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dewilson58 08-04-2016 08:28 AM

Oh well.

gerryann 08-04-2016 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1265971)
I don't understand why anyone would be upset about a free online newspaper. :confused:
I believe you have to subscribe to receive it. If you joined by accident, it's very easy to cancel your subscription.

I don't believe anyone is "upset" over it. Just voicing an opinion.

Barefoot 08-04-2016 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1265971)
I don't understand why anyone would be upset about a FREE online newspaper. :confused:
I believe you have to subscribe to receive it. If you joined by accident, it's very easy to cancel your subscription.

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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1265972)
Wrong. The thing is free, online. No need to pay money for it.

That's what I said, the online newspaper is FREE!!!!
If you want the newspaper to automatically appear every morning in your email basket,
you can subscribe to this FREE online newspaper.
If you wish to stop receiving it daily, you can cancel your subscription to this FREE online newspaper.

gerryann 08-04-2016 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Miles42 (Post 1266087)
I am a resident, I do not find it to be a rag. It just reports the news. None of is a lie that I see so far.

Has nothing to do with WHAT they report, but the WAY they report. Misspelling, sensationalize stories. It's just not done in a professional manner. They need to at the least take a journalism class. There is no getting around the fact that they are a "rag". People will continue to read it, just like people keep buying National Inquirer. People eat this junk up......go figure.

RickeyD 08-04-2016 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1266091)
I don't "blindly follow the developer's interests." I just like it here. I am also a capitalist and I like when private enterprise does a good job. The developer's family all might be nasty people and greedy as hell, I don't know them and I doubt you do either.

I am more than satisfied with my life here.



cap·i·tal·ist
kapdlst/
noun
1.
a wealthy person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism.
"the creation of the factory system by nineteenth-century capitalists"
synonyms:financier, investor, industrialist; More

gerryann 08-04-2016 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1266093)
Actually some of them are probably quite nice.

I truly doubt that. They are opinionated morons. I guess you don't read their garbage. It's actually quite comical.

Barefoot 08-04-2016 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1266126)
I don't believe anyone is "upset" over it. Just voicing an opinion.

The OP called it a "tabloid rag that was smearing our community".
He/she seemed upset to me.
But perhaps "concerned" would have been a better word choice than upset.

RickeyD 08-04-2016 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1266091)
I don't "blindly follow the developer's interests." I just like it here. I am also a capitalist and I like when private enterprise does a good job. The developer's family all might be nasty people and greedy as hell, I don't know them and I doubt you do either.

I am more than satisfied with my life here.



Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kahuna32162 08-04-2016 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1266137)
Has nothing to do with WHAT they report, but the WAY they report. Misspelling, sensationalize stories. It's just not done in a professional manner. They need to at the least take a journalism class. There is no getting around the fact that they are a "rag". People will continue to read it, just like people keep buying National Inquirer. People eat this junk up......go figure.

This forum is also free and chuck full of lots of negative comments about TVHS as well as any thing else that happens around here that some one doesn't like. Rumors run rampant and posters openly complain and condem contractors, services and restaurants on a regular basis.

If you ever want to see the true ugly under belly of America's Frienglist Hometown just read a few threads in the political forum. They are anonymous giving the poster free rein to level a vitriolic tirade on anything or anyone they don't agree with.

Both the online news source and TOTV are free and only require a click to access. If one, the other or both make you crazy, don't click on them.

twoplanekid 08-04-2016 09:52 AM

I look at and read both CNN and Fox News. Both can be a bit ragged at times. Same is true of the happy paper and village online news. Well, maybe not the happy paper being dirty.

Barefoot 08-04-2016 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kahuna32162 (Post 1266152)
Both the online news source and TOTV are free ..... If one, the other or both make you crazy, don't click on them.

:bowdown:

Buffalo Jim 08-04-2016 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1266148)

:agree:

There sure seems to be a lot of very unhappy people living here . And the volume of complaints never slow down they are constant .

If I were reading this site from up North and thinking of visiting here to check it out I might well decide otherwise .

Major reason would be all of the negatives about the Development Company . Based on what I would read from afar the Development Company is constantly abusing the folks that purchased homes from them .

Sort of like the old days when people worked in a coal mine and lived in company owned homes and had to purchase everything from the company store .

It all just sounds terrible and like an awful place to live .

njbchbum 08-04-2016 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by skyking (Post 1265985)
Some of the comments here imply that the editor of this online news tries to paint The Villages in a negative light. I don't see that. It is basically a "police blotter" with the vast majority of information coming from police reports in and around our community. There is not a lot of good news to be found in police reports but they are factual. The Daily Sun reminds me of the regional neighborhood news papers up north. Not much real news, more local features and a vehicle for local advertising.

Once upon a time during what was a spate of criminal/suspicious activity in TV, several posters on TOTV promised to be in contact with local police for updates on such activity and to share that police information here in the forums.

It never happened! The on-line news more than fills that need/desire now.

gerryann 08-04-2016 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kahuna32162 (Post 1266152)
This forum is also free and chuck full of lots of negative comments about TVHS as well as any thing else that happens around here that some one doesn't like. Rumors run rampant and posters openly complain and condem contractors, services and restaurants on a regular basis.

If you ever want to see the true ugly under belly of America's Frienglist Hometown just read a few threads in the political forum. They are anonymous giving the poster free rein to level a vitriolic tirade on anything or anyone they don't agree with.

Both the online news source and TOTV are free and only require a click to access. If one, the other or both make you crazy, don't click on them.

Never said they make me "crazy". If they did, I wouldn't read.

I agree TOTV very often slams TV as well.

I don't go on the political. Who cares what "anonymous" has to say?

graciegirl 08-04-2016 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim (Post 1266161)
:agree:

There sure seems to be a lot of very unhappy people living here . And the volume of complaints never slow down they are constant .

If I were reading this site from up North and thinking of visiting here to check it out I might well decide otherwise .

Major reason would be all of the negatives about the Development Company . Based on what I would read from afar the Development Company is constantly abusing the folks that purchased homes from them .

Sort of like the old days when people worked in a coal mine and lived in company owned homes and had to purchase everything from the company store .

It all just sounds terrible and
like an awful place to live .

That is what is upsetting to me too. I am a person who lives here and I am very proud of my choice to live here. I am blessed with so many good experiences that I never dreamed I would have in the fall of my life. I have friends who are much younger and friends who are much older and I have the time to paint and draw in a magnificent building with people far more talented than me that are very nice and helpful. I can play golf as much as I want as I watch my golf game go down the tubes. I can brag about my grandchildren if I allow others to brag about theirs. I am spending day after day in a lovely home with two people I love in a community of decent, law abiding folks with many similar views and interests.

I HATE it when people malign the whole durn place.

gerryann 08-04-2016 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim (Post 1266161)
:agree:

There sure seems to be a lot of very unhappy people living here . And the volume of complaints never slow down they are constant .

If I were reading this site from up North and thinking of visiting here to check it out I might well decide otherwise .

Major reason would be all of the negatives about the Development Company . Based on what I would read from afar the Development Company is constantly abusing the folks that purchased homes from them .

Sort of like the old days when people worked in a coal mine and lived in company owned homes and had to purchase everything from the company store .

It all just sounds terrible and like an awful place to live .

I agree. Too much negativity about TV. But.........I don't care what anyone says....this place IS changing.

gerryann 08-04-2016 10:14 AM

I should have added. I think the changes have a lot to do with the fact that it's growing too fast. Way too crowded.

Fred R 08-04-2016 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1266146)
I truly doubt that. They are opinionated morons. I guess you don't read their garbage. It's actually quite comical.

Man,, that is just plain MEAN.

phairmason 08-04-2016 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim (Post 1266161)
:agree:

There sure seems to be a lot of very unhappy people living here . And the volume of complaints never slow down they are constant .

If I were reading this site from up North and thinking of visiting here to check it out I might well decide otherwise .

Major reason would be all of the negatives about the Development Company . Based on what I would read from afar the Development Company is constantly abusing the folks that purchased homes from them .

Sort of like the old days when people worked in a coal mine and lived in company owned homes and had to purchase everything from the company store .

It all just sounds terrible and like an awful place to live .

It does sound horrid. The Kansas City Star is doing a series on HOAs that makes this company town look angelic.

A piece of advice originally suggested to me for online reviews (e.g., Amazon) that also applies here: Skim the unrealistically gushing and negative information and focus on the content that actually provides useful information.

gerryann 08-04-2016 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fred R (Post 1266178)
Man,, that is just plain MEAN.

Seriously? I guess you don't read the comments on the letters. I wasn't referring to the letters themselves, just the comments. Four same people every day. The most ridiculous is Oppenheimer, or something like that.

goodtimesintv 08-04-2016 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1265874)
I told you guys a few months ago that "the other newspaper online" is a tabloid rag, but apparently many of you like the smearing of our community spread across the country to readers who've never even been here.

This (screen shot) showed up in my Facebook news feed because some Friends had clicked "like" long ago to the "newspaper's" website.

Of course letters to the editor should be published. But the editorial lead-in that the "newspaper" added above the photo (starting with 'Kool-Ade' and ending with asking 'Thoughts?') adds more trash to the pitiful cries of the letter writer who was apparently forced to move here at gunpoint, and isn't allowed to move away, either:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...7-34-46-pm-jpg

:ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:

Since some of you insist on purposely missing the point, here is my original post with screen shot again.

I didn't say anything against publishing complaints about your pet villain, the 'evil rich' developers.

I didn't say anything about the content of the letter to the editor.

I directed attention to the unnecessary, clearly BIASED captioning and lead-in editorializing they put in above and below the photo ('Kool-Ade'....'Bleeding you'...etc.). This is not journalism! This is tabloidism!

Here's a news flash: pretty much every employer you've ever had, and auto dealer and home builder you've ever bought from is/was far richer than you were. Get over it.

And as for all the pitiful souls who think they've been hoodwinked by buying a home here, that's your own fault for ignoring what you've heard all your life: "Buyer, beware".

We have never bought a home (many times) based on being convinced by real estate agents and advertising that no circumstance would ever arise to make us want to move.

Having to move is always a possibility. A tornado could wipe out 500 homes tonight, and some here would blame that on the developers too.

But you won't hesitate to want them here, halting all their other construction to put their crews on rebuilding your home a whole lot faster than it would take anywhere else, as they DID in 2007.

Think about it.

Gpsma 08-04-2016 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1266196)
Here's a news flash: pretty much every employer you've ever had, and auto dealer and home builder you've ever bought from is/was far richer than you were. Get over it.

.

But not one employer, auto dealer or home builder continued to exert any undue influence over my personal living situation. Can you say the same about the Esteemed and Benevolent Morse Family?

Think about it.

spring_chicken 08-04-2016 11:08 AM

Umm, you are aware that your quoted words (kool aid and bleeding) are a letter TO the editor. NOT the words of the editor? Or were you too anxious to run to TOTV and bash before comprehending the situation?

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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1265972)
Wrong. The thing is free, online. No need to pay money for it.

And as I said in the first post, I didn't go there to purposely look at it.

It came into my facebook news feed because a couple of friends had "liked" it awhile ago. The "Kool-Ade", "ever so slowly bleeding you" in the captions by the "news"paper were too noticeable to overlook.


spring_chicken 08-04-2016 11:11 AM

"I directed attention to the unnecessary, clearly BIASED captioning and lead-in editorializing they put in above and below the photo ('Kool-Ade'....'Bleeding you'...etc.). This is not journalism!"

Of course it's not! Because it wasn't written by the editor! But you've unleashed your rage before even knowing WTH you're talking about! Your points are totally lost on me when you can't even get that!

ColdNoMore 08-04-2016 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1266206)
Umm, you are aware that your quoted words (kool aid and bleeding) are a letter TO the editor. NOT the words of the editor? Or were you too anxious to run to TOTV and bash before comprehending the situation?

:agree:

goodtimesintv 08-04-2016 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1266203)
But not one employer, auto dealer or home builder continued to exert any undue influence over my personal living situation. Can you say the same about the Esteemed and Benevolent Morse Family?

Think about it.

They do try. They try like crazy.

But I was taught to think for myself. And I do.

I would not hesitate to move if that's what I had to do to utilize and benefit from my best choice in medicare and insurance plans that include the best doctors I research and can get onboard with.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

-- Aristotle

ColdNoMore 08-04-2016 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1266093)

Actually some of them are probably quite nice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1266146)

I truly doubt that. They are opinionated morons.


The irony in that exchange... actually made me laugh out loud. :D

goodtimesintv 08-04-2016 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1266206)
Umm, you are aware that your quoted words (kool aid and bleeding) are a letter TO the editor. NOT the words of the editor? Or were you too anxious to run to TOTV and bash before comprehending the situation?

As I said before, putting it out front in large, bold type, in the captioning and titling before the reader ever gets to the letter writer's original statement of it, is unnecessary, BIASED, editorializing.

If you think I don't comprehend, after reading what I have written, that's your lack of comprehension and insight.

Barefoot 08-04-2016 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1266207)
"I directed attention to the unnecessary, clearly BIASED captioning and lead-in editorializing they put in above and below the photo ('Kool-Ade'....'Bleeding you'...etc.). This is not journalism!"

Of course it's not! Because it wasn't written by the editor! But you've unleashed your rage before even knowing WTH you're talking about! Your points are totally lost on me when you can't even get that!

:bowdown:

goodtimesintv 08-04-2016 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1266213)
:bowdown:

See post #72.

gerryann 08-04-2016 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1266211)
The irony in that exchange... actually made me laugh out loud. :D

I agree! Hysterical!

Kahuna32162 08-04-2016 12:31 PM

So this thread has detriated into poster vs poster, time to close it and move on.

gerryann 08-04-2016 12:44 PM

I only see polite disagreement.

Bavarian 08-04-2016 01:53 PM

We did not get involved with the Villages Health Care System when we moved here three years ago. I have good insurance continuing in retirement. doubt we will buy Medicare B. Can't see the need.

Had an HMO once, and did not like it. In The Government we could change insurance every year. Like what we have now.

Seems like in Family businessence The First Generation builds the business, the Second Generation keeps it going as it was, the Third and lower Generations, let it fall apart as too many people have different ideas and they want money.

rubicon 08-04-2016 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 1266072)
You are completely out of touch with the feelings of many of your fellow Villagers. As usual, you blindly follow the developer's interests just like the Daily Sun. After some recent changes many of us will no longer "go quietly into the night." There are more of us than you realize. I enjoy living in The Villages, but I am not going to defend the Villages propaganda anymore. I have lost my tolerance for newspaper articles in the Daily Sun about the "Healthiest, Friendliest Hometown."

Happydaz. Well said and as expressed in my corporate days "Disagreement doesn't mean disloyalty". One can be upset about some flaw, rule, policy, etc here and still love living here.

disagreement is how people eventually come to a consensus ,

Mleeja 08-04-2016 02:14 PM

You know, like it or not, we are a community of 100,000 people. Within a community of this size we are going to have crime, drunk and disorderly, and unhappy people. Just like any other city of 100,000, we have our problems. (Probably less). I made a comment wayyyy back on the first page wondering how many people who constantly trash TV and the developers are actual residents. I think some go out of their way to make TV look bad. Why, I don't know. I am not going to take the time to comment about The Villages Health Network or the island under the Morse Blvd. bridge because there are other threads to do this. The point I want to make is the majority of the residents probably do not even bother to check the other news site or even this one. They are too busy enjoying the heck out of this place.

I know I will be soundly criticized for asking this, as others before me have, but if you are a resident of TV and are that unhappy with TV or the developers, why do you still live here? The homes in The Villages sell rather quickly and there are several other communities with very affordable and nice homes in this area. Why not just move an save yourself all the grief and resentment?

If you not a resident of TV why do you feel the need to make negative comments about the place so many of us enjoy the heck out of?

Retiring 08-04-2016 02:23 PM

There is nothing wrong with pointing out some of the negatives to living in TV. Just as there is nothing wrong focusing on the positives to living in TV. Whenever I read a story about a DUI or shooting into a home or corrupt salesperson or unfriendly… I always keep in mind the size of TV and these are stories about individuals not the community. Any city with 100k+ residents has problems. I do think TV has fewer problems than cities of comparable size, but I have no statistics to back that up. My experience from a couple visits to TV is the pros far outweigh the cons. If you plan to be an active senior, come to TV is what I tell friends.

As for turning people away from TV, the Sales office can take some blame. First look at the trolley tour. I’ve taken it twice, 6 mons apart. The first, a nice elderly woman tour guide, had many facts wrong, example, all champion courses are free, the bonds run $10-30k so not very accurate. The other tour was this spring. A nice 80yo gentlemen guide, went on and on about the alligators in TV. He said stuff like: Yes we have alligators, don’t touch the alligators, there are alligators in this pond and that pond and that pond over there, please tell your guests to not touch the alligators… This man had a great fascination with alligators and spent one third of the tour talking about them. At the end of the tour, half the people on the bus said they would look elsewhere for a 55+ community. He literally frightened away half the visitors on the bus. As for the people with me, I told them in the week that I had been in TV I had not seen a gator. That seemed to help.

VApeople 08-04-2016 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 1266346)
At the end of the tour, half the people on the bus said they would look elsewhere for a 55+ community. He literally frightened away half the visitors on the bus.

I guess they are looking for a place in Florida where the lakes do not have alligators.

ColdNoMore 08-04-2016 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1266342)
I know I will be soundly criticized for asking this, as others before me have, but if you are a resident of TV and are that unhappy with TV or the developers, why do you still live here? The homes in The Villages sell rather quickly and there are several other communities with very affordable and nice homes in this area. Why not just move an save yourself all the grief and resentment?

Serious question here, do you feel the same about those who criticize our President or government?

Should those people move to another country?

What so many don't seem to get, is that the vast majority of us who DO live here yet occasionally express something we don't like, or a negative situation we experienced...still think it is overall a good place to live.

But why does expressing those things, seem to set so many of you off into 'attack mode?'

I just really don't get it. :confused:

ColdNoMore 08-04-2016 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 1266346)
As for turning people away from TV, the Sales office can take some blame. First look at the trolley tour. I’ve taken it twice, 6 mons apart. The first, a nice elderly woman tour guide, had many facts wrong, example, all champion courses are free, the bonds run $10-30k so not very accurate. The other tour was this spring. A nice 80yo gentlemen guide, went on and on about the alligators in TV. He said stuff like: Yes we have alligators, don’t touch the alligators, there are alligators in this pond and that pond and that pond over there, please tell your guests to not touch the alligators… This man had a great fascination with alligators and spent one third of the tour talking about them. At the end of the tour, half the people on the bus said they would look elsewhere for a 55+ community. He literally frightened away half the visitors on the bus. As for the people with me, I told them in the week that I had been in TV I had not seen a gator. That seemed to help.


WOW! :eek:

While I admit to having never taken the Trolley Tour, I have taken the boat ride at Lake Sumter many times.

While they do spin tall tales about the supposed 'history' of the place, it is more tongue-in-cheek and very few believe the creosote factory explosion. :D

But if your experiences on the Trolley isn't just an anomaly (which would be pretty high odds, that only you have experienced such misinformation/negativity).....I would suggest someone from the Sales Office pay attention to what you wrote.


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