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Topspinmo 01-19-2025 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 2402546)
My exact thoughts; such an unfair world for some here in TV.

Actually don’t even have to go, just have it delivered. I see Kroger’s truck all the time.

Normal 01-19-2025 10:39 AM

Albertsons
 
I would be for an Albertsons instead of seeing more Publix stores.

Number 10 GI 01-19-2025 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2402728)
Aren’t we kinda in 3rd world county? :thumbup:

"You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. That's the signpost up ahead – your next stop, the Twilight Zone!"

bagboy 01-19-2025 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2402730)
I would be for an Albertsons instead of seeing more Publix stores.

We went to Albertsons in Key West (now closed) a few years ago. It was absolutely the filthiest business of any kind I had ever been in. It was so bad in fact, we walked back out without shopping and I've not been in another one since. Apparently some are better than others

CFrance 01-19-2025 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 2402750)
We went to Albertsons in Key West (now closed) a few years ago. It was absolutely the filthiest business of any kind I had ever been in. It was so bad in fact, we walked back out without shopping and I've not been in another one since. Apparently some are better than others

That's interesting, because back when we were spending winters in Key West, the Publix was absolutely filthy, and Albertson's was very clean. It had the most amazing homemade rosemary olive bread, too.
But then it got sold, so I don't know what happened to it. We were there from 2004 to 2009.

Rodneysblue 01-19-2025 11:47 AM

Winn Dixie is still open in Spanish Springs just a short ride away. Also Publix and Walmart.

Normal 01-19-2025 12:00 PM

Anything
 
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 2402754)
That's interesting, because back when we were spending winters in Key West, the Publix was absolutely filthy, and Albertson's was very clean. It had the most amazing homemade rosemary olive bread, too.
But then it got sold, so I don't know what happened to it. We were there from 2004 to 2009.

Anything new construction as long as it isn’t a bank like Citizen’s First, a Publix or another gas station is a good thing. For Publix to dictate everything in the area is ridiculous. There are other chains in Florida.

RickyLee 01-19-2025 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 2402352)
Oh the horror of living in a third world community....having to go 4 miles further for more "upscale" grocery shopping. And my Publix was also out of 1% milk this week the one day I was there. I actually had to make a separate trip the following day to get milk. Such a tough life.


Living in Paradise comes with a price

Topspinmo 01-19-2025 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 2402750)
We went to Albertsons in Key West (now closed) a few years ago. It was absolutely the filthiest business of any kind I had ever been in. It was so bad in fact, we walked back out without shopping and I've not been in another one since. Apparently some are better than others

Maybe it was key west? With 5 o’clock somewhere attitude? :ho:

Topspinmo 01-19-2025 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2402730)
I would be for an Albertsons instead of seeing more Publix stores.


Wow, I thought Albertsons when out of business 30 years ago? Must of downsized out of areas I lived in?

jmaccallum 01-19-2025 12:20 PM

The fall of Winn-Dixie had absolutely nothing to do with The Villages nor any lease agreement with the Developer.

Winn-Dixie has been struggling since 2004 when it announced losses of $79.5 million in just one quarter. Since then Winn-Dixie has gone into Bankruptcy THREE times - in 2005, 2009 and again in 2018.

Bottom line, Winn-Dixie got beat by its competition - mainly Walmart - as Winn-Dixie positioned itself as a like-kind low priced grocer. Publix, on the other hand, went up-scale - differentiating itself by offering products and services not available at the lower priced grocers, albeit at a price, yet thus avoiding direct competition.

Also, Aldi did not buy Winn-Dixie. Aldi Sud bought Southeastern Grocers, Winn-Dixie parent company. And for those of you clamoring for a TRADER JOE’S in The Villages, BOTH Aldi and Trader Joe’s are owned by the same folks - the Albrecht family. Aldi is actually an abbreviation for Albrecht Discounts.

[Note: And for those who want to get technical - yes, there are two Aldi companies - Aldi Nord & Aldi Sud - created when the Albrecht brothers couldn’t agree on whether or not to sell cigarettes in the stores. Aldi Nord owns Trader Joe’s. However, both are private companies (and I do mean very private, here) and both are owned by Foundations of the Albrecht family and heirs - one of the richest, secluded and non-public families in Germany.]

Normal 01-19-2025 12:25 PM

Hmmm
 
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Originally Posted by jmaccallum (Post 2402772)
The fall of Winn-Dixie had absolutely nothing to do with The Villages nor any lease agreement with the Developer.

Winn-Dixie has been struggling since 2004 when it announced losses of $79.5 million in just one quarter. Since then Winn-Dixie has gone into Bankruptcy THREE times - in 2005, 2009 and again in 2018.

Bottom line, Winn-Dixie got beat by its competition - mainly Walmart - as Winn-Dixie positioned itself as a like-kind low priced grocer. Publix, on the other hand, went up-scale - differentiating itself by offering products and services not available at the lower priced grocers, albeit at a price, yet thus avoiding direct competition.

Also, Aldi did not buy Winn-Dixie. Aldi Sud bought Southeastern Grocers, Winn-Dixie parent company. And for those of you clamoring for a TRADER JOE’S in The Villages, BOTH Aldi and Trader Joe’s are owned by the same folks - the Albrecht family. Aldi is actually an abbreviation for Albrecht Discounts.

[Note: And for those who want to get technical - yes, there are two Aldi companies - Aldi Nord & Aldi Sud - created when the Albrecht brothers couldn’t agree on whether or not to sell cigarettes in the stores. Aldi Nord owns Trader Joe’s. However, both are private companies (and I do mean very private, here) and both are owned by Foundations of the Albrecht family and heirs - one of the richest, secluded and non-public families in Germany.]

What most of us understand is that”Sud” means south and “Nord” means north. What a coincidence I guess.

J1ceasar 01-19-2025 01:13 PM

Aldi generally is 20 to 30% less
 
Salmon is one item out of 50,000 and probably within 50 cents or a dollar of anywhere

I love the smoked salmon or the Atlantic trout at Aldi's.

I also love the fact that I don't have to walk two miles to find something in a bigger store
Cashiers are the fastest I've ever seen

probably
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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2402332)
I agree with OP the loss of a true grocery to Aldi wouldn’t fit our grocery needs, even for a quick necessity.

Then again anyone remember Sweetbay in LSL, until it was bought by WD? I loved that store staff was knowledgeable, great deli, well stocked.

Now LSL gets to shop out of a cardboard box. My guess is Kroger trucks will be far more prominent around LSL.
I am confused why would anyone buy salmon from Aldi, when Fresh Market has better quality in the same price range.


Just jimmy 01-19-2025 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by swooner (Post 2402347)
Perhaps Winn Dixie's decision could have had to do with the rent charged by The Villages. Wouldn't be the first time that happened.

The whole chain was sold to Aldi.

bagboy 01-19-2025 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2402769)
Maybe it was key west? With 5 o’clock somewhere attitude? :ho:

:beer3:

jimmy o 01-19-2025 02:10 PM

LSL Aldi
 
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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2402320)
I miss the Supermarket at Lake Sumter. One of the advantages of Living in the Lake Sumter area of the Villages has been the Supermarket. Most of the Village food markets are located on the major roads. Lake Sumter was fortunate to have a real market since 2006.

The ALDI procurement and decision to close Winn Dixie in favor of an Aldi store a year later leaves us with a gap. It also leaves us with something less than a true supermarket. No Deli, no butchers, no produce manager, bakery. It is likely that ALDI has determined that their decision will be economically correct.

Whenever ALDI opens, we will have lower prices, but a limited choice of brands. Meats and cheeses all prepackaged. The ALDI model has no specialty careers but rather a crew of multi tasked employees they can bounce around to operate cash registers, shelf stocking, floor washing, toilet cleaning, trash removal etc. It basically a box store.

They can't even get types of potato chips in the right box. Went to an ALDI on 441 today for a container of No Fat milk. None available. No 1%. Had to settle for 2%. I don't think anyone there cares. They just said they get what they get.

I go to ALDI for some items such as milk, oranges , bananas etc. Certainly not for no name cold cuts or cut cheese in a plastic sealed pack.

I personally think that stores like ALDI are great for a major hi-way but I will miss the supermarket at Lake Sumter.

I too miss the WinnDixie, but…As I recall announcement, it’s going to be an Aldi with limited WinnDixie supermarket. Before being upset with what we think is coming, we should wait and see what actually is coming. We might actually like it.

kkingston57 01-19-2025 02:20 PM

Have been seeing posts for years regarding rent charged by the developer. Does anyone have objective information which would sow that they charge more than others and if so how much higher are they?

kkingston57 01-19-2025 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2402680)
I agree. There are about 10 Publix stores in The Villages area, and each one has gross sales of about $40 million per year. I would be very surprised if they are sharing any of this revenue with the landlord. It would make a lot more sense for them to buy land and build their own stores. In the north, Giant builds their own stores and even owns their own construction company. These large stores may have a landlord, but they certainly don't need one.

Only person(s) who can answer that ? is the person(s) who have seen and read the lease.

retiredguy123 01-19-2025 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2402817)
Only person(s) who can answer that ? is the person(s) who have seen and read the lease.

I agree, but they probably won't show you the lease.

UpNorth 01-19-2025 02:59 PM

Cashiers are the fastest I've ever seen


So true. I think they are trained for speed. I've ben to a few ALDI stores that also have self-serve check-outs. Great when you only have a few items. Hope the include them at LSL.

jmaccallum 01-19-2025 04:20 PM

It’s not a surprise that the LSL Winn-Dixie is being converted to an Aldi. Stores the size of Winn-Dixie can’t be profitable with only Villages patrons. Not enough roof-tops. The LSL Winn-Dixie needed to also draw customers from outside The Villages. Ever wonder why there is no Villages Gate south of 466 nor north of 466A on Morse Boulevard? Yep, they tried but it never really worked. The LSL Winn-Dixie location is tucked too far inside The Villages with no easy access from a major thoroughfare. Villagers might think Morse Blvd. Is a major thoroughfare, but it ain’t. In that vein, I would guess LSL Winn-Dixie had quite the favorable Lease - but still not enough.

Will Aldi be profitable at that location - probably much so. Because of their size, approximately 25-30% of a Winn-Dixie, and their modus operandi - drop your quarter for a shopping buggy, get your items, bag ‘em and get out, oh and get your quarter back - they don’t need as much traffic. But if they do get anywhere near the traffic that LSL Winn-Dixie had then the Aldi will be very profitable.

It will take time for people to become accustomed - different items, different brands - but there is documented significant savings at Aldi versus Winn-Dixie. The savings along with convenience of location will most likely end up winning a lot of Villagers “Hearts and Minds.” Before you disagree, just look at their Social Media following.

CFrance 01-19-2025 05:46 PM

Way off topic, but if anyone has a dog on the green bean diet, frozen are 96 cents a bag, steam in the bag. No additives.

BrianL99 01-19-2025 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2402816)
Have been seeing posts for years regarding rent charged by the developer. Does anyone have objective information which would sow that they charge more than others and if so how much higher are they?

The Lease the District signed with the Developer for the new District Office in Brownwood, is public information. We all know the Developer controls the District.gov operation. In comparison to other office space in the general area, the District is paying way more than market rate for the space.

As for the retail space the Developer leases, there's no such thing as "higher than others". It's all based on the market and the volume of sales and profit margin the user can generate.

Leasing retail space is different than leasing Office space (or Industrial or otherwise).

Office space can be compared based on location, convenience, parking availability, aesthetics, etc. Retail space has only ONE criteria ... how much revenue can be generated, in the opinion of the Lessee. If the numbers work, the business leases the space. If they don't work, the space stays vacant.

In other words, for retail space in The Villages, there are no absolutes nor objective criteria. How much money can be generated from the space and how does that base cost, fit into the business' revenue/profit model, is the only analysis.

coffeebean 01-19-2025 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2402652)
Honestly do you buy Everything at Aldi? Never enter a grocery because Aldi has all of your grocery needs?

The loss of a grocery for some isn’t an issue because they can drive elsewhere. However there are some TV residents, who are cart bond, easily get lost due to unfamiliar surroundings.
The loss of WD will be a very big deal to them.

My main grocery store is Colony Publix. I will surely miss Winn Dixie for those times when I am in or very near LSL to pop into a regular grocery store for what ever I need. I've been to a couple of Aldi stores and they do not have so many of the items I purchase on a regular basis. Oh well.

coffeebean 01-19-2025 08:13 PM

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BrianL99 01-19-2025 08:24 PM

I live about a mile from the former Winn Dixie at LSL.

6 days a week, I go through that parking lot, coming and going to a golf course.

It sure was convenient to stop and pick up something for dinner or sugar or cream for my morning coffee.

I've been back in The Villages since October, it's nearing 4 months that I've survived the inconvenience.

On the positive side, I'm never tempted to buy some crap piece of steak they always seemed to have on sale at Winn Dixie. Anything is a major improvement on what's there right now. I'd settle for a convenience store.

asianthree 01-20-2025 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2402888)
I live about a mile from the former Winn Dixie at LSL.

6 days a week, I go through that parking lot, coming and going to a golf course.

It sure was convenient to stop and pick up something for dinner or sugar or cream for my morning coffee.

I've been back in The Villages since October, it's nearing 4 months that I've survived the inconvenience.

On the positive side, I'm never tempted to buy some crap piece of steak they always seemed to have on sale at Winn Dixie. Anything is a major improvement on what's there right now. I'd settle for a convenience store.

Honestly thought WD didn’t start clearing shelves until late November early December.

Garywt 01-20-2025 06:19 PM

I do feel for the OP as ALDI is a useless store in my opinion. I know people like it but it is not for me to unorganized and not enough products or selections.

Stu from NYC 01-20-2025 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2403147)
I do feel for the OP as ALDI is a useless store in my opinion. I know people like it but it is not for me to unorganized and not enough products or selections.

Lots of us like it and do understand the layout of the store

Papa_lecki 01-20-2025 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2402816)
Have been seeing posts for years regarding rent charged by the developer. Does anyone have objective information which would sow that they charge more than others and if so how much higher are they?

When the real estate group of Winn Dixie searcher for space, they know the price per square foot and all the other details of the lease for all the commercial real estate space both inside and outside the Villages (i.e. owned and not owned by the developer).

If the real estate group thought the economics of not being in the Villages was not good for their shareholders, there would be no grocery stores inside the Villages.

Same goes for the restaurants, the retail stores, and the fast food places.

coffeebean 01-20-2025 11:16 PM

I was in an Aldi a few days ago at dinner time and was very disappointed in the messy appearance of the store at that hour. There was stuff all over the floor and the boxes that hold the products were strewn all over the place. It looked as if there was no attempt at keeping the store presentable. I'm so used to walking into any Publix at any time of day and the stores always look pristine. Am I spoiled by Publix?

CFrance 01-21-2025 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2403192)
I was in an Aldi a few days ago at dinner time and was very disappointed in the messy appearance of the store at that hour. There was stuff all over the floor and the boxes that hold the products were strewn all over the place. It looked as if there was no attempt at keeping the store presentable. I'm so used to walking into any Publix at any time of day and the stores always look pristine. Am I spoiled by Publix?

There's no expectation of Aldi's to look like Publix. If they're just opening, things may be in disarray; I don't know. We have plenty of supermarket choices here, though.

Laker14 01-24-2025 06:33 AM

I used to shop frequently at the LSL Winn Dixie. As COVID waned, but prices were rising like crazy and nobody knew what anything cost, I was shopping there and needed 5 lbs of King Arthur Bread Flour and a jar of yeast. The bright yellow cardboard sign declared the flour was $7.49, and yeast was $6.49, with exclamation points, as if this was an amazingly great set of prices. I wasn't sure what it would cost elsewhere, but I chose not to buy them. At Publix in Colony, $5.98, and $3.49, and at the Walmart Neighborhood Store, each item was even 50 cents less than Publix. I expect to see a 5 or 10 percent higher price at Publix, but 36% was a lot more than I was willing to spend for the convenience of shopping at that Winn Dixie. I don't think I ever set foot into that store since that day.


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