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Warren Kiefer 06-11-2015 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 1072621)
according to the online paper, sumter county sees no way to widen morse blvd north of 466.
i think they missed the boat (this is where everyone else can get in).
I am not a traffic engineer, but here is my humble opinion.
Sumter county, would it be possible to move the golf cart lanes away from the existing roadway, if necessary on the opposite side of the drainage ditch? My thoughts are this would effectively widen the roadway, and hopefully provide sufficient space to include the suggested left turn lanes. Then provide specific location where the golf carts could cross morse. This will probably involve the installation of traffic lights, which in turn will have the effect to slow traffic.
From a google map review, it appears there is sufficient space to move the golf cart lanes, not sure if the additional space from the moved golf cart lanes will support left turn lanes. Also, there would probably be a need for curbing on the new golf cart lanes to keep carts from crossing in between the designated areas. I am sure this approach will need much less right of way than the proposed 4 lane roadway.

I think this is a balanced approach that addresses most if not all of the concerns expressed for the safety of this road.

Now before the lynch mob forms for this poster, i completely agree with many of the online comments, that this safety concern is probably being blown way out of proportion, but i have been on this stretch several times over the last 6 months, and have decided to avoid that area as it seems to congested, and all people using this section need to be very mindful of the traffic.
Let the fun bring!!!!
i have looked at this possibility and think it would work. It would require the removal of some trees but little else.

Warren Kiefer 06-11-2015 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1072915)
4 lanes, move the cart/bike lane, redo the drainage ditch, turn lanes, traffic lights - who is supposed to pay for that and for the taking of the land to go along with all of these wants? The only things that are needed are obedience to traffic laws, common sense and a little bit of courtesy!
it's our money that will pay for it. Sumter county has a gold mine regarding the villages. Here we have 118,000 people paying school taxes and with none of us having a child in a sumter county school.

Polar Bear 06-11-2015 11:55 AM
I'm gonna say it...I simply do not see a significant problem on Morse. Even in the winter, I get where I want to go with minimal delays and do not see any serious safety issues. An occasional difficulty for a southbound golf cart trying to cross Morse north of the gates is the worst I see, and that is nothing that standard caution cannot take care of.

Reckless, insensitive drivers...both car and cart...will cause accidents, as they will anywhere.

Bogie Shooter 06-11-2015 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdills (Post 1072929)
I have the solution, stop the cut through from non residence on Morris Blvd, we all know that will never happen because Morris doesn't want to maintain this road.
Morris?

rubicon 06-11-2015 12:30 PM
I travel Morse quite often primarily to get to MVP. It can be a bear and it especially get backed up when people attempt left hand turns to some of the villages without traffic lights.

Leaving Morse to get to a cart path near the gate can create some problems.

You are not going to be able to control human behavior. So some changes to this road need to be modified to counter people's propensities.

some have mentioned drainage ditches and clearly they provide an opportunity to widen the road so that at least there is safer passage for golf carts.

Roads like Rio Grande and Del Mar are horrible for carts with no room for error especially on Rio Grande when leaving Sumter to Lake county.

If there is a cart in front of me when I cross to Lake county I just let the cart travel ahead to the stop sign at Del Mar because its just plain safer for all of us.

Morse is a concern and it does need to be addressed and I am certain those county officials responsible will find a satisfactory solutions

Polar Bear 06-11-2015 12:39 PM
Trips to MVP are part of my frequent travels on Morse also. I agree that the cart lanes are too narrow on some side streets, especially Rio Grande. But that is the only significant issue I see.

Sandtrap328 06-11-2015 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdills (Post 1072929)
I have the solution, stop the cut through from non residence on Morris Blvd, we all know that will never happen because Morris doesn't want to maintain this road.

Wouldn't the cut through give Morris The Cat quicker access to his Friskies on his way to Lake Sumpter? :boxing2:

USCGretired 06-11-2015 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1072896)
I'm surprised to hear people say that. I drive on this section of Morse quite often in both my car and golf carts and I rarely see people speeding. When I'm in my car I usually set my speed control right at 30 and it's rare that I have someone tailgating me. I think that most people drive 30-35mph in that area.

That's not to say that there is not an occasional speeder but I don't see it as a chronic problem.
Last week in my car with my speed control set to 30, I had a guy tail gate me going south on Morse and just north of Rio Grande he went across the double yellow line, passed me, slammed on his brakes while pulling in front of me then started screaming at me for going to slow. Going 30 caused him to go into total road rage, then he speeds off and was easily going 40.

I live in the area so I am impacted by this poorly planned roadway everyday. I would like to see 25 max speed limit, carts and cars share the road so at times traffic will only flow at 20, give the cart path to walkers and bicycles. Double speeding fines like in a construction zone. :a040::a040:

Polar Bear 06-11-2015 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by USCGretired (Post 1073080)
...I would like to see 25 max speed limit, carts and cars share the road...
Like the local streets inside villages? Ain't gonna happen. And it shouldn't.

NYGUY 06-11-2015 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by USCGretired (Post 1073080)
Last week in my car with my speed control set to 30....
Why would anyone be using Cruise Control on a neighborhood road with slow speed limits and traffic lights and so many other possibilities to cause you to have to stop or slow down or swerve. I don't get it!! I only use cruise control on interstate highways/expressways. This sounds a lot more dangerous than speeders on Morse.

Villager Joyce 06-11-2015 03:59 PM
I don't know much, but this I do know: villagetinker is smart, real smart. If he says this will work, this will work.

BobnBev 06-11-2015 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1072915)
4 lanes, move the cart/bike lane, redo the drainage ditch, turn lanes, traffic lights - who is supposed to pay for that and for the taking of the land to go along with all of these wants? The only things that are needed are obedience to traffic laws, common sense and a little bit of courtesy!
And a whole lot more ENFORCEMENT of the existing laws.:police:

BobnBev 06-11-2015 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1073004)
Wouldn't the cut through give Morris The Cat quicker access to his Friskies on his way to Lake Sumpter? :boxing2:
Maybe there is "pee" in Lake Sumter.:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::1rotfl::popcorn:

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-11-2015 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NYGUY (Post 1073095)
Why would anyone be using Cruise Control on a neighborhood road with slow speed limits and traffic lights and so many other possibilities to cause you to have to stop or slow down or swerve. I don't get it!! I only use cruise control on interstate highways/expressways. This sounds a lot more dangerous than speeders on Morse.
I use my cruise control any time I go over 25 mph. It in no way inhibits my ability to slow down or stop. If I need to stop, slow down or swerve, I simply step on the brake. Nothing dangerous about it.

Polar Bear 06-11-2015 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1073115)
I use my cruise control any time I go over 25 mph. It in no way inhibits my ability to slow down or stop. If I need to stop, slow down or swerve, I simply step on the brake. Nothing dangerous about it.
Same here. (Maybe more like 35 mph for me.)

You have to careful it doesn't let you get too passive, but overall I think it's a good thing...positive speed control.


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