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mraines 01-19-2025 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2402469)
The Landlord doesn't "get a cut", he gets his RENT, which in the retail industry, is typically partly based on sales volume.

My understanding is the Developer gets a cut of the profits as well as rent.

Bill14564 01-19-2025 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2402652)
Honestly do you buy Everything at Aldi? Never enter a grocery because Aldi has all of your grocery needs?

The loss of a grocery for some isn’t an issue because they can drive elsewhere. However there are some TV residents, who are cart bond, easily get lost due to unfamiliar surroundings.
The loss of WD will be a very big deal to them.

Aldi is a grocery.

I don't buy everything at any one store. Each of the stores I go to have something unique that I like. I haven't paid enough attention to Aldi to know if I could live with that as my only store.

For some that are cart bound, having an Aldi that is golf cart accessible will be a very big deal to them.

dewilson58 01-19-2025 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2402662)
Aldi is a grocery.

I don't buy everything at any one store. Each of the stores I go to have something unique that I like. I haven't paid enough attention to Aldi to know if I could live with that as my only store.

For some that are cart bound, having an Aldi that is golf cart accessible will be a very big deal to them.

Agree

dewilson58 01-19-2025 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mraines (Post 2402659)
My understanding is the Developer gets a cut of the profits as well as rent.

Wrong understanding.

retiredguy123 01-19-2025 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2402674)
Wrong understanding.

I agree. There are about 10 Publix stores in The Villages area, and each one has gross sales of about $40 million per year. I would be very surprised if they are sharing any of this revenue with the landlord. It would make a lot more sense for them to buy land and build their own stores. In the north, Giant builds their own stores and even owns their own construction company. These large stores may have a landlord, but they certainly don't need one.

Bill14564 01-19-2025 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2402680)
I agree. There are about 10 Publix stores in The Villages area, and each one has gross sales of about $40 million per year. I would be very surprised if they are sharing any of this revenue with the landlord. It would make a lot more sense for them to buy land and build their own stores. In the north, Giant builds their own stores and even owns their own construction company. These large stores may have a landlord, but they certainly don't need one.

Of the five Publix closest to me, four are on land owned by companies with addresses in Sumter Landing or Brownwood. The fifth, Trailwinds, is on land owned by a company out of Tampa.

I am not about to look up every company that is golf-cart accessible, but it appears to be the rare case (CostCo might be one) where the Villages sells the land rather than leases it.

As far as sharing profits - percentage rent appears to be not uncommon for retail leasing. I would be surprised to learn it wasn't used by the Villages.

dewilson58 01-19-2025 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2402692)
As far as sharing profits - percentage rent appears to be not uncommon for retail leasing. I would be surprised to learn it wasn't used by the Villages.

If used, TV does a percent of revenues, not profits.
(as does most landlords)
Profits can be manipulated.

BrianL99 01-19-2025 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mraines (Post 2402659)
My understanding is the Developer gets a cut of the profits as well as rent.

Retail Leasing "rent" typically includes 4 components, fixed rent, CAM, taxes and % of revenue above base.

Fixed Rent is usually a price per square foot.

CAM = Common Area Maintenance charges.

Taxes = proportionate share of property taxes.

% above base = The Lessor typically gets a small percentage of the gross revenue, after a "base" number (1% of revenue after $5M, or whatever it may be).

retiredguy123 01-19-2025 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2402721)
Retail Leasing "rent" typically includes 4 components, fixed rent, CAM, taxes and % of revenue above base.

Fixed Rent is usually a price per square foot.

CAM = Common Area Maintenance charges.

Taxes = proportionate share of property taxes.

% above base = The Lessor typically gets a small percentage of the gross revenue, after a "base" number (1% of revenue after $5M, or whatever it may be).

I agree, but there is a huge difference between leasing to a small gift shop and to a large grocery store, like Publix. In The Villages, the developer needs Publix more than Publix needs the developer.

Topspinmo 01-19-2025 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 2402352)
Oh the horror of living in a third world community....having to go 4 miles further for more "upscale" grocery shopping. And my Publix was also out of 1% milk this week the one day I was there. I actually had to make a separate trip the following day to get milk. Such a tough life.

Aren’t we kinda in 3rd world county? :thumbup:

Topspinmo 01-19-2025 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 2402546)
My exact thoughts; such an unfair world for some here in TV.

Actually don’t even have to go, just have it delivered. I see Kroger’s truck all the time.

Normal 01-19-2025 10:39 AM

Albertsons
 
I would be for an Albertsons instead of seeing more Publix stores.

Number 10 GI 01-19-2025 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2402728)
Aren’t we kinda in 3rd world county? :thumbup:

"You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. That's the signpost up ahead – your next stop, the Twilight Zone!"

bagboy 01-19-2025 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2402730)
I would be for an Albertsons instead of seeing more Publix stores.

We went to Albertsons in Key West (now closed) a few years ago. It was absolutely the filthiest business of any kind I had ever been in. It was so bad in fact, we walked back out without shopping and I've not been in another one since. Apparently some are better than others

CFrance 01-19-2025 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 2402750)
We went to Albertsons in Key West (now closed) a few years ago. It was absolutely the filthiest business of any kind I had ever been in. It was so bad in fact, we walked back out without shopping and I've not been in another one since. Apparently some are better than others

That's interesting, because back when we were spending winters in Key West, the Publix was absolutely filthy, and Albertson's was very clean. It had the most amazing homemade rosemary olive bread, too.
But then it got sold, so I don't know what happened to it. We were there from 2004 to 2009.


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