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Bogie Shooter 02-16-2015 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pivo (Post 1013766)
Dr. Winston--I.ve been here now about 5 months, prior to that I lived up north and I was on the comp. just about every day for about 2 years checking prices on homes from the villages and realtors, Ifelt then and now I have a very good idea about the prices, and most today, I say most are overpriced, You can go nearby and get twice the house you pay for in the villages, I know the answer lifestyle, well nearby has the same advantages as the villages, they have everything the villages has except katie belle.
Thats my opinion, most residents won't admit because they are more or less stuck here, so naturally they will come up with the good, like no snow, well then no skiing either.

Twice the house and all the advantages (what does that mean?), sorry you made a mistake.
I ain't stuck here, I can leave whenever I want.

golf2140 02-16-2015 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pivo (Post 1013766)
Dr. Winston--I.ve been here now about 5 months, prior to that I lived up north and I was on the comp. just about every day for about 2 years checking prices on homes from the villages and realtors, Ifelt then and now I have a very good idea about the prices, and most today, I say most are overpriced, You can go nearby and get twice the house you pay for in the villages, I know the answer lifestyle, well nearby has the same advantages as the villages, they have everything the villages has except katie belle.
Thats my opinion, most residents won't admit because they are more or less stuck here, so naturally they will come up with the good, like no snow, well then no skiing either.

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Gee they are only selling 200 + homes a month, what bad business practice!!!!!

tomwed 02-16-2015 04:45 PM

He's right if you don't play free exec golf, softball, archery, shoot air guns, play croquet or lawn bowling, like woodworking or join any clubs. Last I heard there were over 1,000 you could join.

pivo 02-16-2015 04:47 PM

Bogey, First I didn't say I made a mistake, I said you can get a house nearby for halve
the price you would pay for in the villages, As far as the advantages you have the same advantages as a resident except golf and the centers,

I'm not knocking the villages just saying the truth and not making it out better than what it is. Lijke I said anything neg. about the villages the same answers , well I don't have to shovel snow, no kidding, you can't ski either. It's a nice place here but being honest there is a lot of problems here, with driving and the attitude of some people.

Chatbrat 02-16-2015 04:51 PM

When new houses are built without giving the purchaser a choice as to trim & extras--they sit on the mkt & dilute the mkt--spec homes do nothing but dilute the mkt--custom homes drive it up, also despite--the closer to Wildwood & Fruitland Pk all not help sales

A barrier is a comfort factor

Beechie 02-16-2015 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pivo (Post 1013766)
Dr. Winston--I.ve been here now about 5 months, prior to that I lived up north and I was on the comp. just about every day for about 2 years checking prices on homes from the villages and realtors, Ifelt then and now I have a very good idea about the prices, and most today, I say most are overpriced, You can go nearby and get twice the house you pay for in the villages, I know the answer lifestyle, well nearby has the same advantages as the villages, they have everything the villages has except katie belle.
Thats my opinion, most residents won't admit because they are more or less stuck here, so naturally they will come up with the good, like no snow, well then no skiing either.

It's a shame that it didn't work out for you. If you had been studying intensely for about two years and determined that the TV homes were all over priced then why did you buy in TV? How can one make such a fallacious statement that most residents won't admit that they are stuck here? That is certainly not our experience or anyone we know here.

When you sell will you be selling at the going rate or will you sell for what you think it is really worth?

pivo 02-16-2015 05:07 PM

Beechiie- Read what I said okay, I didn't say I didn't like it here okay, I posted about the prices of nearby places, that happens to be the truth okay, you are an example of a resident who don't like to hear the truth, I'll say it one more time, You can buy twice the home you get here in the villages nearby,

janmcn 02-16-2015 05:17 PM

It doesn't say how long sales have been slow, but shouldn't sales be higher in January and February when more people are visiting? This doesn't bode well for the Fruitland Park section, where bare-bones designers are supposed to start at $500,000.

justjim 02-16-2015 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by queasy27 (Post 1013714)
Lyle Gant has sales statistics on his website.

Click the link for "2001 - 2014 Sales Stats" to track year by year. YTD sales for 2015 is also available.

:posting: "sort of" looks like Lyle's data is MLS Resales. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong? The Villages not belonging to MLS---his data wouldn't reflect the sale of new homes by Property of The Villages.

graciegirl 02-16-2015 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 1013800)
It doesn't say how long sales have been slow, but shouldn't sales be higher in January and February when more people are visiting? This doesn't bode well for the Fruitland Park section, where bare-bones designers are supposed to start at $500,000.


I doubt it that they will be priced higher.

Our rep told us that they always sell more homes here in May and June. That is when we bought here, both times.

looneycat 02-16-2015 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pivo (Post 1013793)
Beechiie- Read what I said okay, I didn't say I didn't like it here okay, I posted about the prices of nearby places, that happens to be the truth okay, you are an example of a resident who don't like to hear the truth, I'll say it one more time, You can buy twice the home you get here in the villages nearby,

I'll agree only as far as you may be able to get a bigger house for the money but not even half the HOME you get here! :D

janmcn 02-16-2015 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1013651)
Yes, it's 466A! The highway is Lake County responsibility and the bridge Sumter County. Neither have anything to do with sales In TV IMHO.

I find the discussion regarding sales interesting but not unusual. As a development enters deeper into the final phase it's only natural for sales to slow a bit over time. By anybody's imagination, sales are still very very good. The marketing strategy of selling TV is exceeded by no one. :thumbup:

For the umpteenth time, it is not the bridge that needs work (which the county is responsible for), it is the land under the bridge which is sinking and needs shored up. The estimate for this work ranges up to 1.5 million, and will be paid by the district ie the residents.

Beechie 02-16-2015 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pivo (Post 1013793)
Beechiie- Read what I said okay, I didn't say I didn't like it here okay, I posted about the prices of nearby places, that happens to be the truth okay, you are an example of a resident who don't like to hear the truth, I'll say it one more time, You can buy twice the home you get here in the villages nearby,

What's with the "okay" you sound like Bugsy Moran. For the record I was responding to your previous post when your comment about "not saying I didn't like it here" was posted.

It's not a case of not liking to hear anything negative about TV. It is however the constant complaints backed by an erroneous claim that most residents are stuck here. You could have fooled me though about your liking it here.

You didnt have to say it one more time pivo. I never questioned the fact that you get less house in TV than elsewhere. We were well aware of that but it didn't change our minds in the least.

pivo 02-16-2015 05:29 PM

Looneycat- Hi- I don't understand if you can get a bigger home for the money but not half the home here.

Beechie 02-16-2015 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1013806)
I'll agree only as far as you may be able to get a bigger house for the money but not even half the HOME you get here! :D

Couldn't agree more looneycat.

Laurie2 02-16-2015 05:49 PM

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pivo 02-16-2015 05:52 PM

Beechie--- you couldn't agree on what, is your nose out of joint , because I mentioned
you can get twice the home for price wise as you would in the villages.

It doesn't bother I chose to live where I want.

so I'll say it again.

You can get twice the house nearby than you will get in the villages.

But I still like it here,I like it here, I like it here

has nothing to do witj prices elsewhere

Bogie Shooter 02-16-2015 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pivo (Post 1013784)
Bogey, First I didn't say I made a mistake, I said you can get a house nearby for halve
the price you would pay for in the villages, As far as the advantages you have the same advantages as a resident except golf and the centers,

I'm not knocking the villages just saying the truth and not making it out better than what it is. Lijke I said anything neg. about the villages the same answers , well I don't have to shovel snow, no kidding, you can't ski either. It's a nice place here but being honest there is a lot of problems here, with driving and the attitude of some people.

And posters.

Beechie 02-16-2015 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pivo (Post 1013842)
Beechie--- you couldn't agree on what, is your nose out of joint , because I mentioned
you can get twice the home for price wise as you would in the villages.

It doesn't bother I chose to live where I want.

so I'll say it again.

You can get twice the house nearby than you will get in the villages.

But I still like it here,I like it here, I like it here

has nothing to do witj prices elsewhere

Pivo you don't need to reiterate anything.

You clearly missed looneycat's post which is to say a house is just a place where people live. A home is truly where the heart is. Laurie2 summed it up by stating the "lifestyle" angle.

I hear you pivo so I'll echo your sentiments to all...Pivo really likes it in TV

cmj1210 02-16-2015 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pivo (Post 1013766)
Dr. Winston--I.ve been here now about 5 months, prior to that I lived up north and I was on the comp. just about every day for about 2 years checking prices on homes from the villages and realtors, Ifelt then and now I have a very good idea about the prices, and most today, I say most are overpriced, You can go nearby and get twice the house you pay for in the villages, I know the answer lifestyle, well nearby has the same advantages as the villages, they have everything the villages has except katie belle.
Thats my opinion, most residents won't admit because they are more or less stuck here, so naturally they will come up with the good, like no snow, well then no skiing either.

Most of the Seniors today are extremely educated and I do not think any of us are as you say "Stuck Here". They do their research and they do not buy without thinking out the consequenses. I do not know about you, but personally I am not "Stuck Here." If I ever feel we are not happy any more, I will put a For Sale Sign up, and move on. I for one am "Not Stuck."

pivo 02-16-2015 06:05 PM

Beechie--Bogey shooter----Thank you, I love you both

pivo 02-16-2015 06:09 PM

CMJ--I'm not stuck here either that was a figure of speech

By the way hang on what you got,

joldnol 02-16-2015 06:14 PM

It is still the fastest selling community in Fla. Much of the new inventory is composed of designers and premieres. They are still selling at a steady clip even if it is slower than in the past. Most developments wish they had the villages sales rate.

justjim 02-16-2015 06:40 PM

Bridge
 
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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 1013807)
For the umpteenth time, it is not the bridge that needs work (which the county is responsible for), it is the land under the bridge which is sinking and needs shored up. The estimate for this work ranges up to 1.5 million, and will be paid by the district ie the residents.

"Land under the bridge is sinking", I did read about that but haven't attended any District Meetings regarding details surrounding this problem. What land are they talking about? The land under the bridge I would think would be water or swamp. Is the Bridge sinking or in danger of sinking because the footings were not built to hold the weight of all the traffic? I wonder why the problem still wouldn't be the Sumter county responsibility unless the ground that is sinking has nothing to do with the bridge.

Regardless, this issue still has nothing to do with less home sales IMHO.

gomoho 02-16-2015 06:48 PM

WOW - lot of mean spirited stuff being thrown about. Have they put something in the water?

janmcn 02-16-2015 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1013885)
"Land under the bridge is sinking", I did read about that but haven't attended any District Meetings regarding details surrounding this problem. What land are they talking about? The land under the bridge I would think would be water or swamp. Is the Bridge sinking or in danger of sinking because the footings were not built to hold the weight of all the traffic? I wonder why the problem still wouldn't be the Sumter county responsibility unless the ground that is sinking has nothing to do with the bridge.

Regardless, this issue still has nothing to do with less home sales IMHO.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...anding-142348/

Here is a recent thread regarding an article that was in the on-line news a few weeks ago.

PaPaLarry 02-16-2015 07:01 PM

Over a 100,000 people, live here. That says something about The Villages!!! ?????? I'd be curious what the average stay (in years) is at The Villages. Meaning from when you buy, until you sell and leave?

billethkid 02-16-2015 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PaPaLarry (Post 1013902)
Over a 100,000 people, live here. That says something about The Villages!!! ?????? I'd be curious what the average stay (in years) is at The Villages. Meaning from when you buy, until you sell and leave?

Don't forget the FROGS if you want an accurate profile.

kstew43 02-16-2015 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 1013800)
It doesn't say how long sales have been slow, but shouldn't sales be higher in January and February when more people are visiting? This doesn't bode well for the Fruitland Park section, where bare-bones designers are supposed to start at $500,000.

who will buy a designer for over 500k.....unless its on a golf lot... or has numerous upgrades?

anxious to see how sales will go when the prices are that high....

tomwed 02-16-2015 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kstew43 (Post 1013924)
who will buy a designer for over 500k.....unless its on a golf lot... or has numerous upgrades?

anxious to see how sales will go when the prices are that high....

I think that was a selling ploy. "better buy now because when fruitland park opens the homes will double in value"

I was hoping when I bought that it would be true. But that's not why I bought.

kstew43 02-16-2015 07:44 PM

whoops...

kstew43 02-16-2015 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cmj1210 (Post 1013856)
Most of the Seniors today are extremely educated and I do not think any of us are as you say "Stuck Here". They do their research and they do not buy without thinking out the consequenses. I do not know about you, but personally I am not "Stuck Here." If I ever feel we are not happy any more, I will put a For Sale Sign up, and move on. I for one am "Not Stuck."

They do their research and they do not buy without thinking out the consequenses.

What consequences?

graciegirl 02-16-2015 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kstew43 (Post 1013924)
who will buy a designer for over 500k.....unless its on a golf lot... or has numerous upgrades?

anxious to see how sales will go when the prices are that high....

There are many designers that have all kinds of additions and kicks; some as big as 2500 sq. ft. ... and are on spectacular view lots that have sold for over $500 in the last six months.

I think Janmcn was talking about a stripped down designer and that doesn't sound plausible.

janmcn 02-16-2015 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1013938)
There are many designers that have all kinds of additions and kicks; some as big as 2500 sq. ft. ... and are on spectacular view lots that have sold for over $500 in the last six months.

I think Janmcn was talking about a stripped down designer and that doesn't sound plausible.

When plans for the Fruitland Park expansion were presented to the FP elected officials last year, Gary Moyer (not to be confused with Gary Morse) stated that designer homes would start at $500,000 and CYV's at $250,000. These homes will not have any bonds attached to them, so supposedly the higher prices will have to include the infrastructure.

But you are correct that plans could change depending on the market. Mark Morse is known to change course on a dime. Remember all the discussion about a second hospital and shopping center being built near Brownwood, which eventually got canceled.

There were many threads on the FP development.

kcrazorbackfan 02-16-2015 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kstew43 (Post 1013924)
who will buy a designer for over 500k.....unless its on a golf lot... or has numerous upgrades?

anxious to see how sales will go when the prices are that high....

After this winter in Boston and the rest of the NE US :cold:, probably more people than you can shake a stick at. :smiley:

JoMar 02-16-2015 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pivo (Post 1013766)
Dr. Winston--I.ve been here now about 5 months, prior to that I lived up north and I was on the comp. just about every day for about 2 years checking prices on homes from the villages and realtors, Ifelt then and now I have a very good idea about the prices, and most today, I say most are overpriced, You can go nearby and get twice the house you pay for in the villages, I know the answer lifestyle, well nearby has the same advantages as the villages, they have everything the villages has except katie belle.
Thats my opinion, most residents won't admit because they are more or less stuck here, so naturally they will come up with the good, like no snow, well then no skiing either.

Here (does that mean you are in TV) and Five months on the comp and you come up with "nearby has the same advantages of TV except Katie Belle". I guess you missed the whole point or if you are in TV....why? Wouldn't you be better off nearby plus you would have twice the house and have those same advantages. Oh yeah, if you're not in TV why are you commenting?

Miles42 02-16-2015 11:32 PM

Maybe I will be able to get a tee time finally LOL

dotti105 02-17-2015 12:07 AM

Sales were down in 2014 compared to 2013. Sales were over 300/month in 2013 and over 200/month in 2014. Sales here are still brisk by any other standard. Just comparing the 2 years there is a significant decrease.

My personal thoughts are that the decrease relates directly with the end of custom design and the large increase in inventory homes. Most people have particular things they want in a new home and it is not as easy to find the "perfect" home in pre-built inventory.

Now they are offering buyers more options in cabinets, lighting and flooring. I think they realize that the end of custom build lead to a decrease in sales.

Just my personal observation.

oh, and......Yes it is 446A that is being widened and...... Yes, the land under the bridge has eroded......Yes, there is land under the bridge, not just water. Next time you look at the bridge you will notice that it is not entirely over water.

This thread has been a hoot to read. That's for sure!

Packer Fan 02-17-2015 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1013716)
They need to get rid of that corny song. It's reminiscent of the Lawrence Welk and Mitch Miller Shows. No one wants to live with their parents. Like it or not the retirees relate to The Dead, James Taylor, Joni Mitchell and CSNY.
This place has everything that was fun when we were young. Sell that.

I totally disagree! I am 51 and I love the villages song.... It is a real ear worm sometimes.

Mike W 02-17-2015 02:00 AM

Don't kid yourself but the majority of property owners (both new and old) in The Villages were very well informed prior to their purchase. There's no shortage of information (good and bad) about The Villages on the internet. And "the bad" information is primarily from people that are envious of the continued success of The Villages. With any successful business model there are going to be people that will try to duplicate it. It's no secret that around here there's a lot more competition chasing the same dollars, so it doesn't surprise that sales are lower.


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