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BobnBev 08-13-2023 08:51 PM
How about Jersey barriers separating the golf cart lane from the car lane.

Laker14 08-14-2023 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2244983)
How about Jersey barriers separating the golf cart lane from the car lane.
aside from being ugly as sin, you'd have to widen the road considerably to accommodate them, and you still have the issues of getting from the cart lane to the car lane for left turns.

It would be impossible to pass slow moving carts or bicycles. Did I mention it would be ugly as sin?

Also I don't see how it addresses the issue of crossing at the 466 gate, southbound.

Rodneysblue 08-14-2023 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2244704)
If you want to improve safety then just spend a few days breathalyzing every golf cart driver. The police will probably need several large transport vans per day for all the drunken cart drivers. Of course they just let them out on bail to re-offend but it's a start. If the cart drivers would stay just sober, pay attention, and have a little patience there would be very few crashes.
Could do the same for all the drivers, there are many more cars than carts.

Papa_lecki 08-14-2023 07:37 AM
A good traffic calming idea - make Morse and Buena Vista a toll road for cars, the entire way.

tophcfa 08-14-2023 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2245084)
A good traffic calming idea - make Morse and Buena Vista a toll road for cars, the entire way.
The cars gotta go somewhere, that would divert traffic into the residential neighborhoods. I’m sure that would make lot of people happy? And don’t forget, the landscapers, delivery trucks, and contractors would simply pass along those costs to the Villager’s.

golfing eagles 08-14-2023 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2244952)
On this road 2-3 times a week and most people do go near the speed limit. Speed does not cause accidents but does exacerbate the impact.
Also, at the crossing point, northbound traffic is just accelerating from their stop at the gate, southbound traffic is slowing for the gate. Very few, if any, are "speeding" at that point. While it is a more difficult merge and turn than average, I've never had a problem, even in heavy traffic, and anyone with even average driving skills should not have a problem either. Save the $15 million.

Also, I'll continue to maintain that all those that post complaints about "speeding" are those with the weakest driving skills that you never want to get behind on a 2 lane road.

Topspinmo 08-14-2023 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PVR (Post 2244765)
The other answers is for golf carts to WAIT to cross over until no cars are coming and safely go to the middle safe area and continue when that side is clear.
Instead of putting your hand out signaling that you are coming over without waiting for an opening in traffic. WAIT not everyone is watching for your hand and may not stop for you. Golf carts do NOT have the right of way.

If golf cart ahead and their space it’s legal merge. Speed up or tailgating not letting traffic merge IS accident waiting to happen. Most accidents are from merging vehicles not looking before the merge right off front bumper of car behind them not giving that driver time to react. They should be merging long before the left turn if traffic heavy. But that cause road rage cause of inpatient mentally unstable people.

Same thing when vehicles making right turn when there diamond lane. they have to safely merge Not speed up can cutoff vehicles in diamond lane. Some have even turned right into golf cart in diamond lane. So it two way street both having right of ways.

Papa_lecki 08-14-2023 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2245139)
The cars gotta go somewhere, that would divert traffic into the residential neighborhoods. I’m sure that would make lot of people happy? And don’t forget, the landscapers, delivery trucks, and contractors would simply pass along those costs to the Villager’s.
Well yes, but imagine what the CDD can do with that toll money. The executive courses will be nicer than Augusta.

We residents will get the toll money back in higher property values.

tophcfa 08-14-2023 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2245180)
Well yes, but imagine what the CDD can do with that toll money. The executive courses will be nicer than Augusta.
Need to pay attention, the CDD’s don’t own the roads, the county does.

Marathon Man 08-14-2023 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2245180)
Well yes, but imagine what the CDD can do with that toll money. The executive courses will be nicer than Augusta.

We residents will get the toll money back in higher property values.
Why would the CDD get the money from a toll on a county road?

I'm Popeye! 08-14-2023 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2244968)
Excellent explanation. Ergo, no speed limits should ever be enforced.

Is that your position?
Wasn't the question from you, on 'how do you go from 45 MPH down to 15 MPH'.
I explained, but now you are twisting my words saying I said, "No law enforcement needed"..
I'm done with you! :wave:

villagetinker 08-14-2023 12:04 PM
I would have liked to see a detailed listing of all of the accidents along this section of road and the CAUSE of the accidents. Then I would suggest that we pursue actions that would limit these types of accidents. The report was actually quite good, but it was directed at getting the golf carts and cars separated from each other NOT at reducing accidents, the assumption is that by separating the cars and golf carts this will reduce the accidents.
I am thinking that if we actually knew the leading cause of the accidents, and if there were specific areas that were more accident prone, we could work on those areas at a much lower cost than what the report had.
Basically what I am saying is spend the money specifically where the accidents are occurring.

golfing eagles 08-14-2023 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2245259)
I would have liked to see a detailed listing of all of the accidents along this section of road and the CAUSE of the accidents. Then I would suggest that we pursue actions that would limit these types of accidents. The report was actually quite good, but it was directed at getting the golf carts and cars separated from each other NOT at reducing accidents, the assumption is that by separating the cars and golf carts this will reduce the accidents.
I am thinking that if we actually knew the leading cause of the accidents, and if there were specific areas that were more accident prone, we could work on those areas at a much lower cost than what the report had.
Basically what I am saying is spend the money specifically where the accidents are occurring.
I'm pretty sure we both know what such a report would show as the cause of accidents:

1) Cart drivers (distracted, impaired, lousy drivers or other) that merge right in front of a car that cannot stop in time

2) Car drivers (distracted, impaired, lousy drivers or other) that speed up to try to prevent a cart from merging

Both of these types of behaviors stem from the growing societal attitude of "Me first and to heck with you".

Separation would solve the problem, if the car is in Maine and the cart in Hawaii, but doesn't look like a feasibility at 466 and Morse unless millions are spent on a total redesign including a tunnel.

toeser 08-14-2023 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2244306)
As a resident of CDD1 who frequently travels Morse Blvd (especially between the intersections with San Marino and 466) I have a strong interest in this issue. I just finished an exhaustive review of the Kimberly Horn Report outlining the situation as well as the two proposed modifications to the current traffic system. My conclusions are as follows, from the prospective of a golf cart driver:

- Unlike many others, I don’t find the current system to be that bad. The only part of the existing system I really dislike is the crossover for south bound cart traffic just north of the gate leading to 466.
- The benefits of the two proposed traffic modifications (separating golf carts from automobile traffic and bicycle traffic (under one alternative), and eliminating the crossover north of the 466 gate), are far outweighed by the disadvantages (multiple stops created at road crossings as well as a nightmarish crossover of Morse south of San Marino and north of the Postal Station).
- The work required for either alternative will be very disruptive for an extended period of time and significantly change the character of the existing mature area.
- The modifications required under either alternative would be very disruptive to many unfortunate abutters to the involved areas (it wouldn’t affect me).
-Sumter County wants nothing to do with the project, making permitting and cost sharing a very difficult task.
- Both of the proposed traffic modifications are expensive and it appears the cost burden would be solely that of the 3,400 CDD1 residents at a cost of roughly $4,500 per residency. And that’s before the typical cost overruns.

Based on these observations/conclusions, I say leave things the way they currently are, or significantly downsize the project and try to find a way to improve the crossover for southbound traffic just north of the 466 gate.

That’s one persons opinion, I’m sure others will be different.
I think just adding one foot to the shoulder on each side of Morse would make it far safer and cost way less than what has been proposed.

npwalters 08-14-2023 04:46 PM
In the for whatever it's worth category. I was surprised to read that the golf cart lanes are 7 feet wide. My measurement with my uncalibrated tape measure was 5' 5" on average. That is on the portion that is immediately adjacent to Morse (about half of it).


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