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dadoiron 02-19-2021 12:11 PM

No more unbiased news
 
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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1903558)
Maybe you've heard about the document called the US Constitution and the Supreme Court who opines on its meanings, including the right to a free press-

Can a newspaper refuse to run a letter or advertisement? | Freedom Forum Institute

The Court wrote:

“A newspaper is more than a passive receptacle or conduit for news, comment, and advertising. The choice of material to go into a newspaper, and the decisions made as to limitations on the size and content of the paper, and treatment of public issues and public officials — whether fair or unfair — constitute the exercise of editorial control and judgment. It has yet to be demonstrated how governmental regulation of this crucial process can be exercised consistent with First Amendment guarantees of a free press as they have evolved to this time.”

Seems to me no news outlets are unbiased any more. They all edit the real news to make their biased points.

Look at any unedited streaming video compared to the supposedly unbiased news shows and you will clearly see biased reporting.

I can make my own opinions based upon unbiased reporting but really have to research to find it.

Probably because all the news shows are just that a show pandering to a specific audience to boost their ratings.

The death of real news happened years ago.

jimjamuser 02-19-2021 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1903629)
I read the article and found it to be rather poorly written and confusing...I didn't bother to re-read it and went on to the page with the comics

What I did find interesting is that the article said Sumter County hadn't changed it's tax rate in 14 years

seems to me that there may not have been much serious long term planning being done by the Sumter county officials that should have been doing that, so that additional funds needed for future infrastructure expenses were on the radar and could be collected and put aside... but with the constant increase in the tax base the money has been flowing in by the wheelbarrow for years and apparently nobody noticed.....now the circus has become too big for the tent and there's not enough money to fund the infrastructure spending that is needed

so, yes, let's tax the 'you know what' out of the small businesses, those scoundrels are making money hand over fist on us (NOT)... and let's put future business growth on hold, that'll solve the problem, (NOT)...and so what if another hospital doesn't get built in the southern area of TV, they seem to be younger down there anyway (selfish)

Kudos on the expression," the circus has gotten too big for the tent". And in this circus, the NEWSPAPER can be used to wipe off the elephant's posterior. And on a bigger scale, maybe the US population has gotten too big for its geographic bounds and natural resources?

jimjamuser 02-19-2021 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1903776)
Interesting, you place the Daily Sun as a “news outlet”.

They are NOT a news outlet, never have been, never will, and most importantly never claimed to be. They find no need to report all the news, and select only positive (in the view of the “family”) items from national wire services.

Comparing them to any “news outlet” is a manifestation of ones own severe limited knowledge.

Again, this is not negative in any way. If you want real news, skip the Daily Sun, because if it does not fit the “motives” of the family. You will. It find it.

Limiting your news to what is reported in the Daily Sun severely limits your knowledge.

I must add, have read it daily for twenty years, but not for news.

I read the comics, but even that is slanted in viewpoint because DOONESBERRY was eliminated about 12 years ago. So sad!

dewilson58 02-19-2021 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1904830)
I read the comics, but even that is slanted in viewpoint because DOONESBERRY was eliminated about 12 years ago. So sad!

Comics................it's crazy they are infected too.

jimjamuser 02-19-2021 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jokomo (Post 1904095)
I cancelled my subscription to the paper after the first “article” in this series was published. I don’t care if the Developer advertises, but I’m not going to pay him to do it. And it’s professionally dishonest to publish these items as news. I knew this was a Company town when I moved here, but the full realization of what that means is just sinking in.

Yes, this IS a "company town". That is a good way to put it. To generalize, I would call it an autocratic Kingdom. TV Land is like the Magic (or tragic) Kingdom of Disney World, just for old adults. WE are the peasants, the peons of this Kingdom. Like all Kingdoms, our Kings protect us, peons, from something - namely reality. WE are made to believe that we are young and powerful. So, we will accept our delusion. The newspaper, radio, and the square entertainment help keep us controlled in this delusion.

It sounds like voting in 3 more democratic, resident-leaning new commissioners has put a burr under the saddles of our Kings. If the residents wanted to send the Kings a more forceful message, they would have to organize and come up with some action like boycotting all restaurants, theaters, squares, and commercial establishments for SAY.....1 week. The Development Kings might take that hint seriously. And maybe some threat of some kind of lawsuit. Unfortunately, those actions are unlikely because the PEONS, like sleeping giants, are too engrossed in enjoying their DELUSION.

jimjamuser 02-19-2021 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kens613 (Post 1904119)
Thay are just trying to camouflage the price of their homes by taking fees such as impact and bond fees separate from the sale price of their new homes.. It makes the sale price of their new homes lower and more salable to compete with resales!! But the true cost is the sale price plus impact and bond fees, which most buyers aren't aware of!! Great sales gimmick but not a honest value..

Good post, kudos!

jimjamuser 02-19-2021 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 1904121)
Developers always get some kind of deal. It's just the way it is. When a company wants to build a new building and employ people, the first thing the company does is see what city/county/state is going to give them the best tax reductions and cheapest/free land. What is going on here in TV is no different. Just a little different version. You the taxpayer ALWAYS pay for development in some way or another BUT you also benefit from it by having more employees in the area that will pay taxes, attract more businesses because of the population increase and on and on.

True about the "on and on". But, that ever-increasing population at some (?) point causes "quality of life" to go down. The US is ranked 30th in that quality. Scandinavian countries are in the top ten. Have we passed that point in TV Land?

jimjamuser 02-19-2021 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1904134)
Exactly.
City/County/State leaders have long-term responsibilities and #1 is Growth.


If you are not growing, you are dying.

How about this analogy - if a person were to physically KEEP growing, eventually they would CRASH their head and shoulders out through their roof - or the circus gets too big for the tent. Pick one.

jimjamuser 02-19-2021 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1904139)
Sorry you did not do your research.
Most buyers in TV are aware................they are very smart.

I would say that the TV Landers that you know must be way smarter than 70% of the ones that I know.

Kenswing 02-19-2021 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1904874)
I would say that the TV Landers that you know must be way smarter than 70% of the ones that I know.

There's your problem. Maybe you should start hanging out with smarter people. :1rotfl:

jimjamuser 02-19-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GoPacers (Post 1904141)
Yep - consumers always pay. It's always been that way and it always will be that way.
Whether it be in the price of the home, the taxes, etc. It boggles the mind why some people think things should be free or that they cannot comprehend that things cost more today than they did 30 years ago.

If you don't like the price of a home then DON'T buy it. If people stop buying new homes then the developer will stop building new homes. Supply and demand - it's a simple concept.

The other concept people seem unable to grasp - as more infrastructure is built there will be MORE maintenance costs on that infrastructure in the future. Maintenance on infrastructure always falls on taxpayers. To pay for these increased costs you either increase the tax rate or you increase the tax base. If you wonder why the large metro areas are generally high-tax areas it's this reason. The tax base is largely fixed so the only way to pay for the increased maintenance is to raise the tax rate.

Should there be higher impact fees - absolutely. The question is really what is the right balance between impact fees and taxes. As some have pointed out, the impact fees are a one-time expense. The longer term maintenance is the bigger expense that absolutely falls on taxpayers. The real fallout of sweetheart impact fees is the significant increase in demand for maintenance going forward. Economic development is a science - and you oftentimes regulate growth with incentives. Increasing the impact fees will likely slow down growth but that is the question for commissioners to address. How much growth can the county (and community) support longer-term with the projected tax base and "resonable" tax rates????

I agree, but the ultimate goal or motivating principle should be "quality of life", not always JUST PROFITS. You may say that there is no other way but the Scandinavian countries rank in the top 10. The US used to be there too.......in 1950.....What happened?

Rosebud2020 02-19-2021 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1904858)
More than one and they come in two sizes male and female.

Look for people who will always defend the developer no matter what the subject is.

the Morse family has done a great job building this place but from what we have seen since we moved here a year ago they seem to be ignoring their old customers needs and desires.

Those who defend the developer (and we all know who they are) are not only guilty of blind faith but I question their intelligence. So many of the things in TV are bare-bones/bare minimum although there certainly are many good things. Do these defenders think they will get special treatment with something because of all the accolades they give them? barf

Yes, they have done a good overall job in the building. If you mean quality as in construction, the quality is average and nothing exceptional. Code requirements are less stringent here than in some other areas of Florida. They have, however, made many homeowners happy with what they have to offer overall but homeowners can be thanked for many of the clubs, activities, etc, and not the developer.

The nitty-gritty is now, with the many more mouths to feed, the Morse family, et al, have become increasingly greedy.
I won't expand upon that statement because it will take too much time to write and too much time to read.

jimjamuser 02-19-2021 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rockyhyder (Post 1904240)
Seems to me this whole blame the “Developer” , be against the “Developer” effort has been misguided from the beginning. The developer is actually a business operation that is one of, if not the largest employer in Sumter County. This organization is NOT the enemy but rather a business whom’s success or failure will directly impact every citizen in this County. If you want to discuss the impact of growth, good and bad, then ask the County Commission for a comprehensive study on the impact of growth for the things we pay taxes for (I.e. roads, public safety, schools, public health,recreation, etc). Then develop a method to fund these programs based on the services existing property owners utilize and assess impact fees for cost associated with new homeowners. The truth of the matter is, Estep, Miller and Search were elected as a knee jerk reaction to a tax increase, they used words that tickled a vast majority of voters ears but had NO PLAN as to how to carry it out. County government is a complex operation and there are no simple answers like “we’ll just cut taxes and increase fees”. I just hope these new inexperienced Commissioners have enough character to admit they had no clue and proceed on a path of logical decision making.

Sounds to me just like a regurgitation of the article in the Daily Sun happy talk, everything-is-wonderful propaganda machine.

jimjamuser 02-19-2021 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1904832)
Comics................it's crazy they are infected too.

Agreed, crazy.

jimjamuser 02-19-2021 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1904876)
There's your problem. Maybe you should start hanging out with smarter people. :1rotfl:

Good advice. I will try that and maybe I will get a Doberman puppy.


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