yes I will receive one, is going to the vet techs at my veterinarian and if permitted, small gift cards to those at Publix that helped keep us fed. I don’t need anyone to decide where my money goes. I’m smart enough to decide that on my own and know who I want to help.

queasy27 04-11-2020 09:40 PM

Thanks to 72lions for the kind impulse. My preference has also been to support local charities as well as those with reasonable administrative costs.

However with such low interest rates now and no investment plans for the foundation's monies, it seems the funds might come in and be quickly disbursed, end of story. It would require a significant effort to review applications and have board meetings to review and vet each application, especially if the grants are smaller amounts.

While I admire your generous spirit and desire to help, I think for me the answer will still be to support charities I trust that already have their internal infrastructures in place and with established track records of service. However I'm very open to reconsidering down the line if this becomes a reality.

Cheapbas 04-12-2020 05:38 AM

Yes, I thought this exact same thing weeks ago. A fund created to assist the people that serve us who were reliant on wages or tips to survive. Sounds like a logistical nightmare though. Maybe just over-tip when things come back

graciegirl 04-12-2020 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1744730)
Sorry, I didn’t know I was required to be at your attention. Look, I’m just posing a simple suggestion. There are hundreds of Community Foundations throughout the country that do great work. Yes there are many charities as well. Setting this up is simple. Distribution is hard. No, typically those participating receive no compensation. I’m not looking for a penny. Hell, I don’t care if I’m involved going forward. The point was many could sacrifice very little for the greater good. Many have posted they don’t need the relatively small cash distribution. Ok. Instead of spending it on entertainment, or giving it back (lol), offer it to a local foundation run by people who give a damn.

I don't like Go Fund Me's. I think they often do not reach the intended recipients and I think people can financially support those directly who need.

wamley 04-12-2020 06:21 AM

Bravo

doyle31 04-12-2020 06:47 AM

I agree with you. I didn’t know we were all going to get $1200. You have a good idea. How to carry it forward is beyond me. Good luck

Singerlady 04-12-2020 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1744438)
Here’s an idea. Let The Villages lead the way in supporting those in need. Here’s how:

Assume 100,000 Villagers will receive $1,200. That’s $120 MILLION. Now, assume most don’t really NEED this money and 1 out if every 4 would part with it.

Let’s set up a Villages Community Foundation registered with the IRS and the State as a bone fide charitable organization.

Take the money - as much as $30 million and start providing gifts, grants and/or loans to our less fortunate workers and business owners as needed.

Who knows, maybe the Morse extended family could throw in a large contribution (tax deductible ) for good measure.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE. I AM VERY SERIOUS.

If you agree, simply post your support now. If you believe you could offer meaningful ideas and would like to help in some way, send me an email and I will start a group.

We owe something to the cashiers, restaurant workers, shop owners and their employees and others who make this a great community.

Thanks for reading.

Dale Smith
Village of Collier
VillagesCFoundation@gmail.com

I posted something similar a week or so ago. I said IF you do not need the money, CONSIDER handing out larger than normal tips (or tips where you don’t normally hand them out) to our grocery workers, hairdresser, servers, manicurists, cashiers, etc. Either way works!

oneclickplus 04-12-2020 07:31 AM

#10
 
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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1744553)
No...the Morse Family owes nothing to anyone. Im not one to post groveling how they made TV for us, and this is heaven here because of them.

BUT....this is the community your grandfather started with great hopes to give retirees a wonderful place to live.

And not one word from them...billionaires.... just give something..say something...but no..nothing

#10) You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Let's stop discussing what the Morse's are (or are not) doing.

MandoMan 04-12-2020 07:31 AM

I think this is a lovely idea. However, I doubt that many residents of The Villages will be getting the full $1,200. I know that I will be getting only $100.

jrm4081@juno.com 04-12-2020 07:33 AM

Dale,
Your idea is a nice and thoughtful one but most of us who would be willing to participate are already charitable way before the stimulus check. We will give 10% first to our Church, followed by the Wildwood Food Pantry, Humane Society, etc. etc. etc. and perhaps some work on our home providing money to a work person. Also, my husband and I have moved 20 times first with the military and then with corporate. We have never lived in a more beautiful and enjoyable place so please all who do--stop putting down the Morse family and stop pretending to know whether or not they are charitable. We all need to take care of ourselves and not expect the Morse family to become our rescuers.

Tviper36 04-12-2020 07:34 AM

Why not use it as was intended as stimulus. Spend at the local businesses

Heytubes 04-12-2020 07:37 AM

Dr. Ben Carson from the ghetto is a prime example of success. Read his book.

nancyre 04-12-2020 07:37 AM

Make life easy - We have charities already in place - share it with the Lady Lake and Wildwood food pantries, Homebound (currently forced to close) that function all year. The Food Pantries have an immediate need for funds and have an immediate visible result and they can use the support so they can share it with the surrounding community.

ficoguy 04-12-2020 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1744438)
Here’s an idea. Let The Villages lead the way in supporting those in need. Here’s how:

Assume 100,000 Villagers will receive $1,200. That’s $120 MILLION. Now, assume most don’t really NEED this money and 1 out if every 4 would part with it.

Let’s set up a Villages Community Foundation registered with the IRS and the State as a bone fide charitable organization.

Take the money - as much as $30 million and start providing gifts, grants and/or loans to our less fortunate workers and business owners as needed.

Who knows, maybe the Morse extended family could throw in a large contribution (tax deductible ) for good measure.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE. I AM VERY SERIOUS.

If you agree, simply post your support now. If you believe you could offer meaningful ideas and would like to help in some way, send me an email and I will start a group.

We owe something to the cashiers, restaurant workers, shop owners and their employees and others who make this a great community.

Thanks for reading.

Dale Smith
Village of Collier
VillagesCFoundation@gmail.com

If I do get anything I will send to my brother and sister in NJ who got laid off from the casinos.

ficoguy 04-12-2020 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by doyle31 (Post 1744815)
I agree with you. I didn’t know we were all going to get $1200. You have a good idea. How to carry it forward is beyond me. Good luck

I’m would pay your house cleaner or lawn person an extra week like at Christmas. Direct assists are best. No overhead

lindaelane 04-12-2020 08:06 AM

This sad thread, with many suggesting innocent victims of our present high unemployment do not deserve help, has become one factor weighing on my not-yet-final decision of whether or not to continue living in The Villages. How can you be so lacking in empathy, compassion and/or intelligence? I will assume, kindest assumption of the three, that it is the later and you are not bright enough to realize people who lost their jobs to this disaster need help. (Isn't it possible they were so young they had no emergency fund yet, or that their emergency fund had already been drained by another emergency and not yet built back up, or that they were never educated about having an emergency fund, which is just pitiful. I know there are "cheats" but in this terrible time we can help those who lost their job without judgment about their emergency funds.)

Cranford61 04-12-2020 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1744666)
The Foundation, if established would be a Florida corporation organized under IRS Code 501(C)(3) which requires detailed records, a Board and Officer structure and annual federal tax filing. I have extensive experience in running and serving on non profit Boards, but my personal interest at present is gauging if there is sufficient support at this important time when initial funding support could be a true community effort. Fe3l free to send questions or an expression of support to VillagesCFoundation@gmail.com.

Is there any sunset clause or does this Foundation run in perpetuity? What about the Solumam? family who operates many restaurants in the Villages but has a son who often is in the paper for beating on his girlfriend. Does he get gifted too? Who decides worthiness of the beneficiaries?

JSR22 04-12-2020 08:17 AM

Suleiman Family
 
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Originally Posted by Cranford61 (Post 1744880)
Is there any sunset clause or does this Foundation run in perpetuity? What about the Solumam? family who operates many restaurants in the Villages but has a son who often is in the paper for beating on his girlfriend. Does he get gifted too? Who decides worthiness of the beneficiaries?

Nate Suleiman is a COUSIN. He has nothing to with the restaurants!

Eg_cruz 04-12-2020 08:35 AM

Wow...mind blown
Someone says that’s do something good in a very positive post about helping others (the thousands of people out of work in our community) and some how things like “don’t be jealous of the Morris family, You’re poor because of bad choices you made in life and all the other ugly statements made. Makes me just shake my head. No positive feed back .....it’s stuff like this is why people say The Villagers have entitlement issue......have you all forgotten you once worked for a living. Let’s put this situation that we are in day and say in 1990, you are working and you have a family of four and out of nowhere you have a Stay at Home......would you feel the same way as you do today. Just understand no one ask for this so, can we just do our best to remember there are young families out there that are truly scared.

mamamia54 04-12-2020 08:40 AM

America’s Friendliest Hometown!

CoachKandSportsguy 04-12-2020 08:43 AM

my god, people don't understand the difference between optional opt - in question and required opt-out question? The OP question was an optional opt-in question, meaning only people interested should proceed further, a required post on here is not even required. I wish there was a mute or block button for some posters so I don't have to read their verbal diahrea.

The OP wants to do something nice, has some experience, and if he can make it work, great! I can see some of the obstacles and understand the concepts, but am in no position to contribute. But to discourage or to criticize the inquiry of interest is really pretty petty and mean. Sometimes I wonder what I will say when I meet and figure out who some of the very opinionated "I must post my entitled negative opinion to every post I think or feel is idiotic for me."

sportsguy

kfembry 04-12-2020 09:01 AM

I've worked for a community foundation in Indiana. When setting up the foundation, a certain amount of money can be put aside to give grants immediately and the rest of the money is "endowed" and managed by an investment group or board of trustees. They take the profits to use as the "grants". In order to receive a grant, you must apply/comply with a certain criteria. This, of course, is decided by the board. The one I worked for only gave to non-profits for their use in helping the community. It is a great way to help without it being a "handout" to just anyone. At this time of all the uncertainty, giving whatever we can to help others is always a good thing.

Cranford61 04-12-2020 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kfembry (Post 1744934)
I've worked for a community foundation in Indiana. When setting up the foundation, a certain amount of money can be put aside to give grants immediately and the rest of the money is "endowed" and managed by an investment group or board of trustees. They take the profits to use as the "grants". In order to receive a grant, you must apply/comply with a certain criteria. This, of course, is decided by the board. The one I worked for only gave to non-profits for their use in helping the community. It is a great way to help without it being a "handout" to just anyone. At this time of all the uncertainty, giving whatever we can to help others is always a good thing.

Does it ever end?

Bogie Shooter 04-12-2020 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1744913)
my god, people don't understand the difference between optional opt - in question and required opt-out question? The OP question was an optional opt-in question, meaning only people interested should proceed further, a required post on here is not even required. I wish there was a mute or block button for some posters so I don't have to read their verbal diahrea.

The OP wants to do something nice, has some experience, and if he can make it work, great! I can see some of the obstacles and understand the concepts, but am in no position to contribute. But to discourage or to criticize the inquiry of interest is really pretty petty and mean. Sometimes I wonder what I will say when I meet and figure out who some of the very opinionated "I must post my entitled negative opinion to every post I think or feel is idiotic for me."

sportsguy

Look under settings, you can do.

justjim 04-12-2020 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1744553)
No...the Morse Family owes nothing to anyone. Im not one to post groveling how they made TV for us, and this is heaven here because of them.

BUT....this is the community your grandfather started with great hopes to give retirees a wonderful place to live.

And not one word from them...billionaires.... just give something..say something...but no..nothing

It might be a bit of a stretch to say “this is heaven here...”. It is a wonderful retirement community. :coolsmiley:

charlieo1126@gmail.com 04-12-2020 09:17 AM

Why make a big deal over it
 
[QUOTE=72lions;1744438]Here’s an idea. Let The Villages lead the way in supporting those in need. Here’s how:

Assume 100,000 Villagers will receive $1,200. That’s $120 MILLION. Now, assume most don’t really NEED this money and 1 out if every 4 would part with it. Just ask around find a couple of people give it to them they need money now

Let’s set up a Villages Community Foundation registered with the IRS and the State as a bone fide charitable organization.

Take the money - as much as $30 million and start providing gifts, grants and/or loans to our less fortunate workers and business owners as needed.

Who knows, maybe the Morse extended family could throw in a large contribution (tax deductible ) for good measure.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE. I AM VERY SERIOUS.

If you agree, simply post your support now. If you believe you could offer meaningful ideas and would like to help in some way, send me an email and I will start a group.

We owe something to the cashiers, restaurant workers, shop owners and their employees and others who make[/L w just ask around find a couple of people they need it now not later

kfembry 04-12-2020 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cranford61 (Post 1744947)
Does it ever end?

Goes into perpetuity.

davem4616 04-12-2020 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1744438)
Here’s an idea. Let The Villages lead the way in supporting those in need. Here’s how:

Assume 100,000 Villagers will receive $1,200. That’s $120 MILLION. Now, assume most don’t really NEED this money and 1 out if every 4 would part with it.

Let’s set up a Villages Community Foundation registered with the IRS and the State as a bone fide charitable organization.

Take the money - as much as $30 million and start providing gifts, grants and/or loans to our less fortunate workers and business owners as needed.

Who knows, maybe the Morse extended family could throw in a large contribution (tax deductible ) for good measure.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE. I AM VERY SERIOUS.

If you agree, simply post your support now. If you believe you could offer meaningful ideas and would like to help in some way, send me an email and I will start a group.

We owe something to the cashiers, restaurant workers, shop owners and their employees and others who make this a great community.

Thanks for reading.

Dale Smith
Village of Collier
VillagesCFoundation@gmail.com


we decided weeks ago that we'd gift the $2400 we'll be receiving to those in need

we'll do it privately though and we have identified who we'll gift money to

your suggestion, though very well intended, will involve administrative efforts and somewhere along the line someone will want a piece of the action for their time

secondly the last thing I want to see happen is for anyone to get involved in our decisions pertaining to whom, how much, how often and when I help those with less than we have that are in need

BTW, leave the Morse family out of this. I'm sure that the Morse family is already doing a lot to help those in need.

Challenger 04-12-2020 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1744438)
Here’s an idea. Let The Villages lead the way in supporting those in need. Here’s how:

Assume 100,000 Villagers will receive $1,200. That’s $120 MILLION. Now, assume most don’t really NEED this money and 1 out if every 4 would part with it.

Let’s set up a Villages Community Foundation registered with the IRS and the State as a bone fide charitable organization.

Take the money - as much as $30 million and start providing gifts, grants and/or loans to our less fortunate workers and business owners as needed.

Who knows, maybe the Morse extended family could throw in a large contribution (tax deductible ) for good measure.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE. I AM VERY SERIOUS.

If you agree, simply post your support now. If you believe you could offer meaningful ideas and would like to help in some way, send me an email and I will start a group.

We owe something to the cashiers, restaurant workers, shop owners and their employees and others who make this a great community.

Thanks for reading.

Dale Smith
Village of Collier
VillagesCFoundation@gmail.com


I am a great believer Community Foundations . Was a founding director and chairman of a Foundation in Washington County Maryland (pop 135,000), prior to moving here

That being said we do not need to reinvent the wheel here at this time I know of at least two Community Foundations serving this area which would be happy to establish Donor Advised Funds for the purposes that you describe . There are also many 501c 3 charities serving almost every human need that we could imagine in and around the Village, ie Salvation Army, dozens of child care groups, food banks ----------.

I do enthusiastic support your suggestion that those who do not need stimulus funds, make contributions to existing relief groups. Those of us who are fortunate enough to be free of significant financial issues will most probably " bank" the funds. This accomplishes nothing toward the goal of stimulus. Giving to those who help others will assure that these funds get back into the economy quickly while helping the suffering, sick , hungry, those out of a job and many others.

Challenger 04-12-2020 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1744990)
we decided weeks ago that we'd gift the $2400 we'll be receiving to those in need

we'll do it privately though and we have identified who we'll gift money to

your suggestion, though very well intended, will involve administrative efforts and somewhere along the line someone will want a piece of the action for their time

secondly the last thing I want to see happen is for anyone to get involved in our decisions pertaining to whom, how much, how often and when I help those with less than we have that are in need

BTW, leave the Morse family out of this. I'm sure that the Morse family is already doing a lot to help those in need.

Yes , but of course you know that so many with no real knowledge, feel compelled to engage in "ad hominem" attacks on the Family.

Challenger 04-12-2020 09:59 AM

[QUOTE=charlieo1126@gmail.com;1744962]
Quote:

Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1744438)
Here’s an idea. Let The Villages lead the way in supporting those in need. Here’s how:

Assume 100,000 Villagers will receive $1,200. That’s $120 MILLION. Now, assume most don’t really NEED this money and 1 out if every 4 would part with it. Just ask around find a couple of people give it to them they need money now

Let’s set up a Villages Community Foundation registered with the IRS and the State as a bone fide charitable organization.

Take the money - as much as $30 million and start providing gifts, grants and/or loans to our less fortunate workers and business owners as needed.

Who knows, maybe the Morse extended family could throw in a large contribution (tax deductible ) for good measure.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE. I AM VERY SERIOUS.

If you agree, simply post your support now. If you believe you could offer meaningful ideas and would like to help in some way, send me an email and I will start a group.

We owe something to the cashiers, restaurant workers, shop owners and their employees and others who make[/L w just ask around find a couple of people they need it now not later


First Step= State approval , new corporation

Next Step - IRS Approval

Third Step - Experienced and very competent people to run it

Time frame = probably 3-6 months if it goes extremely well .


Solution to delay-- use what we already have- Hundreds of human service, and faith based, social agencies and avoid choke points above. The wheel was invented long ago and still works perfectly well.

BlackhawksFan 04-12-2020 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72lions (Post 1744438)
Here’s an idea. Let The Villages lead the way in supporting those in need. Here’s how:

Assume 100,000 Villagers will receive $1,200. That’s $120 MILLION. Now, assume most don’t really NEED this money and 1 out if every 4 would part with it.

Let’s set up a Villages Community Foundation registered with the IRS and the State as a bone fide charitable organization.

Take the money - as much as $30 million and start providing gifts, grants and/or loans to our less fortunate workers and business owners as needed.

Who knows, maybe the Morse extended family could throw in a large contribution (tax deductible ) for good measure.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE. I AM VERY SERIOUS.

If you agree, simply post your support now. If you believe you could offer meaningful ideas and would like to help in some way, send me an email and I will start a group.

We owe something to the cashiers, restaurant workers, shop owners and their employees and others who make this a great community.

Thanks for reading.

Dale Smith
Village of Collier
VillagesCFoundation@gmail.com

Great idea even if you got less than ypur projection a lot of good could be done.

Thanks for thinking of others in this time while some of the respondents can only think of themselves.

This post has surely shown, the good, the bad and the ugly that live within the community walls.

jklfairwin 04-12-2020 10:24 AM

Many have no choice. You worked hard, but you were also very lucky. You were lucky in the family you were born into and the genes you inherited. You were lucky to be born in a time and place where your skills could be developed and there was a market for them. You were lucky that you had the physical and mental ability to do what you did. Not everyone is lucky. Be grateful, not condescending.

Two Bills 04-12-2020 10:37 AM

As the old saying goes.
"If you want to get rich, start a Church or a Charity!"

DianeM 04-12-2020 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lindaelane (Post 1744873)
This sad thread, with many suggesting innocent victims of our present high unemployment do not deserve help, has become one factor weighing on my not-yet-final decision of whether or not to continue living in The Villages. How can you be so lacking in empathy, compassion and/or intelligence? I will assume, kindest assumption of the three, that it is the later and you are not bright enough to realize people who lost their jobs to this disaster need help. (Isn't it possible they were so young they had no emergency fund yet, or that their emergency fund had already been drained by another emergency and not yet built back up, or that they were never educated about having an emergency fund, which is just pitiful. I know there are "cheats" but in this terrible time we can help those who lost their job without judgment about their emergency funds.)

Do you live in a vacuum? Those that lost their jobs will also receive a stimulus check. They are entitled to unemployment which has been raised substantially. Businesses can apply for loans that will not need to be paid back if used to pay employees. Young or older makes no difference. Distribute your stimulus as you wish not at the behest of someone else and be careful who you point fingers at for being unintelligent.

Two Bills 04-12-2020 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jklfairwin (Post 1745040)
Many have no choice. You worked hard, but you were also very lucky. You were lucky in the family you were born into and the genes you inherited. You were lucky to be born in a time and place where your skills could be developed and there was a market for them. You were lucky that you had the physical and mental ability to do what you did. Not everyone is lucky. Be grateful, not condescending.


As Gary Player once said.
"The harder you work, the luckier you get."

Kenswing 04-12-2020 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1744913)
my god, people don't understand the difference between optional opt - in question and required opt-out question? The OP question was an optional opt-in question, meaning only people interested should proceed further, a required post on here is not even required. I wish there was a mute or block button for some posters so I don't have to read their verbal diahrea.

The OP wants to do something nice, has some experience, and if he can make it work, great! I can see some of the obstacles and understand the concepts, but am in no position to contribute. But to discourage or to criticize the inquiry of interest is really pretty petty and mean. Sometimes I wonder what I will say when I meet and figure out who some of the very opinionated "I must post my entitled negative opinion to every post I think or feel is idiotic for me."

sportsguy

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