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I would like to add my .02, I think Schwartz was a visionary and the Morse family has done a great job carrying on his legacy, of course they have to make money or they wouldn't be able to stay in business. This is a project of epic proportions and carries with it a lot of risk, when you assume a lot of risk you also typically reap a lot of benefit. But as many have already stated what a beautiful, upscale product this business continues to put out, actually I think they get better every year, which means they care enough about it to learn from their errors and adjust accordingly. As far as the POA goes yes they can be crude, loud and unpolished but the squeaky wheel gets the grease, I look at them as our squeaky wheel. That's my take on all this, I'll have the grape kool-aid today thank you. Now Rhonda you've been around long enough to know that every issue will attract negative as well as positive comments so I suggest you stick to your guns and don't worry about those who may not agree with you.

Now does anyone remember where the post is that was an article written by one of the Morse family members that talked about the settlement and how it came to be??..GN

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So, Red, the other options are what:* A magical Theocracy, another government socialist program, or "evil" business which enables people to*earn a living providing products or services people want?

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PROFIT IS ONLY A DIRTY WORD WHEN THE OTHER GUY IS GETTING IT!
BUT WHEN YOU ARE GETTING IT THAT IS A GREAT THING

I would think that anyone who lives in The Villages must of worked for a company that made a profit or how can we afford to live in such a great place.

Or perhaps my neighbors are bank robbers.

BRAVO to the Morse family keep making a good profit and thanks for putting a part of that profit back into our community.

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Has anyone run across a complete transcript of the Mark Morse speech? I saw the summary in the Sun and as I am out of town I cannot watch the VNN broadcasts this weekend.

TIA

John

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Yes, I have watched it a couple of times now ....BUT.... I don't think he should openly compare and criticize another publication simple because he disagrees with it.

Freedom of the press and all that stuff guaranteed by the Constitution, you know.

It goes with the territory. Take your lumps and let it go. Seems like he will just add fuel to the fire if he responds and compares the POA paper with the Daily Sun.

If the courts awarded the money then there must have been some credible evidence proved.

Besides, if I had half his money I couldn't care less about the negative press, right or wrong.

There will always be people who complain and disagree with what you are trying to do.

Dennis

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I think you would care Dennis, if you believed in your product. And I believe the Morse family believes in and are devoted to their product. When you create something, it's much like your child. You correct it, you try to make it the best it can be, and you fiercely defend it.

Again, BRAVO, to the Morse family. They deserve every penny they get! :#1:

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I missed Morse's reference to "Leisureville." Was that in the newspaper coverage? What did he say about it?

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GF...

It was in the VNN rebroadcast...not the written summary. He did not mention the book by title, only referring to it as 'the latest book about the Villages...' As I recall, he lambasted the premise of the book that seniors go to communities like TV to check out of society. Morse made comments about TV residents being 'on the grid' staying engaged in society, charity, etc. It was a pretty brief reference and might have been in the context of 'we have our critics, but...'

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How about we all agree that the developer/Morse family deserve every penny they get as long as they abide to all the terms and conditions of legally written contracts between themselves and the residents.

The fact they coughed up $47 million and change after being sued is indicative of the fact they were trying to get every penny they deserve, and plenty of "pennies" they didn't deserve!

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As an articulate contributor mentioned eons ago, "There are always choices" :) :)

Right on developers, continue to make money and develop our home town.

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CHELS
You smooth talker,........I think your oratory was outstanding.......I was very impressed.......

not easily impressed fumar... :read: :read: :bigthumbsup:

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If you're going to quote me, I'd suggest you try to not twist my words. Believe it or not, I'm not a socialist. I firmly believe business is a good thing and anything else is a disaster waiting to happen. Like anything else, business has its good side and its bad side. Anyone who only sees one side of a coin misses a lot.

Quite simply, business is business. There is an inherent greed factor, it is neither good nor evil. It just is. I don't think I said business was bad. I simply said the average person doesn't like it (unless, of course, it is their business). I've consistently said that the Morse family deserves their money -- they've worked hard for it and I, personally, don't begrudge them one red cent. I don't like all of their policies but, then, that goes back to the greed factor and is a given.

And, Muncle, maybe Chels is right more often than you think. ;)

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bimmerti couldn't agree more. Harold Schwartz' concept and his son, Gary Morse's ability to get the job done are certainly worthy of being paid for a job well done. They are entitled to every penny they LEGALLY earn.

My only complaint is that they only seem to correct things when they are sued or there is a threat to sue and that is simply not only wrong but it is BAD business.

Fortunately before the grandchildren (Mark Morse) took over, the best place in this universe was already being built and we are all so lucky to live here.

All I want and feel I am entitled to is FULL DISCLOSURE. Northing more and nothing less. I don't like getting hit with hidden costs and issues after moving into my wonderful home.

We are here three years and are frogs..here until we croak. You can't find a community like this anywhere but that doesn't mean that Mark and his sisters can do whatever they want until they get caught.

That's my last comment on the subject since so many of you just don't want to know both sides of the issue.

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There is a lot of misinterpretation about the agreement to put 40 mil into the cdds that wasn't put there in when the cdds took over the administration of the various areas after the developer completed each phase. This money should have been there so that each cdd would be able to administrate and repair and take care of the every day needs of their district. It was not. Although the class members who sued and the other people involved (the developer, the attorneys) agreed to a confidential settlement it was quite clear from the article in the Sentinel that something was amiss. As a thirty year court officer I never saw a settlement reached (especially one of this magnitude) unless the defendant felt he could lose. Which means the case had merit. I wonder if the developer was reluctant to open his books in court? I also wonder if he were anyone else without a strong prescence in the republican party if the Florida Attorney General would be looking at this matter to see if the irregularities were more than civil?

I too enjoy my life here inTV but I reserve My Right to question things and get a satisfactory answer just as the suitors did.

There is just too much control of information by the developer. only things that favor the developer and those he endorses appear in The Sun or on Vnn. While I agree that the POA can be very acrimonious they are not that wrong. The siding issue is valid and try spending seven hours at the hospital without being seen.

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Tom,
:agree: :agree: :agree: :agree:

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....and you won't find a word about the less than full disclosure here in the Villages in any other paper because the "outside" world could care less, so don't be telling people to watch other television stations and read other newspapers expecting the stuff around here to be published there. Who do you think you are kidding anyway? Your the same person who says...well you have a choice!!! Yes, and we all moved here because we love this place IN SPITE OF THE GRANDCHILDREN and how they run the business that their father and grandfather ran so well and so honestly! :edit:

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I'm positive I read that you said there were to be no more comments regarding this issue as we didn't see your (sorry) both sides of the issue regarding the "family". :) :)

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Chuck...How profound of you!! You are absolutely correct, that's what the gal said. Feel better now?

Atta gal Fran....you GO girl!!

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.......and, I bet you voted for George W Bush (both times), eh? Your writing reminds me of him. :dontknow:

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This thread seems like it might be a good place to ask this question. I guess I will find out.

There has been a lot of discussion about TV as a company. You know, in business to make money. And that seems to bring great joy in the land. And that's just fine. But it raises a question in my mind.

I think about business sometimes. I don't know why I do that, but I do. And since I discovered TV and began watching the build out projections wax and wane, wane and wax, I have thought about where it could all be heading.

Now, this may seem totally off the wall, and you may just dismiss it as, "WhatinthehellisBoomertalkingabout?" But I still have to ask.

Do you think there could come a time when TV could go from privately held to publically held? Stockholders and all that entails.

As I understand it, the developer sells pieces of the operation as things move along. Properties. But what about going public and selling shares? Could it happen? I wonder how that would work. You know, the care and feeding of stockholders.

Boomer

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Boy, I have been following this thread and have even been drawn in a couple of times to voice my opinion (everyone has one, like it or not) but we are now getting rude and obnoxious. I think we should bring down the tenor of the posts on this thread and make our point of view without sounding all the bells and whistles. We are grownups are we not. Geeez ???

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Agree with the Bravos!
Just wish I knew what Fran thought she was supposed to get that she has not received?
What has she not gotten for her Amenity Fee? Can't she go to a Rec Center for over a thousand activities? Can't she play golf? Etc., Etc.....
Besides, the Developer, as I understand it, does not provide these services... the Districts do. So what aren't they providing to her? I think she is confused. Or maybe I am - I did not know the Developer was responsible for people being happy....just providing a community where they can be! It is up to each person to choose for themselves.
It is so good to hear so many of us have made a great choice !
Have a BEAUTIFUL DAY IN THE VILLAGES!
PS...do so many people not realize that settling law suits are most often business decisions and are not indicative of guilt or innocence?

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Very nice post Betty Mary! :bigthumbsup:

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1rnfl Muncle! I love that "a half vast job". You nut! :bigthumbsup:

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Can someone tell me what "drinking cool aid means"...all Cajuns drink is beer. Having grown up a little Cajun girl who went to school with no shoes on until 8th grade, who only spoke French until first grade, and grew up in a home where 9 kids slept in the same bedroom in three double beds among us, I, too, feel as though I'm in a GREAT PLACE and I, too, thank God every day for my good health, my husband's good health, and my small, beautiful home with WONDERFUL neighbors. While I was teaching school, I was always the advocate fighting for some cause or another. I felt nothing was ever done right!! I was always fighting for a cause for everyone. I have learned a long time ago to lighten up. Too little time left with too much to enjoy! That's my opinion and it ought to be yours.

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I absolutely agree. I hate when GF zeroes in on one point and doesn't reread it all. He is sharp as a tack,and a very good writer, but like many of us, we get all excited about the topics and start typing.

Don't get excited GF. I just love Redwitch and she is my friend and I won't soon forget all of her early kindnesses to me when I posted a topic called "What do you know about the developers, I haven't heard much good".

And before everyone jumps on me, this was pure ignorance on my part, fueled by half truths from my friends who did not want us to move to TV. I have since been enlightened and we bought a house last month.

and MUNCLE, CHELSEA is usually right. (You must be talking about politics, I only went to that forum once, I realized I couldn't handle it)

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Good morning Cajungirl,

The expression "drinking the Kool-aid" refers to the Jonestown Massacre of 1978 in Guyana. It was a mass suicide of more than 900 members of Jonestown, a whacked out cult. (I think "whacked out cult" may be a bit redundant.)

Anyway, Jim Jones was a seriously major American whackjob. Jones was born in a lovely Indiana town. Those who knew him deemed him strange from day-one almost. When he grew up, his obsessions and need for control drove him to become a cult leader. And away they all went to Guyana. I think the cult was called The People's Temple. But it is usually referred to as Jonestown.

Anyway, the cultists gave up all original thought, as cultists are wont to do. Finally Jones led the cultists to the ultimate expression of whackjobness when they committed mass suicide under his direction. Jones told them to drink Kool-Aid with cyanide in it. (I have heard the Kool-Aid was grape. I have also heard it was the red stuff. Don't know.)

It was an absolute horror. Not to mention the effect on that beloved smiling Kool-Aid pitcher that we have all known since childhood.

So anyway, that's the tragic tale of the reference point for the allusion "drinking the Kool-Aid."

The use of the expression in our language now means to completely embrace an idea or philosophy, refusing to see anything even remotely negative.

There has been somewhat of an evolution of the expression "drinking the Kool-Aid" in that it has been watered down quite a bit. Now when people say it about themselves, it can sometimes mean something closer to "Don't worry. Be happy." Or in some cases maybe it means, "Pick Your Poison." Answers will vary.

So that is Boomer's storytime for today.

Boomer

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I really enjoy Frannie's post ,but she always seems to be negative, I'm glad I don't have to live that way. She seems to be very unhappy with her live. I do feel sorry for her. I'm happier than I deserve to be, and I'm still 2 /3 years from moving to the TV, Just think how happy I'll be then!

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Boomer:

Drinking TV Kool-Aid has nothing to do with Jonestown!

There is a standing joke in TV that the people are so happy because they drink Kool-Aid (or water or whatever) spiked by the developer. It is also referred to as the Stepford Grannies effect (a reference to the Stepford Wives movie where all the wives were happy as can be but had their brains adjusted by the even Happier Hubbies).

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Buc, just a small point off topic :cop: No one is happier than they deserve to be. We all deserve to be happy! So, IMHO, smile peeps! We, who are sublimely happy in TV (or anywhere for that matter) deserve it! ;D

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Hey Chuck,

I was just telling my little story to explain the root of the allusion. The very last part of my storytime post pretty well summed up what the expression means to people who live in TV. It is mostly the "Don't worry. Be Happy" thing so it seems. But there are some who see it from the different perspective of "Pick Your Poison." Those are the ones who may see some issues, but they know nothing is perfect and they like living in TV.

And both those perspectives are fine with me. Along with any other perspective anyone wants to present.

I have heard a lot of people say, "Drinking the water" which does not carry the connotation of the Kool-Aid. (And they do have those bottles of water in the squares and they are clearly labeled "The Villages" so that looks like full disclosure to me.)

And I think what you are saying may be more along the lines of "landing face down in the punchbowl" which takes it a step beyond just drinking the water and carries a rather frolicsome connotation. So that could be a good thing.

But as far as my little story goes, it had to do with how the expression entered our language. Here's a link:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...k+the+kool-aid

(Oh and Chuck, I know you know about Jonestown/Kool-Aid and that you did not need the link to explain it. I just put it in here anyway.)

BUT WAIT! YOU'RE CHUCK. You are the one who answered my questions in the thread about the historic side. That was when I was trying to find the swimming pool where they play "Name That Tune." That was you. Do you think they might have any discussions there of word connotations and allusions? That would be so great. My kind of place.

So anyway, Chuck. Thanks for your take on all of this. I know what you mean.

Oh, and I do tend to do my little storytimes around here. I have one on the back burner about Johnny Marzetti for another thread one of these days.

But for now, I must be off.

Boomer

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I lost a couple of friends in Jonestown. Most of those who lived in the Bay Area at the very least knew someone who was a member of the Temple and who died in Guyana. That being said, I'm with you Boomer -- the phrase did in fact start with the drinking of the poisoned Kool-Aid in Jonestown. It has taken on a much bigger meaning, as you well explained. As you stated, the meaning today has come down to "completely embracing an idea or philosophy, refusing to see anything even remotely negative." However, the history of why we say we drank the Kool-Aid is spot on.

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Oh, and I do tend to do my little storytimes around here. I have one on the back burner about Johnny Marzetti for another thread one of these days.

But for now, I must be off.

Boomer



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If I could just get the danged quotes thing to work.

Boom. You are not off.

Chuck, she is right about the Kool-Aid and Jonestown.

Boomer, Cincinnati Breath,....I wanna hear the story about Johnny Marzetti!!!

Please Please!!! :o

Your dear friend who just made a bajillion pounds of Johnny Marzetti for my granddaughters graduation party.

GracieGirl

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No matter where you live, you can't make everyone happy. There will always be +'s and -'s.

I love living here and take the good with the bad. Most of it is good. I always tell people who complain all the time about TV, move. No one is tied here.

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Muncie you aare far too nasty and seem to enjoy taking personal shots at me.
I never said I didn't love the Villages. I love it here. I simply said that when we bought the sales reps did not disclose everything we should have known BEFORE we closed.

I cannot believe the personal shots that have continued at me just because I don't trust the developer. I have been told I have a choice, in other words I can move; I have been told to move; I have been called to task because it was presumed that I thought that network television and the NY Tiimes should be covering the Villages.

Well, all you have done is convinced me that you have the minds of 5th graders when sticks and stone could hurt our bones but words will never hurt me. You are childish and you can't take it when someone disagrees with you.

Shame on you, any of you who have joined in on the personal attacks at me because I don't love the Morse family. Shame on you all. :edit:

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Drinking Kool-Aid according to Boomer relates to Jonestown

Drinking TV Kool-Aid relates to the joke around TV that the developer spikes the drinks to make everyone happy and buy his houses.

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Frangyomory,
Muncle has no other life. I agree wih you. Sorry you went through this but know most are very nice people.

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Fran, one thing to remember about online is that people are not always what they seem. I vaguely remember Muncle at one of the Crispers' get togethers. Sadly, he hasn't come since. He was fun, charming, a good guy to meet and know. The other thing is to take what you want and leave the rest.

I'm like you -- I'm not a big fan of the developer. I don't begrudge them the money they have made, I just don't like how much they really do own and the secretiveness of some of that ownership (Citizens Bank, all of the TV beauty salons and barbershops, etc.). I will always appreciate the concept of Harold Schwartz, the implementation of that concept by Gary Morse and the continuation of TV by Mark Morse, et al. I don't have to like everything about them, just like I don't have to like everything about my neighbors, my best friend or anyone else.

I've met you briefly and hope to meet you again for a longer period the next time. From what I could tell, you, too, are charming -- at least everyone at your table was laughing and having a good time. Some of your posts do come across as negative but I'd guess that is more because we can't see your face or body language is you type. However, I also know you do love The Villages and you couldn't imagine wanting to live elsewhere. So, ignore those who don't understand you and enjoy the good here.

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Frangyomory, why must you end your sentence with a curse word or words? Unless :edit: means something other than curse words. And who is the you all? All of TOTV? Can you explain some of your over the top anger?

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Johnny, read this entire thread and you will see to whom I am addressing my last message. By the way, the "censored" at the end of my messages is just to indicate that I am angry but trying not to show it. If it is taken as a curse word, sorry, but I don't use that kind of language. I obviously have misinterpreted the little icon.

Muncie in particular is a problem child and you will see who follows his lead if you read this thread.

I am finished commenting on this particular thread. You see I have to say it this way or Muncie will ask why I haven't gone away. :dontknow: