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IRISHGIRL3US 07-17-2021 06:34 PM

Not just repeating, complaining.

Becca9800 07-17-2021 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by beeneyra (Post 1974376)
I'm s Christian, I believe in freedom of speech, and religion. Doesn't bother me, but moving on up is racial, referring to the Jefferson who lived on the east side. That bothers me, not sure what a pink flamingo has to do with any of this. Live and let live and just be friendly, this is your hometown friendliest place.

Any topic, any statement, can be perceived "racial" if that's what you're looking for. Js.

DaleDivine 07-17-2021 09:37 PM

:popcorn::popcorn:

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-17-2021 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1974419)
I was told that the little white cross meant they loss someone. So death- not religion. Looking at it that way puts a whole new perspective.

Except in the case of this thread, this topic, it is very specifically to do with religion. There are people who put these on their lawns and proclaim "freedom of RELIGION" as their justification to break the rules. There is currently a lawsuit about it. And now that there is so much support for this one household that has chosen to break the rules and use "freedom of religion" as their excuse, there is a new, very decisively religious statue on another home that is getting a lot of heavy press.

All because people refuse to follow the rules of their particular village. You choose to live in a neighborhood that has the rule "no lawn ornaments" then you should not be given a free pass just because your lawn ornament has some connection with a religion.

And all the people supporting them should remember that when they side with the rulebreakers, they're hanging their banner on the side of anarchy with the name "religion" printed on the bottom.

Skunky1 07-18-2021 05:45 AM

Put the symbols in The back yard!

Redsmom 07-18-2021 07:45 AM

Rules some choose to ignore…
 
Yes, "rules are rules." Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.[/QUOTE]

That’s exactly it. The same folks who go on and on complaining about a little white cross in someone’s yard, consistently drive over the speed limit. Even though, they agreed to the rules of the road when they accepted their license to drive. So it really boils down to WHICH rules they choose to ignore.

JMintzer 07-18-2021 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Redsmom (Post 1974781)
Yes, "rules are rules." Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

That’s exactly it. The same folks who go on and on complaining about a little white cross in someone’s yard, consistently drive over the speed limit. Even though, they agreed to the rules of the road when they accepted their license to drive. So it really boils down to WHICH rules they choose to ignore.[/QUOTE]

Yet they can be ticketed/fined/arrested if they drive over the speed limit...

Are you for the same "punishment" for yard ornaments?

jimjamuser 07-18-2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1974193)
Same question in reverse: how many people have killed because they worship the pink flamingo?

That IS deep and thought-provoking!

jimjamuser 07-18-2021 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 1974243)
I'm an agnostic, only enter a church for weddings and funerals. I might not understand the need to advertise what religion you follow, but I really don't understand why this is an issue. I don't lose any sleep because I see a little white cross or a star of David.

Many wars have been religious wars. Even today in the US, religion can be manipulated to cause division and NOT unity.

jimjamuser 07-18-2021 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1974649)

The best picture of the bunch.

jimjamuser 07-18-2021 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1974677)
Except in the case of this thread, this topic, it is very specifically to do with religion. There are people who put these on their lawns and proclaim "freedom of RELIGION" as their justification to break the rules. There is currently a lawsuit about it. And now that there is so much support for this one household that has chosen to break the rules and use "freedom of religion" as their excuse, there is a new, very decisively religious statue on another home that is getting a lot of heavy press.

All because people refuse to follow the rules of their particular village. You choose to live in a neighborhood that has the rule "no lawn ornaments" then you should not be given a free pass just because your lawn ornament has some connection with a religion.

And all the people supporting them should remember that when they side with the rulebreakers, they're hanging their banner on the side of anarchy with the name "religion" printed on the bottom.

FreeDUMB of religion!

jimjamuser 07-18-2021 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1974819)
That’s exactly it. The same folks who go on and on complaining about a little white cross in someone’s yard, consistently drive over the speed limit. Even though, they agreed to the rules of the road when they accepted their license to drive. So it really boils down to WHICH rules they choose to ignore.

Yet they can be ticketed/fined/arrested if they drive over the speed limit...

Are you for the same "punishment" for yard ornaments?[/QUOTE]
All rules must be enforced by SOME government entity - speeding by the Police - lawn ornaments by the court system. Zero enforcement would be anarchy. People complain about "THE GOVERNMENT", yet it would be impossible to have a functioning society without government.

newgirl 07-18-2021 02:52 PM

Sounds like moving elsewhere is definitely what you need. Market is hot , so you should be able to sell and move on in 30 days!

JMintzer 07-18-2021 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1974990)
Yet they can be ticketed/fined/arrested if they drive over the speed limit...

Are you for the same "punishment" for yard ornaments?

All rules must be enforced by SOME government entity - speeding by the Police - lawn ornaments by the court system. Zero enforcement would be anarchy. People complain about "THE GOVERNMENT", yet it would be impossible to have a functioning society without government.[/QUOTE]

You wanna' fix your post? I never said what you quoted me as saying...

JMintzer 07-18-2021 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1974993)
Speed limits are a law, not deed restriction. Yard ornaments are deed restrictions, not laws. But I'm guessing you knew that.

Deed restrictions are LEGAL restrictions agreed to by the purchaser...

So yes, they are the LAW of the neighborhood. Otherwise they couldn't be LEGALLY enforced...

JMintzer 07-18-2021 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1974990)
Yet they can be ticketed/fined/arrested if they drive over the speed limit...

Are you for the same "punishment" for yard ornaments?

All rules must be enforced by SOME government entity - speeding by the Police - lawn ornaments by the court system. Zero enforcement would be anarchy. People complain about "THE GOVERNMENT", yet it would be impossible to have a functioning society without government.[/QUOTE]

People complain about "GOVERNMENT OVERREACH", not "The Government"...

I don't think there are many anarchists living in TV...

JMintzer 07-18-2021 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1974982)
FreeDUMB of religion!

Care to explain?

Byte1 07-19-2021 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1975013)
Care to explain?

Excellent question! I was also wondering what was meant by his statement. Surely it was not meant to insult?

JMintzer 07-19-2021 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1975311)
Excellent question! I was also wondering what was meant by his statement. Surely it was not meant to insult?

So far... Crickets...

And don't call me Shirley!

LateBoomer 07-20-2021 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy1 (Post 1974309)
I see a pink flamingo as being warm and friendly, I see a little white cross as being judgmental. God loves us all.

I see those who see a cross as judgmental as being judgmental and therefore rank hypocrites

graciegirl 07-20-2021 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LateBoomer (Post 1975535)
I see those who see a cross as judgmental as being judgmental and therefore rank hypocrites

This is about deed restrictions and really not about criticism of someone's faith.

If you move here, most will not be able to place lawn ornaments of any kind without permission from the Architectural Review Committee. If a person places ANYTHING in their yard that does not meet their approval, AND SOMEONE REPORTS THEM, then they will be asked to remove it, or put it under the eaves of their house. If they fail to do so, they open themselves to be fined.

I like this deed restriction. It is one of the reasons we chose to live here. We have had similar deed restrictions in the neighborhoods in Ohio where we lived.

It is my feeling that it makes for a nicer appearance and protects the property values of all.

Byte1 07-22-2021 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1975642)
This is about deed restrictions and really not about criticism of someone's faith.

If you move here, most will not be able to place lawn ornaments of any kind without permission from the Architectural Review Committee. If a person places ANYTHING in their yard that does not meet their approval, AND SOMEONE REPORTS THEM, then they will be asked to remove it, or put it under the eaves of their house. If they fail to do so, they open themselves to be fined.

I like this deed restriction. It is one of the reasons we chose to live here. We have had similar deed restrictions in the neighborhoods in Ohio where we lived.

It is my feeling that it makes for a nicer appearance and protects the property values of all.

Hmm, as much as I would like to agree with you, "nicer appearance" is in the eyes of the beholder. "Protects property values" seems to be contrary to fact today, also. Almost all homes in my neighborhood are personalized, meaning many yard ornaments, pots and other personal choices. No home put on the market this year has been there for very long. One that I know of, sold for over $600K that sold for about $500K last year. I have not seen anyone take a loss in my neighborhood. Apparently, those yard decorations had little effect on the market. I don't always find the same attraction toward some modifications that the owners sees, but I don't like yellow cars either.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-22-2021 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1976954)
Hmm, as much as I would like to agree with you, "nicer appearance" is in the eyes of the beholder. "Protects property values" seems to be contrary to fact today, also. Almost all homes in my neighborhood are personalized, meaning many yard ornaments, pots and other personal choices. No home put on the market this year has been there for very long. One that I know of, sold for over $600K that sold for about $500K last year. I have not seen anyone take a loss in my neighborhood. Apparently, those yard decorations had little effect on the market. I don't always find the same attraction toward some modifications that the owners sees, but I don't like yellow cars either.

Exactly. I don't like the "stepford wives" look in landscaping. I don't want to look around a neighborhood for a new home and think "okay - which green square do I want to own? The left one, the right one, the one in the middle, the one across the street - oh well who cares, they're all pretty much the same." My neighbors come in all shapes, sizes, colors, have all kinds of different accents, are from different countries with different cultures.

I LIKE knowing there are differences. I embrace differences. That's why I'm okay with my neighbors having landscapes that reflect those differences. Some folks just want everyone to be like everyone else. To me, that's boring; a monochromatic life bereft of visual stimulation.

That said, I moved to the neighborhood I live in now, in the Villages, partly because these things are acceptable here. The deed restrictions are not as strict. We still have rules and regs, but we have some wiggle room for personal touches. We aren't the Borg nor are we expected to decorate as if we were.

golfing eagles 07-23-2021 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1977002)
Exactly. I don't like the "stepford wives" look in landscaping. I don't want to look around a neighborhood for a new home and think "okay - which green square do I want to own? The left one, the right one, the one in the middle, the one across the street - oh well who cares, they're all pretty much the same." My neighbors come in all shapes, sizes, colors, have all kinds of different accents, are from different countries with different cultures.

I LIKE knowing there are differences. I embrace differences. That's why I'm okay with my neighbors having landscapes that reflect those differences. Some folks just want everyone to be like everyone else. To me, that's boring; a monochromatic life bereft of visual stimulation.

That said, I moved to the neighborhood I live in now, in the Villages, partly because these things are acceptable here. The deed restrictions are not as strict. We still have rules and regs, but we have some wiggle room for personal touches. We aren't the Borg nor are we expected to decorate as if we were.

But if you were, resistance would be futile:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Lindsyburnsy 07-23-2021 05:58 AM

Why do people move to the Villages when they know you are prohibited from adding things to your landscape? Stay in your previous residence and put whatever you want. I really don't know why people think advertising their political, sports, religious junk in their yard is a beautification of the landscaping. It looks trashy, that's why there are restrictions.


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