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Lightning 06-11-2020 12:29 PM

Lightning protection systems have been protecting people and property world-wide for over 260 years. They have been the subject of numerous studies over the decades including rocket-to-wire triggered lightning research at the University of Florida.
You may have noted that The Villages has installed LPS on every pumping station, all sewage treatment plants, fire department headquarters including the adjacent emergency operations center, and nearly every building at Sumter Landing. Hospitals and educational facilities are required to be protected by the building code. Most large churches and hotels in the area are also protected as is the Sharon Performing Arts Center and the Savannah Center among many others.

Chatbrat 06-11-2020 01:29 PM

If you can change a circuit breaker in your panel, you can install a whole house surge protector, one wire connects to the neutral bar-- sooo simple, its a plug in installation

The hardest part is removing the panel cover and 2 -1" twist out covers-- a 6 minute job

biker1 06-11-2020 01:30 PM

Regarding the warranty coverage, reread post #18, particularly the part where there is no coverage if the surge originates after the SECO transformer (i.e. a close in strike). Read the warranty, don't rely on what someone on the phone says.

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Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1782068)
Thanks all for your help and comments.

Just purchased the Seco surge protector which costs $ 349 plus tax installed and carriers a 15 year warranty.

Lady I spoke to says we get a warranty that covers lightning damage to all appliances but does not cover computers or TV.

Asked about difference between doing it outside on box or by inside panel and her answer was better to protect against surges before they get inside your house.

Could have save $ 150 or so by having outside contractor install one but this way in the event that lightning destroys our frig we do not get into a he said/she said between Seco and outside contractor.

Apparently does not come with extra individual surge protectors as someone said.

Seco also said buy a good one not one from a dollar store and no difference between a unit that have room for 6 plus or individual one.

We already have surge protection for our computer but will now buy additional ones for TV's


Lightning 06-11-2020 06:13 PM

For TVs consider routing the coaxial cable through the surge protector. Unfortunately, this is often overlooked.
SECO stopped selling point of use (POU) surge protectors about three years ago. When purchasing POU surge protectors look for the UL label marked 1449 and Type 3.

HiHoSteveO 06-11-2020 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightning (Post 1782334)
For TVs consider routing the coaxial cable through the surge protector. Unfortunately, this is often overlooked.
SECO stopped selling point of use (POU) surge protectors about three years ago. When purchasing POU surge protectors look for the UL label marked 1449 and Type 3.

And when buying, the higher number of "joules" rating, the better.

retiredguy123 06-12-2020 04:02 AM

I would just ask, if these surge protectors are so inexpensive and offer cost effective protection against electrical surges and lightning, then why aren't they required by the electrical code? I believe that the reason is that they are not effective. They are just another way for the electric companies and contractors to make additional profit by making false claims. Most houses don't have them, and don't have significant damage to their appliances and electronics.

Stu from NYC 06-12-2020 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1782458)
I would just ask, if these surge protectors are so inexpensive and offer cost effective protection against electrical surges and lightning, then why aren't they required by the electrical code? I believe that the reason is that they are not effective. They are just another way for the electric companies and contractors to make additional profit by making false claims. Most houses don't have them, and don't have significant damage to their appliances and electronics.

Wonder why they are not in fact required by code?

Windguy 06-12-2020 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1782052)
Unplug what you don't want fried in a storm.
Millions of volts travelling many miles at supersonic speeds are not going to be stopped in their tracks by a made made device half the size of a shoebox. lol

I believe the issue isn’t how to protect your equipment from a rare direct hit by lightning, but how to protect it from common surges in the electrical grid. Surge suppression is a really good idea.

Windguy 06-12-2020 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1782068)
Lady I spoke to says we get a warranty that covers lightning damage to all appliances but does not cover computers or TV.

Any good power-strip surge suppressor or UPS will include a warranty that covers anything plugged into it.

retiredguy123 06-12-2020 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1782527)
I believe the issue isn’t how to protect your equipment from a rare direct hit by lightning, but how to protect it from common surges in the electrical grid. Surge suppression is a really good idea.

I agree that surge suppression is a good idea. But, that is the responsibility of the electric company, and they do a good job. But, telling homeowners that they need to buy an add-on device because the electrical system is inadequate doesn't make sense to me. If the surge device was really needed, it could easily be incorporated into the standard electrical panel and be required by code. The only evidence I have seen that you need a whole house surge protector is anecdotal evidence by people who already paid money for it. Where is the proof?

johnadamsUSMC 06-12-2020 11:38 AM

Lightning protection
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1782549)
I agree that surge suppression is a good idea. But, that is the responsibility of the electric company, and they do a good job. But, telling homeowners that they need to buy an add-on device because the electrical system is inadequate doesn't make sense to me. If the surge device was really needed, it could easily be incorporated into the standard electrical panel and be required by code. The only evidence I have seen that you need a whole house surge protector is anecdotal evidence by people who already paid money for it. Where is the proof?

My co-instructor and I teach classes (mainly to the military worldwide). Here's a few comments:
1. Contrary to what we were always taught, lightning DOES NOT follow the "path of least resistance". It follows many paths "proportionately"
2. As one reader said, the best bet (but not the cheapest) is installing air gap terminals on the roof that'll be connected to a grounding electrode that's been thoroughly tested. That electrode will also need to be connected to the power company electrode (per code)
3. And finally, as someone said, NOTHING is going to TOTALLY eliminate all damages caused by a direct shot of lightning. Too much energy coming in.
4. Prayers are probably the closest to solving all your problems

Lightning 06-12-2020 02:06 PM

All utilities (electric, water, gas, telephone,CATV) are are only responsible for their service on their side of the meter. After the meter it is you the homeowner who is responsible. Every year there are residents who experience preventable damage to TVs, computers, appliances, garage door operators, etc. due to an indirect lightning strike without surge protection. It is up to you to do your own due diligence. Lightning is not addressed in the National Electric Code. It is addressed in NFPA 780, Standard for the Installation of Lightning Protection Systems,2020, including surge protection. Healthcare and and educational facilities must comply under the building code. It is not required for residential properties but does provide sound guidance based on decades of experience with lightning. A good reference is University of Florida professor Dr. Martin Uman's book, The Art and Science of Lightning Protection. This book can be found in TV Belvedere Library.

Stu from NYC 06-12-2020 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightning (Post 1782871)
All utilities (electric, water, gas, telephone,CATV) are are only responsible for their service on their side of the meter. After the meter it is you the homeowner who is responsible. Every year there are residents who experience preventable damage to TVs, computers, appliances, garage door operators, etc. due to an indirect lightning strike without surge protection. It is up to you to do your own due diligence. Lightning is not addressed in the National Electric Code. It is addressed in NFPA 780, Standard for the Installation of Lightning Protection Systems,2020, including surge protection. Healthcare and and educational facilities must comply under the building code. It is not required for residential properties but does provide sound guidance based on decades of experience with lightning. A good reference is University of Florida professor Dr. Martin Uman's book, The Art and Science of Lightning Protection. This book can be found in TV Belvedere Library.

Thanks for the info. Interesting that Lightning would weigh in on Lightning:bigbow:

Topspinmo 06-13-2020 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1781544)
In The Villages?


Yes, in the villages I see them all over. Digital antennas are unusual looking, nothing like the old Tv antennas of 50s.


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