What news did they give us exactly? I just re-read both of them and mostly it was just the other cancer center complaining or generating a list of questions in the POA bulletin. The questions, if answered, are good but the questions themselves are not news, they are questions.

The only thing in either article that was news might be the answer on the lease arrangements.

Need?
 

Florida is only one of two states that does not require a proposed healthcare facility to seek a certificate of need. The other states require a proposal that clearly demonstrates that there is a need for the facility to meet unmet needs.
Here it seems to be a hands-off, have-at-it approach. When there are too many facilities, there is under-utilization and that ultimately leads to increased costs...and even closing of some pioneering outfits. This seems to be nothing less than shameful money-grubbing to get into residents pockets.

Russ, according to nci.nih.gov "the other" is not a "cancer center".

I agree completely. :BigApplause:

Thanks - I was trying to be kind.

Saratoga - Can't money grub if you don't give them any money. Let them go out of business if that's what the market dictates. This is just a cancer center affiliation - Moffitt has been in Florida and flourished for many years.

To donate or not to donate? That is the question.
 

Russ, are you going to donate to Moffitt, knowing what you now know about the situation?

The effective statement here is donate if you wish and don't if you have a problem with the issues. If you are criticizing in an attempt to influence others from not giving don't waste your breath.

Many of us have and will continue to follow our beliefs in trying to help others. Personally I purchased several memorial bricks to honor family and close friends that have fallen victim to cancer. That is my choice and not yours to decide.

To those that say this will lessen donations to other charities, not true, we still give the same to all those we have supported over the years, locally and in our home town. Follow your heart and not those that are trying to convince you based on their dislike of one or another individual. I've found after all these years that they tend to not be a giving person and of course that's their choice.

[QUOTE=chuckster;327146]The effective statement here is donate if you wish and don't if you have a problem with the issues. If you are criticizing in an attempt to influence others from not giving don't waste your breath.

Many of us have and will continue to follow our beliefs in trying to help others. Personally I purchased several memorial bricks to honor family and close friends that have fallen victim to cancer. That is my choice and not yours to decide.

To those that say this will lessen donations to other charities, not true, we still give the same to all those we have supported over the years, locally and in our home town. Follow your heart and not those that are trying to convince you based on their dislike of one or another individual. I've found after all these years that they tend to not be a giving person and of course that's their choice.[/QUOT



GREAT! AMEN!!

Some of what you say is very true but...we and many of our friends don't want to donate but... we are very active. We have a large circle of friends here. We have no say, if we want to see our friends in the show. Hospice and Relay for life are our preferred charities and they are down in the Villages. The charities are down, ask the boards.
When every 5 min you have an ad on the radio, a center set up in the town squares and shows giving part of ticket, or all the ticket, you donate whether you want or not. The smaller charities don't have that power.!! I'm off the computer for a days( so busy) and won't have time to debate but I will be donating to Moffitt whether I want to or not.

Nicely said

Well thought out post, steeped in kindness, like the person who wrote it; thoughtful and kind.

Yes I plan on buying two memorial bricks for people that I've lost to cancer.

At work I still support United Way even though they have had some issues with how the money was spent.

I support LiveStrong even though Lance is having his character questioned.

When my friends throw raffle tickets on my desk and say give me $25 I don't quiz them on the charity.

Maybe I'm naive but I suspect that registered charities (yes Moffitt is one) are, for the most part, doing something good for our communities.

I've seen nothing here or from Laureen Ritchie or the POA that makes me think this is all just one big scam.

My opinion and I'm sticking with it. You are free to do as you see fit.

Of course it is going to lessen donations to other charities. Well, that is my opinion.

Who's REALLY fundraising for Moffitt?
 

Has anyone noticed that a non-profit entity that was originally set up by Morse family (they changed officers just before fundraising for Moffitt) is fundraising for Moffitt. What's up? Why isn't Moffitt fundraising for Moffitt?

I think most residents have been lead to believe Moffitt is the entity behind this fundraiser.

I don't see this as unusual. First, it is an affiliation between Moffitt and CFHA. Second, many organizations use outside fund raiser efforts. In fact I think most benefits I attend say something like "sponsored by X with proceeds going to Y"

Banner headline in todays paper. Greg Norman coming to Villages for Moffitt Center at fundraiser Golfest.

Is it just me, or shouldn't the "banner" headline on the front page of a real newspaper be: a) cold grips the nation, or b) unrest in Egypt?

I'm just saying........

To put things in a nutshell, The Villagers are being asked to fund millions of dollars for radiation equipment for a new facility that won't provide us any new or improved services. Radiation is considered one of the "most lucrative" portions of cancer treatment, and the equipment can be expected to pay for itself in 2-3 years.

I laud those people that support charities. We all know people who have suffered from cancer ,and good feeling people that we are, we want to help out. In these times of economic hardship, although some people will up their charitable donations to meet various causes, many have a set amount they give any one year, and if they give some to Moffit, some other charity will suffer. Personally, I want my money to go to a charitable cause that really needs it. I just don't see how this "Moffit Center" needs our money. They have over $175 million in assets they can borrow against to purchase equipment, and the equipment will pay for itself in a couple of years anyways.

My spouse and I have been supporting charities for years; most recently I've donated to SeeYourImpact.org. Our money helps out poor people who will never be able to repay us, but our donation will help improve their life. I would much rather make a contribution to a real charity like that, then something like Moffit who has no business asking for money, in my opinion.

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This post makes me think of this, an old TV program that I own on DVD. If you know the program you will see the connection. All other please proceed to the next post.

I keep expecting the big white baloon to roll down Morse Blvd

Well said, Taj.

Key Words
 

As Chuckster and others have said, people are being asked to donate with donate and asked being the key words. This is entirely different from an assessment which is not one of the key words here. With assessments there is no choice concerning participation, choice being the key word.

Even though the request is seemingly targeting The Villages community, I don't think that that is the case at all. No where have I seen that only donations from Villagers will be accepted or that only Villagers will have access to the new facility. Cancer knows no boundaries, be it age, assets, or geography or any other parameter.

Until cancer becomes extinct, there can never be too much access to facilities, equipment, drugs, or whatever no matter the means. IMHO

Well put...:BigApplause:

I disagree with the statement that there can never be too much access. Let me tell you my story.

When my PSA starting going up seven years ago, I researched who were the top doctors that treated prostate conditions. I found a medical oncologist who treated nothing but prostate related diseases. Although he was five hours from my home, I felt it was important enough to make the trip. After doing a COMPLETE physical assessment, he recommended a biopsy. However, he also recommended that I go one of several physicians who use color dopler ultrasound to guide their biopsy because it highlights blood source which cancer needs to grow. The norm at the time was for grey scale ultrasound which doesn’t highlight blood source. He also recommended that the biopsy slides be sent to a pathologist who does nothing but prostate tissue because it is important that the correct gleason score be assigned if cancer is found. Unfortunately, after following his guidance I was diagnosed with prostate cancer.
This oncologist then started me on androgen deprivation therapy and after two months my PSA had dropped significantly, or so I thought. This oncologist, however, felt it should have been lower and recommended that I receive radiation treatment. He then suggested that I go to one of three sites in the USA who do nothing but prostate cancer AND publish their results. No only are their results good but the side effects from treatment were significantly less than normal. I settled on a place in Sarasota and rented a villa there while being treated for two months. So, here I am seven years later, with an undetectable PSA and no significant side effects.

Two points from all this:
1. The doctor doing the treatment and his expertise is way more important than just having a facility. The Villages may be getting a “Moffit” center but they are NOT getting “Moffit” doctors or necessarily “Moffit” class treatment. All doctors are not the same, even though they are in the same specialty. The doctor who graduates at the top of his class and the one who graduates at the bottom are both called doctor. You have to search out the ones at the top. In addition to their practices, they will take part in research AND publish their results.
2. Don’t be afraid to travel for treatment. In most cases, the initial treatment is the major determinant on whether an effective cure is made for many cancers. Subsequent salvage treatments may effect cures but usually just prolong life.

I agree. The more people involved, as in any highly profitable endeavor, the danger is you may be the one who ends up with the 'expert' who is "all hat, no cattle", as we say in Kentucky. With cancer, no one wants to risk that.

Straight out of the Glenn Beck playbook/chalkboard.Excuse me, I am going to puke.

How much better could other charities do in the area
 

if they were afforded the coverage provided by TV media???If a day goes by that the subject of "Moffitt" is not in your face in the happy paper, please let me know.

Not bashing anybody except simple observation. There are times when TV owned/supported/promoted/operated entities do have a conflict of interest.

Won't it be a shame if the equipment funding comes up short and TV will have to "borrow" from it's cash hoard designated for the new hospital in Brownwood?

TV and it's representatives have made it perfectly clear they have little time, effort or funding for anything/anybody that is not aimed at Moffitt.

Is it The Villages Moffitt Cancer Center (which is how it started to be promoted)....or The Moffitt Cancer Center at The Villages which has been used more recently....and then either or both in some of the daily blustering!!!

And anybody who does not think the effort is aimed squarely at TV residents is not very well calibrated to the reality of the effort.

btk

The voice of experience and wisdom .:mademyday:

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I keep saying, it isn't just the equipment. It is the person who figures out precisely WHERE the radiation is to be pointed and for how long and factors in the scoliosis you may have and how many lymph nodes are affected and marks the area on your body and then carefully positions you in that particular way every day for a month and then watches carefully when the burn begins to take off your skin and treats you for that too.

It isn't JUST the equipment. LIke iaudit says, you must use YOUR brain to find the BEST doctor and the best treatment and travel there if need be. Facilities are VERY, very different and some are MUCH better than others.

I am very glad to hear your good results iaudit!

Shadow-
You might notice my avatar and quote. The first time I was in the Villages I was expecting Rover (the white weather baloon) to make an appearence at any time. So I guess we know who is Number One around here.
Be seeing you.

The Prisoner program is fresh in my mind because I am currently watching the series, episode 6 is tonight. A weather balloon preceded by a close up of a lava lamp, that’s scary. An earlier poster referred to the news paper as the happy paper. When I think of that I can not hold back a smile.

Why did you resign Number 6? Talk and you will be free.

:shrug::shrug:

Follow the Money
 

People keep saying it's their right to donate to Moffitt if they feel the need. I agree - send the donation to the real Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa. Here you are donating to The Village Health System who is opening a Moffitt affiliate and using your donations to offset the cost of the future Brownwood hospital.

I will not make any deals with you. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own. I resign.

Shadow, I suspect that will put a smile on your facw.

I certainly want a cancer center there. I am not yet in remission and we will be moving to the villages (fingers crossed) sometime this year. My main concern is over medical care and the more that is available, the better.

Can you substantiate this?

Russ, it was in the paper that if Moffit didn't reach the goals, the funds would come out of the Brownwood hospital. I look for the article, but can't find it, but I do remember distinctly reading this. For me, it was just another reason to be against this center. (And I've already reserved two brickss for my parents for the Moffitt Center in Leesburg.)

You know what bothers me about this thread?

It seems to me that there are far too many folk who won't even consider a few bucks on behalf of Moffitt. :shocked:

It seems to me that there are a lot of folk who won't give anything at all on behalf of Moffitt. :shocked:

It seems to me that there are a lot of folk who just distrust any appeal for help, especially if it involves a fairly substantial amount of cash! :shocked:

It seems to me that there are a lot of folk who think that The Developer is always going to pocket a great amount of what they lay out, no matter why!

I was happy to donate what I consider a fairly substantial amount, in memory of my late wife, lost almost 11 years ago, to throat cancer. I'd have donated the same whether the appeal had come from our local hospital at the time of her death or from my new home's outstanding medical facility, here in The Villages.

I'm sorry, but the pettiness really, really gets to me!

SWR
:beer3:

yes but ajakk said just the opposite. Unless I read it wrong.