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Indy-Guy 10-06-2024 08:42 AM

Below is a good report of Milton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56jtfXbIk0c

Retiredsteve 10-06-2024 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2376326)
I'm no meteorologist but I can't remember a system like this developing in the western Caribbean and moving northeast. It seems to me they usually start off the coast of Africa as "tropical disturbances" and track westward with the trade winds.

Once again I'm glad I was too poor to retire to the Gulf Coast.

I'm starting to wonder if there isn't something to that climate change stuff

retiredguy123 10-06-2024 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2376593)
I imagine the answer depends on context.

If you are questioning your insurance company about your deductible then you were in a hurricane.

If you are talking to someone whose roof blew off when <storm name here> came ashore then you were not "in" a hurricane.

I expect my phrase will be, "When hurricane Milton came over the Villages....."

Thanks. I could be wrong, but, as I understand it, there a separate deductible for hurricanes vs regular wind damage. But, the wind speed is not a factor. If there is a "named" hurricane in the area, and your house has wind damage, the hurricane deductible applies, even if the wind speed at your house was lower than 74 mph.

Bill14564 10-06-2024 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2376619)
Thanks. I could be wrong, but, as I understand it, there a separate deductible for hurricanes vs regular wind damage. But, the wind speed is not a factor. If there is a "named" hurricane in the area, and your house has wind damage, the hurricane deductible applies, even if the wind speed at your house was lower than 74 mph.

Exactly. That was the reasoning behind my insurance statement.

MorTech 10-06-2024 09:14 AM

Looks like we are going to get a proper hurricane this time.

Go to windy.com and use their hurricane tracker feature.

Windy: Wind map & weather forecast

biker1 10-06-2024 09:18 AM

There doesn’t appear to be much, if any, impact from anthropogenic climate change on hurricanes. Our ability to observe hurricanes improved in the early 60s when weather satellites went up. Therefore, the reliable record is only for the last 60 years. Some of the climate modeling suggests that the future may bring a reduction in the number of hurricanes but those that do form may be stronger.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Retiredsteve (Post 2376606)
I'm starting to wonder if there isn't something to that climate change stuff


kkingston57 10-06-2024 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2376529)
The center of the circulation of Irma passed to the west of The Villages as a tropical storm or just barely a cat 1 in 2017. The wind field has very broad.

In TV winds will vary as it is much bigger than the eye of almost all hurricanes. Milton looks bad. If this strength of a storm was this close to the coastal areas 90% of the people would now be putting up storm shutters and plywood would be un available. My 1st storm without having shutters or impact glass and hoping for the best.

kkingston57 10-06-2024 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 2376543)
According to Weather Underground, the highest sustained winds are expected to be 32 MPH in Wildwood on Wednesday evening. So, the forecasters are predicting significant weakening as it crosses the state.

Would not trust 32MPH. That is like a strong breeze in the Midwest USA. Per Weather Channel will still be hurricane after it crosses state.

biker1 10-06-2024 09:26 AM

See post #36. The NHC updates their probabilities frequently. We will have a much better idea 24-48 hours in advance. We are still about 84 hours out. You should not focus exclusively on the track of the center of the circulation since the wind field can extend out a considerable distance. Regardless, the NHC’s average track error at 4 days is about 150 miles.


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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2376625)
In TV winds will vary as it is much bigger than the eye of almost all hurricanes. Milton looks bad. If this strength of a storm was this close to the coastal areas 90% of the people would now be putting up storm shutters and plywood would be un available. My 1st storm without having shutters or impact glass and hoping for the best.


Regorp 10-06-2024 09:29 AM

Milton
 
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Originally Posted by mbene (Post 2376294)
Looks like the next hurricane is on its way.

https://youtu.be/hq5c8_X1Iio?si=4jUHi0l_2DoYxndZ

Here comes Uncle Miltie! Fox weather Brian Norcross says get ready for 5-8 inches of rain with winds up to 50mph in central Florida. Batten down the hatches!!

tophcfa 10-06-2024 09:36 AM

Got notice this AM that Tuesdays Jet Blue flight to Orlando is in Jeopardy. On another note, is it a coincidence that the Villages self appointed weather expert is notoriously absent from this important weather related thread?

kkingston57 10-06-2024 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2376582)
Question: If a hurricane develops and causes damage in other areas but, when it arrives in The Villages, the sustained winds are only about 40 or 50 mph, does that mean that The Villages did NOT experience a hurricane? If so, has The Viillages ever experienced a hurricane? As I understand it, wind gusts do not count, only "sustained" winds. And, tornadoes do not count. I have heard a lot of people talk about hurricanes they experienced in The Villages, but when I have looked at the historical data, I have never found a time when The Villages ever experienced "sustained" hurricane wind speeds of 74 mph or greater.

Good ? and no one will ever know because of the size of TV. Biggest concern on hurricane vs non hurricane is for insurance purposes. If TV does not have hurricane force winds you will still have a hurricane, deductible (2-5% of your building limit) will apply as opposed to a regular deductible.

kkingston57 10-06-2024 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2376619)
Thanks. I could be wrong, but, as I understand it, there a separate deductible for hurricanes vs regular wind damage. But, the wind speed is not a factor. If there is a "named" hurricane in the area, and your house has wind damage, the hurricane deductible applies, even if the wind speed at your house was lower than 74 mph.

You are right. I was in the business. If this was not the norm, almost every small hurricane claim would be in court. Wind speeds can vary in a neighborhood. Our house is at top of cul de sac and other end of my street is 20 feet lower.

RRGuyNJ 10-06-2024 10:04 AM

Not always true.
 
I thought being inland 100 miles would be safe and sound in NC. Our first season we had Hurricane Irene decide to stop right on top of us at tropical storm status. We ended up needing a new roof and work done on some outbuildings. Nearly $30k in damage in 2011. Be safe.

Topspinmo 10-06-2024 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2376619)
Thanks. I could be wrong, but, as I understand it, there a separate deductible for hurricanes vs regular wind damage. But, the wind speed is not a factor. If there is a "named" hurricane in the area, and your house has wind damage, the hurricane deductible applies, even if the wind speed at your house was lower than 74 mph.

If most of read The fine print in insurance policy we’ll realize how worthless insurance scams are. The underwriters know this. IMO it shouldn’t matter you had damage for act of nature and it should be covered, why we get insurance. I won’t rant about lobbing effect.

jimjamuser 10-06-2024 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2376535)
Some of the 06Z model runs have the center of the circulation south of The Villages on Wednesday evening. The NHC’s cone of possibilities is very broad at that point, as it should be since that is 3.5 days out. At this point, there is little doubt that we will be impacted. At this time, the NHC has a low probability of us experiencing hurricane force winds. That can change as we get closer in time. See the latest storm track guidance from the NHC below.

TROPICAL STORM MILTON

If it hits south of The Villages, that would put us on the less powerful side, I believe.

Bill14564 10-06-2024 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2376659)
I have a question. Seriously wondering, not questioning moderation standards or guidelines. Is this permissible?

I was under the impression that such highly politicized content was verboten. This constant fear mongering on this same topic over and over again. Are you telling me this isn't a TOS violation? It's almost harassment, or even spam at this point. It's misinformation and if this were a social media platform it would have a huge "FACT CHECK" over it and you wouldn't even be able to see it unless you clicked through all the warnings. These claims that keep getting screamed in all caps are dubious and based on dubious scientific data of which there are plenty of reputable counter-studies.

Would it be okay if I kept posting (in almost every post I make) that our usage of electric vehicles is driving a massive pending sky-is-falling environmental disaster in the form of lithium mining and disposal?

I'm simply looking for clarification and posting guidelines so that I do not err and violate TOS.

I don't see anything at all political in that rant. Repetitive? Yes. Annoying? Yes. But political? No.

Not misinformation either. The conclusions are heavily debated (strangely, in my opinion) but the rant cites numbers and facts that can easily be confirmed.

Perhaps a response to this would be to post some of the reputable counter-studies. (another option is to ignore the user... that approach works well for me)

Please don't respond to the bad behavior with more bad behavior. Besides the fact that two wrongs don't make a right, history has shown that response will only result in a thread being closed or deleted.

Normal 10-06-2024 04:22 PM

Reality: Stay Safe
 
This is a great time to invite any neighbors along the coast you may know to ride out this storm. Hudson, Crystal River, Newport Richey, Tarpon Springs, Tampa, and Homosassa all seem to have a fair chance of impact. Fill up your camping bladders or water bottles and make sure you have some low maintenance meal supplies and plans. Move all your outdoor items in. Recharge those rechargeable items you may need and fill up your gas tanks. Above all, stay safe.

This storm could produce surges not seen since 1921 (above 10 feet). Many spaghetti models do not look favorable to our area.

Irrelevant to the impact zone, it is forecasted to be at least a Category 3, enhanced by a warm gulf the massive preexisting low which is directly in its path. Inner pressure is dropping at a fantastic rate as the storm became a category 1 at 2 PM. The storm is at 1003MB. For those not necessarily storm savvy, low pressure and warm water feed storms and only increase dangerous conditions.

Be prepared now!

Altavia 10-06-2024 06:50 PM

Informative Florida Division of Emergency Management site.

Exhaustive list of great storm resources is from FDEM. Including links to your local county EOC.

Tropical Storm Milton | Florida Disaster

mbene 10-06-2024 09:04 PM

Here is a video, at the end they explain how the hurricane deductible works

https://youtu.be/0gibhWP4hA8?si=PoTwxeK-0UmWUCly

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2376634)
Good ? and no one will ever know because of the size of TV. Biggest concern on hurricane vs non hurricane is for insurance purposes. If TV does not have hurricane force winds you will still have a hurricane, deductible (2-5% of your building limit) will apply as opposed to a regular deductible.


waterflower 10-07-2024 06:09 AM

H.A.A.R.P.- weather modification

Normal 10-07-2024 06:11 AM

Now a 3
 
The storm is upgrading. Already down to 954 MB. Eye wall trajectory now Tampa to Ft Myers. Surge warnings for Tampa upgraded to 10 to 12 feet.

Rocksnap 10-07-2024 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2376575)
I lived in Phoenix for 5 years and never seen a flash flood.

Arizona has much better weather than Florida.

The flip side. People living in Asheville, NC their whole lives never saw a flash flood either!

Rocksnap 10-07-2024 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retiredsteve (Post 2376606)
I'm starting to wonder if there isn't something to that climate change stuff

I’d be more worried about smart scientific people being able to generate/steer/intensify weather. Crazy, I know.

midiwiz 10-07-2024 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2376548)
This far out, you are better off looking at the probabilities from the NHC instead of a deterministic value. See link below.

TROPICAL STORM MILTON

actually Mike's is far more accurate that NHC. This thing is going south we won't get much but a nasty T-Storm

Bogie Shooter 10-07-2024 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2376784)
actually Mike's is far more accurate that NHC. This thing is going south we won't get much but a nasty T-Storm

Duly noted for later review……..

Normal 10-07-2024 06:38 AM

River front
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2376779)
The flip side. People living in Asheville, NC their whole lives never saw a flash flood either!

All river front communities eventually see flooding. Silt and debris settle in creeks and rivers over the years removing volume capacity. The French Broad River was no exception even at 2200 feet. Logs, trees etc. usually fall in the river during heavy storms.

Cliff10 10-07-2024 06:38 AM

Are there any sandbag filling locations near the villages?

Altavia 10-07-2024 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff10 (Post 2376788)
Are there any sandbag filling locations near the villages?


Lady Lake
W. Hermosa Street and Gibson Street
Oct. 7: open 9 a.m. – 7 p.m.


Sumter County will have sand and sandbags available for Sumter County residents for self-service at the Lake Panasoffkee Regional Recreation Park, 1589 CR 459, Lake Panasoffkee, FL starting at 8:00 a.m. until 5 p.m. on

To obtain the sand and sandbags, residents will need to provide proof of residence within Sumter County and should bring a shovel if they have one. Residents pick up sandbags, fill them, and place them in their vehicles. There is a 10-sandbag limit per vehicle.

Normal 10-07-2024 10:04 AM

Trajectory
 
The storm trajectory has nudged north, winds are 155 mph sustained. Still a Cat 4 but is expected to reach 165 mph by 2 pm. Watch your neighbor, bring things in whenever possible.

CoachKandSportsguy 10-07-2024 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2376779)
The flip side. People living in Asheville, NC their whole lives never saw a flash flood either!

The last time Ashville, NC was flooded out, drowning deaths, buildings washed away, and had to rebuild was 1919. The technological world hasn't started yet, so historical information is very spotty and limited. Kind of an example of a 100 year event. . . which few if any remember, and the third generation has lost the handed down stories from the era, so local history restarts again. .

YMMV

kaseydog 10-07-2024 10:18 AM

When The Weather Channel sends a reporter to MCO you know that our area could have some serious weather issues.

jimjamuser 10-07-2024 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2376784)
actually Mike's is far more accurate that NHC. This thing is going south we won't get much but a nasty T-Storm

Maybe, but tornadoes are possible and can be more intense than the hurricanes.

jimjamuser 10-07-2024 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2376849)
The last time Ashville, NC was flooded out, drowning deaths, buildings washed away, and had to rebuild was 1919. The technological world hasn't started yet, so historical information is very spotty and limited. Kind of an example of a 100 year event. . . which few if any remember, and the third generation has lost the handed down stories from the era, so local history restarts again. .

YMMV

It looks like we are going to see 100 year events .......now every 2 years. Things have changed DRAMATICALLY.

justjim 10-07-2024 11:09 AM

Although debating Climate Change maybe useful, that may be more appropriate for another Thread. Milton is very serious and Milton is not Helene. If I was going to hunker down in a manufactured home like many did during Helene, I would be thinking to evacuate this time to a shelter or a friends house. Helene was more than a hundred miles out in the Gulf. Milton is very different. Just saying…

kkingston57 10-07-2024 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbene (Post 2376294)
Looks like the next hurricane is on its way.

https://youtu.be/hq5c8_X1Iio?si=4jUHi0l_2DoYxndZ

Love the headline. Milton will be a hurricane. Now that is the under statement of the year as it is now a Cat 5 with 160 mph winds. Now starting to see conspiracy theories popping up(not yet on this site) about seeding the clouds which is probably a thousand miles away from parts of the US

Byte1 10-07-2024 11:21 AM

All this rain and threats of bad weather is killing my chance of a quick sale of my house in The Villages. Oh well, a whole lot of folks are having a worse time.

tophcfa 10-07-2024 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2376872)
All this rain and threats of bad weather is killing my chance of a quick sale of my house in The Villages. Oh well, a whole lot of folks are having a worse time.

Wait until potential homebuyers try to get quotes for homeowners insurance. Insurers currently have suspended giving binding quotes until Milton passes and quotes are up significantly since before Helene. I know this for a fact as I am trying to get a new policy because Farmers is pulling out of Florida and is dumping us.

Moderator 10-07-2024 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2376866)
Although debating Climate Change maybe useful, that may be more appropriate for another Thread.

Milton is very serious and Milton is not Helene. If I was going to hunker down in a manufactured home like many did during Helene, I would be thinking to evacuate this time to a shelter or a friends house. Helene was more than a hundred miles out in the Gulf. Milton is very different. Just saying…

Agree, we're trying to keep this thread focused on the hurricane Milton please.

Off topic posts will be removed.

Thanks

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-07-2024 11:44 AM

I took a peek out of curiosity at the idea of solar-powered generators. Turns out, it's a thing, and can be used to power all (or most) of your home during emergencies. You can even get combination solar/wind turbine generators with dual solar panels so if a hurricane results in days of indirect sunlight, the wind turbines will continue to turn and generate power. Might not be enough for the AC but maybe enough for fans, lights, a smaller refrigerator/freezer, a smaller microwave oven, and your computer.


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