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ficoguy 08-31-2020 06:26 AM

Mask vigilantes are everywhere.

Dana1963 08-31-2020 06:29 AM

I wear a mask although some don’t wear a mask it’s not my job to be MASK POLICE, I choose non confrontation and stay away from those.

Dana1963 08-31-2020 06:33 AM

There is no medical condition that precludes wearing a mask if so they would be walking around with oxygen assist.

ts12755 08-31-2020 06:45 AM

Its people like you that cause fights and murders to take place in public. All stores were told don't put your life in danger. Every once in a while you'll have someone that doesn't have a mask on. Leave them alone, wear your mask and stay away from them and live for another day.

Art cov 08-31-2020 06:51 AM

Where is Archie Bunker and the meathead when you need them? Can you imagine Barney Fife explaining the mask one way or the other? Relax folks! (However as someone mentioned, it does bother me for people to jump in line and follow cars through red lights! 🤨 seriously, some of you are letting the stress of the mask ordeal to destroy your health! And that’s both sides!

ts12755 08-31-2020 06:54 AM

Its people like you that cause fights and murders to take place in public. All stores were told don't put your life in danger. Every once in a while you'll have someone that doesn't have a mask on. Leave them alone, where your mask and stay away from them and live for another day.

Green-Eyed Lady 08-31-2020 06:55 AM

Forgotten Mask
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1825378)
maybe they forgot

we shopped at Publix today...my wife forgot to put a mask on....after shopping for 5 minutes, suddenly she realized she didn't have a mask on...I went out to the car and brought one in for her. No one made an issue of it

these things happen

I have forgotten to wear a mask on occasion, and have NOT been questioned, nor have I made the effort to retrieve a mask from my car.
Masks do nothing but reassure others that we are stepping in line with their unfounded beliefs. :ohdear:

Beyond The Wall 08-31-2020 06:57 AM

If your worried about persons not wearing mask, just use online ordering and pickup. They bring it to your car and you never have to interact with people

Green-Eyed Lady 08-31-2020 07:01 AM

Amen!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1825697)
That’s ridiculous. I go in Villages restaurants all the time and people do not have their masks on because you cannot eat and drink with a mask on. They might wear them to walk in the door but then take them off as soon as they are seated. This whole thing has gotten totally bizarre and ridiculous. The CDC should just come out and be honest and tell everyone that these masks do nothing. And for a virus that is over 99% survivable, all this is totally unnecessary. The media has done a good job of turning so many people into paranoid idiots

Leadbone, we go to dinner at least once or twice weekly patronizing all types of restaurants and bars in TV. The majority of diners DO NOT wear masks while entering or departing said establishments. "Paranoid idiots" is about right! Thanks for the common sense remarks! :bigbow:

Green-Eyed Lady 08-31-2020 07:04 AM

Another Amen!!
 
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Originally Posted by superzcomputerz (Post 1825727)
Stay home if you’re 😱 scared! It’s just a hoax anyway...

Thanks, Superzcomputerz! Another voice of reason...:coolsmiley:

xcaligirl 08-31-2020 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by msgtpayne (Post 1825371)
I went shopping today in The Villages Public's at Southern trace. While getting meet at the deli two gentlemen walked by me without masks and since I made a comment to one of them there was no oh I have a medical condition or other problems. I reported this to the manager, (whose name was Alicia). She said thank you for bringing it to our attention. She then said I will remind them to bring their masks. I then remarked don't remind them throw them out. She said well they may have medical issues. I said, since I challenge one of the men and he didn't say anything I don't think they got medical issues. She again said thank you for bringing this to our attention. As I was moving to the front of the store to check out later one of the individuals walked right in front of Alisha the manager; she said, nothing. I said the individual just walked in front of you why did you do something. She said thank you for bringing this to our attention. If Publix isn't going to fulfill their requirement to us on their signs requiring mask be worn they shouldn't posted. Also, they should not advertise it. So, if you are shopping at Publix watch out there is a lot of people not wearing masks and they are not going to require then to wear the mask; regardless of the signs they put in the front of the store. I have no problem with individuals who have a valid medical reason for not wearing masks. However, they should have a letter from their doctor. If I had a medical condition requiring I could not wear a mask; I would have a letter from my doctor. It wouldn't be hard to get. Publix is just not going to honor their advertisement of requiring masks. I thought the people of the villages would like to know.

Just like the one way aisles....people don't care and do what they want and are rude if you casually let them know the store has one way aisles (after she was snippy with me because I was exiting from the aisle in the middle of the aisle). One older guy with a mask reached right across me, under my arm that was reaching for something, touched me and didn't give a damn. Publix reaction: they can't police everyone. More like NO ONE! I did hear that they no longer have the one way aisles..... No signs if the carts are even disinfected anymore (except for the baskets). Wonder why people are turning to Amazon to get most of their needed supplies....

Byte1 08-31-2020 07:06 AM

I shop at Walmart and Publix. I have seen many folks at both that are not wearing a mask. Doesn't matter to me. I wear one and if they don't, that's their problem. If you don't approve of the way they run their business, then don't shop there, for crying out loud. Besides, the so-called expert doctors on TV, including the Surgeon General state that you won't catch the virus from walking past someone. They all say that it takes a prolonged presence in close proximity to an INFECTED person to be at risk. Sure, I guess they could cough on you as you passed them, but how often does that happen and what is the chances that they are contagious?
I don't fault you all for being paranoid about your health, but take care of yourselves, don't rely on someone else to take care of you. Like I said, if you don't like how someone manages their business, then don't shop there. Publix is open to everyone, not just those that think they are entitled elitists from the Villages.

Andyb 08-31-2020 07:12 AM

Publix has delivery service. Problem solved.

Byte1 08-31-2020 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bowlingal (Post 1825708)
So..... the lawbreakers win again!

What "law?"

Janlindsey4@gmail.com 08-31-2020 07:14 AM

Mask wearing
 
The mask rule is not legally enforceable. Please don’t blame employees or the police because there is NOTHING legally anyone can do. Please smile behind your mask at all those people who ARE wearing masks. There will always be a minority of people who think only of themselves...not the safety of others. Shop, keep your distance, and leave as soon as you can...and keep on doing the safe thing.

Byte1 08-31-2020 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sdeikenberry (Post 1825671)
Publix in Spanish Springs...people walk in with masks and then pull them down while shopping. I reported 3 people with pulled down masks to the manager, who was mostly unwilling to even listen to me...finally said he'd walk the aisles to check. My observation was he did not. I can't understand someone who wears a mask through the door only to pull it down when they think they've passed inspection. Good grief.

I would probably have laughed at you..............:a20: :1rotfl: and said "have a nice day."

Villages Kahuna 08-31-2020 07:17 AM

That’s why neither my wife or I have been inside a grocery store or drug store since April. We do all our grocery shopping online for drive-thru pickup at either Walmart or Sam’s Club.

I know that Target offers curbside pickup, but with limitations on most if not all refrigerated or frozen items. But whatever service they offer can’t match Walmart’s.

Boomer 08-31-2020 07:23 AM

I always assume that 99% of those who do not wear masks are making some kind of statement — proclaiming that they do not give a damn about public health or their own, and/or they have been convinced that Covid is a hoax and that the stats aren’t real.

I am quite weary of the comparison to the flu. We have a flu vaccine and we know how to deal with the flu. To make that comparison is to grasp at straws. But the word “flu” is just another buzzword that has been programmed in as a tool of division.

One of the big differences between Covid and the flu is that Covid is often leaving serious damage in its wake. Those who think they have recovered could be looking at a future with pre-existing conditions caused by Covid.

Stores cannot expect their employees to confront people over masks. In these historic times, which seem to bring a fresh hell with each day’s news, the person confronted could be one whose anger has been stoked to the point of doing harm.

Perhaps, those who think our store employees should be put at risk should go to Publix or wherever and sign up to be a bouncer.

Working with the public can often be a nightmare, even in normal times, but there is nothing normal about the ugly times we are going through now. There are some angry, knee-jerk reactors out there.

A virus needs a host. The calculated division created in this country has rolled out the Welcome Wagon for Covid.

Science says that the lame argument that masks don’t help is wrong. Everybody, by now, should have seen those videos that show the distance the virus can travel is definitely encumbered by masks. Masks and hand washing are all we’ve got so why not try? — (See paragraph 1.)

By the way, for the record, I have been thinking that flu season won’t be as bad because more people are more conscious of health hygiene. Time will tell.

pat lunardelli 08-31-2020 07:24 AM

they are afraid of potential violence

golfing eagles 08-31-2020 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wilkinson (Post 1825735)
The only way to get the people who are not wearing masks to wear them or not come back IS TO CONFRONT THEM - WHERE IS YOUR MASK and that "you're disgusting" look. These are the same people who run stop lights and cheat on taxes, and don't pick up their dog's stuff.

You forgot say a prayer and hope they don't have a CCW while having a bad day.

Byte1 08-31-2020 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilkinson (Post 1825735)
The only way to get the people who are not wearing masks to wear them or not come back IS TO CONFRONT THEM - WHERE IS YOUR MASK and that "you're disgusting" look. These are the same people who run stop lights and cheat on taxes, and don't pick up their dog's stuff.

Good way to get yourself in trouble with the police, if you confront the ones that you deem being unsafe. I wear mine but if I didn't and you bothered me, I would instruct you where you could wear your mask.

Jazzman 08-31-2020 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by msgtpayne (Post 1825371)
I went shopping today in The Villages Public's at Southern trace. While getting meet at the deli two gentlemen walked by me without masks and since I made a comment to one of them there was no oh I have a medical condition or other problems. I reported this to the manager, (whose name was Alicia). She said thank you for bringing it to our attention. She then said I will remind them to bring their masks. I then remarked don't remind them throw them out. She said well they may have medical issues. I said, since I challenge one of the men and he didn't say anything I don't think they got medical issues. She again said thank you for bringing this to our attention. As I was moving to the front of the store to check out later one of the individuals walked right in front of Alisha the manager; she said, nothing. I said the individual just walked in front of you why did you do something. She said thank you for bringing this to our attention. If Publix isn't going to fulfill their requirement to us on their signs requiring mask be worn they shouldn't posted. Also, they should not advertise it. So, if you are shopping at Publix watch out there is a lot of people not wearing masks and they are not going to require then to wear the mask; regardless of the signs they put in the front of the store. I have no problem with individuals who have a valid medical reason for not wearing masks. However, they should have a letter from their doctor. If I had a medical condition requiring I could not wear a mask; I would have a letter from my doctor. It wouldn't be hard to get. Publix is just not going to honor their advertisement of requiring masks. I thought the people of the villages would like to know.

I would not expect an employee, even a store manager to risk getting into a confrontation with anyone regarding the wearing of a mask. There are inconsiderate and self centered individuals everywhere, even here in the friendliest home town. No one knows how mentally stable or agitated anyone is that’s near where you are. Oh and some who live here or around here are just plain stupid.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-31-2020 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1825573)
That sounds great on paper but it's not legally enforceable. There is no law in Florida mandating the use of masks inside businesses. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the Governor.

As long as it is not against the law, there will be people who refuse to obey store policies. There'll be people who refuse to obey store policies even when there IS a law against their behavior. In those cases, the management calls the police.

Store managers should not have to put their lives at risk to enforce a store policy. At the present time, there is SO much division about EVERYTHING in this country, that someone just looking at someone else can trigger a shooting.

The point of saying that masks are required, is to INCREASE the number of people wearing masks in the store. That has worked. It is absolutely successful. There are still some people who don't wear masks in the store. But the number of people who DON'T wear them has gone down significantly.

What's even better, is that more and more people are starting to give those unmasked people "the look." You know that look - the one of disapproval. In other words - wearing a mask has become normalized, and NOT wearing one has become villainized.

Peer pressure is doing its job. And the store is reinforcing that by having the policy in the first place.

Also, regarding the OP: there aren't a "lot" of people not wearing masks in Publix. The OP witnessed TWO people not wearing masks at one Publix. Two out of over a hundred people who came and went in whichever hour that customer was in the store. Two out of over a hundred is not "a lot." It's not even "many." Or "several." Think about that. Two - is not even enough to qualify as "a few."

Also, to the OP - you didn't follow those gentlemen around - and if you had, I would've expected someone to call the police and accuse you of stalking them. If you had, you might have discovered that the manager DID talk to them, and they DID say they had a medical excuse. And - according to the law - there is absolutely nothing can do about that. Once they say they have a medical excuse, that's the end of the discussion.

Relax, keep your distance from people who aren't wearing masks, and try not to stress over something you can't control.

Businesses have every right to decide who they will do business with and under what circumstances. A business has the right to require that customers wear a mask and has every right to tell them to leave if they are not wearing one. If the customer refuses, the business may call the police and the police should escort the person off the property. No law is required.

kanoa1kale2 08-31-2020 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msgtpayne (Post 1825371)
I went shopping today in The Villages Public's at Southern trace. While getting meet at the deli two gentlemen walked by me without masks and since I made a comment to one of them there was no oh I have a medical condition or other problems. I reported this to the manager, (whose name was Alicia). She said thank you for bringing it to our attention. She then said I will remind them to bring their masks. I then remarked don't remind them throw them out. She said well they may have medical issues. I said, since I challenge one of the men and he didn't say anything I don't think they got medical issues. She again said thank you for bringing this to our attention. As I was moving to the front of the store to check out later one of the individuals walked right in front of Alisha the manager; she said, nothing. I said the individual just walked in front of you why did you do something. She said thank you for bringing this to our attention. If Publix isn't going to fulfill their requirement to us on their signs requiring mask be worn they shouldn't posted. Also, they should not advertise it. So, if you are shopping at Publix watch out there is a lot of people not wearing masks and they are not going to require then to wear the mask; regardless of the signs they put in the front of the store. I have no problem with individuals who have a valid medical reason for not wearing masks. However, they should have a letter from their doctor. If I had a medical condition requiring I could not wear a mask; I would have a letter from my doctor. It wouldn't be hard to get. Publix is just not going to honor their advertisement of requiring masks. I thought the people of the villages would like to know.

Online ordering is really nice. It eliminates all the hassles one encounters when going out.

graciegirl 08-31-2020 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msgtpayne (Post 1825371)
I went shopping today in The Villages Public's at Southern trace. While getting meet at the deli two gentlemen walked by me without masks and since I made a comment to one of them there was no oh I have a medical condition or other problems. I reported this to the manager, (whose name was Alicia). She said thank you for bringing it to our attention. She then said I will remind them to bring their masks. I then remarked don't remind them throw them out. She said well they may have medical issues. I said, since I challenge one of the men and he didn't say anything I don't think they got medical issues. She again said thank you for bringing this to our attention. As I was moving to the front of the store to check out later one of the individuals walked right in front of Alisha the manager; she said, nothing. I said the individual just walked in front of you why did you do something. She said thank you for bringing this to our attention. If Publix isn't going to fulfill their requirement to us on their signs requiring mask be worn they shouldn't posted. Also, they should not advertise it. So, if you are shopping at Publix watch out there is a lot of people not wearing masks and they are not going to require then to wear the mask; regardless of the signs they put in the front of the store. I have no problem with individuals who have a valid medical reason for not wearing masks. However, they should have a letter from their doctor. If I had a medical condition requiring I could not wear a mask; I would have a letter from my doctor. It wouldn't be hard to get. Publix is just not going to honor their advertisement of requiring masks. I thought the people of the villages would like to know.

I haven't been to Publix since March. I asked the reliable fellow who I am married to about the mask situation at Publix and at Bed Bath and Beyond where I sent him yesterday. He said he doesn't see people at Publix on 466 ever without masks since they put up the signs and he said both times he went to Bed, Bath and Beyond over the weekend he didn't see anyone without masks, ditto Lowes.

I don't know what anyone would or should do if they see someone without masks. I would just continue on as if I didn't see them, giving them a wide berth. I think common sense dictates not trying to direct another's activity in a public place. And good manners. I am from Ohio. My mother said; Mind your own business.

joedi 08-31-2020 07:41 AM

No masks at Public!
 
I will not shop at public stores because they don’t care. Walmart stores are stopping people without masks they care if you live or die. So are other stores in the villages who care about customers. I fire the manager or demote that person.

Byte1 08-31-2020 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1825836)
I haven't been to Publix since March. I asked the reliable fellow who I am married to about the mask situation at Publix and at Bed Bath and Beyond where I sent him yesterday. He said he doesn't see people at Publix on 466 ever without masks since they put up the signs and he said both times he went to Bed, Bath and Beyond over the weekend he didn't see anyone without masks, ditto Lowes.

I don't know what anyone would or should do if they see someone without masks. I would just continue on as if I didn't see them, giving them a wide berth. I think common sense dictates not trying to direct another's activity in a public place. And good manners. I am from Ohio. My mother said; Mind your own business.

I agree with you. "Mind your own business" is good advice.
However, I have shopped at Walmart, Publix and Lowes this week and have seen plenty of folks not wearing masks. Especially Lowes. But, I wear mine so I don't care what they do. I don't stand in front of any of them chatting, so even if they were to spit I doubt it would effect me.
Life is full of challenges and threats. Being in my '70s, I will not push my blood pressure by worrying about what others do unless I REALLY feel a threat to my family. I have heard enough "but what ifs" on here to know that "but if" a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump it's @** when it jumps, as the saying goes.
It is obvious that Mass Hysteria is still present in The Villages.

Don't worry, be happy.

Bill Torres 08-31-2020 08:05 AM

I would have left and gone to another store....

meridian5850 08-31-2020 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by msgtpayne (Post 1825371)
I went shopping today in The Villages Public's at Southern trace. While getting meet at the deli two gentlemen walked by me without masks and since I made a comment to one of them there was no oh I have a medical condition or other problems. I reported this to the manager, (whose name was Alicia). She said thank you for bringing it to our attention. She then said I will remind them to bring their masks. I then remarked don't remind them throw them out. She said well they may have medical issues. I said, since I challenge one of the men and he didn't say anything I don't think they got medical issues. She again said thank you for bringing this to our attention. As I was moving to the front of the store to check out later one of the individuals walked right in front of Alisha the manager; she said, nothing. I said the individual just walked in front of you why did you do something. She said thank you for bringing this to our attention. If Publix isn't going to fulfill their requirement to us on their signs requiring mask be worn they shouldn't posted. Also, they should not advertise it. So, if you are shopping at Publix watch out there is a lot of people not wearing masks and they are not going to require then to wear the mask; regardless of the signs they put in the front of the store. I have no problem with individuals who have a valid medical reason for not wearing masks. However, they should have a letter from their doctor. If I had a medical condition requiring I could not wear a mask; I would have a letter from my doctor. It wouldn't be hard to get. Publix is just not going to honor their advertisement of requiring masks. I thought the people of the villages would like to know.

We don't live behind the Iron Curtain where you have to show papers to move from one place to another.

maryl 08-31-2020 08:09 AM

You are right mask are essential if people don’t wear them they shouldn’t be served in stores

Byte1 08-31-2020 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by maryl (Post 1825874)
You are right mask are essential if people don’t wear them they shouldn’t be served in stores

Why? NO ONE has said that a mask is "essential."

greenflash245 08-31-2020 08:17 AM

we thank you for bringing this to our attention

PJackpot 08-31-2020 08:35 AM

Watch out!!! Don't go there, you'll die!! Ahhhhh!

cleanwater 08-31-2020 08:38 AM

I was at southern trace Publix. Two rescue squad members entered store without masks. I was shocked at their carelessness. The manger saw them, talked to them, went to back room and got two masks for them to wear.

Cenrico 08-31-2020 08:43 AM

I appreciate the effort you made by informing management. It is too bad they did not uphold their own rules.

Mountie48 08-31-2020 08:44 AM

Is this what we come to? Like the Mask Police idea.

Mikee1 08-31-2020 08:45 AM

Mask police
 
Here is a simple answer...... If you're somewhere and do like the environment or what you see, just leave. Problem solved.
You are not the mask police. You have your opinions, facts or your beliefs, others have theirs.
You are not privileged

RedChariot 08-31-2020 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1825610)
So, here is the thing. I read on the Publix.com website that, as of July 21, all customers are required to wear a mask in their stores. So, I go to Publix expecting all customers to be wearing a mask for my protection. But, I see that some people are not wearing a mask. I tell the manager, who says that they aren't actually required to wear masks, they have no enforcement policy, and he won't do anything about it. So, what does "required" mean? In my opinion, Publix is lying to me. Publix should change their website to say that, we would like to require our customers to wear a mask, but we are afraid to tell them that to their face, so please wear a mask when you come to our store. But, if you don't, you should know that we are too wimpy and cowardly to enforce our policy, so you will be able to get away without wearing a mask. And, we don't really care what other customers think about it. We are just trying to make a profit anyway we can, even if it means that we tell lies on our website.

SPOT ON! :bigbow:

Mikec041 08-31-2020 08:52 AM

Article over the weekend said the CDC recommends that people NOT wearing masks NOT be confronted. The risk of violence outweighed the potential health benefit.

Bob.Betty 08-31-2020 08:53 AM

it is not a law that you have to wear a mask, you do not have to tell someone your medical condition for not wearing a mask. you do not have to have a doctors note allowing you to not wear a mask. you can not be arrested for not wearing a mask.


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