[Honeybadger#47]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

Has anyone found a car dealership that doesn't play "the game"? When I'm ready to buy a new car I hate to be treated like an idiot. I recently found a car I liked. Instead of getting a straight answer about price, the salesman had to "talk with my manager" and the "game begins"! The manager comes with a "deal you can't refuse". I did refuse and built the same car online for much less than my "deal" I was quoted!

I don't know if this bothers anyone else but it just rubs me wrong! Price the darn things at prices where you make the profit you want and tell me what it is! I can then take it or leave it!

tell a new car dealer to lose the dealer pack...the car was detailed by the mfg...also tell them that the finance man's back end is out of the question!!! good luck...you are better off buying a unsed car from an independent dealer or a private owner...good luck again!!!

[wendyquat]

Thanks, I know you are right about buying a good used car but I can't help but be suspicious when one wants to part with a newer model with low miles. I've been looking around and prices for used cars seem very high!

[Golfer in Sanibel]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

Thanks, I know you are right about buying a good used car but I can't help but be suspicious when one wants to part with a newer model with low miles. I've been looking around and prices for used cars seem very high!

Wendy, Many 2,3 or 4 year old used cars are lease returns. The best quality used cars a dealer can get are lease returns because most people who lease will have their cars serviced regularly so they won't have to pay extra at lease end. Plus, the dealer may be able to show you the entire service history of that vehicle. I bought a Certified Pre-owned, three year old, $45,000 (when new) Audi for $24000 and got a 6 year 100,000 mile warranty. It had only 22,000 miles on it.

Three tips for buying used cars are;
1) always get the CarFax and read it thoroughly. If you cannot read it ask the salesman to go over it with you.
2) Find out who the previous owner was and call them. Ask them what issues they had with the car and why they got rid of it. Most people would be open to helping you and they have no vested interest in selling the car.
3) If the dealership has a franchise for that brand automobile ask the salesperson to get the service history from his service dept.

In response to other comments on this thread regarding new cars;

Many dealers don't allow their salespeople to negotiate price. That is why the salesman have to check with the manager. Eliminate all of that by buying through the dealers Internet Dept. Make an offer online to the dealership via email and if it is not accepted move on to another dealership.

The KBB "fair" price is a hoax as are KBB used car prices. They are way out of line. If you pay the KBB "fair" price you paid too much.

The best way to buy a car without haggling is to buy via the dealer's Internet Sales Dept. Most dealers will have their best prices online. Shop all the dealers in your area. If the Internet Dept. won't give you a price email another dealer. Make them an offer. Forget fairness. They will rip your lips off if you let them. Set what you are willing to pay and stick to it.

If you don't get a sales price "back of invoice" at the end of the month you are paying too much. You should get at least $500 under invoice plus get all incentives when buying at the end of the month. If the dealer won't go under invoice move on. Many, many other dealers will.

Don't get hung up on color. Color is an emotion. There isn't a color you won't get tired of in 6 months, anyway. If you are hung up on a color that is popular and there are not many in your area of that color, you limit your shopping options. And if the dealer knows he has what you want and his competition does not he'll be even less flexible on the price.

Don't get hung up on an individual dealer. I do not agree with finding a dealer and sticking with him. That is old-school. Go for price, only. Any dealer will service your car. Trust me, the dealer won't be loyal to you. If you think so he is fooling you.

If you are buying a new domestic car and know someone who worked for that company, ask them if they can help you get a better price. Ford and GM have "friends and family" pricing you can get via their employees.

I, personally, have sold nearly 5000 cars and trucks and salespeople working for me have sold tens of thousands more.

PM me if you have other questions.

[wendyquat]

Wow Golfer, what great information! Are ALL you guys from Ohio so nice and helpful? Thanks

[PJOHNS2654]

Originally Posted by Honeybadger#47

tell a new car dealer to lose the dealer pack...the car was detailed by the mfg...also tell them that the finance man's back end is out of the question!!! good luck...you are better off buying a unsed car from an independent dealer or a private owner...good luck again!!!

I am wanting to check out the new Lincoln MKZ Hybrid. One dealer says they will be in any day now and another says not to the summer.

[tommy steam]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

Wow Golfer, what great information! Are ALL you guys from Ohio so nice and helpful? Thanks

Just check out Truecar.com , they have a no hassle buying..too long to explain here. Car dealers don't like it but with the Internet today they have to bite the bullet.

[Shimpy]

The best deals I've ever made was when I wasn't buying a car but only helping someone(relative) negotiate the deal. It wasn't my money, and I couldn't care less about the car. With that attitude I got in both instances a much better deal than if I really wanted that car for myself. You got to be able to say "no" and walk away.