[pabotticelli]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

The blinking yellow left turn arrow. If both left turn lanes have cars, the ability to see thru traffic is blocked.
Changing the yellow arrow to red would contribute to a safer intersection.

Agree, should not have a blinking yellow light at Morse & 466A because the onccming traffic is blocked by the cars stopped at the light. I have experienced cars traveling 45--50+mph all the time and race through the yellow & red lights. Proceed with extra caution at all times on that road.

[Chatbrat]

The most amazing thing about the accident-is there will be zero mention about it in the Daily Sun

[lizbell]

Going west on 466 and coming to Buena Vista to make a left turn is only possible now when you have the green turn arrow. Otherwise the turn arrow is red. A great improvement to that intersection !

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by lizbell

Going west on 466 and coming to Buena Vista to make a left turn is only possible now when you have the green turn arrow. Otherwise the turn arrow is red. A great improvement to that intersection !

Except when it backs up traffic 1/4 mile

[Chatbrat]

And the morons who don't know how to pull into an intersection to make a left turn before the light turns red. If you're behind them you have to wait for complete 4 light cycle

[perrjojo]

Back to the OP. I saw the accident that was mentioned. It was dark so it was difficult to see what may have happened. There were probably four vehicles involved near the intersection but it did not appear to happen within the intersection.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

And the morons who don't know how to pull into an intersection to make a left turn before the light turns red. If you're behind them you have to wait for complete 4 light cycle

Don't try that in PA.....if the light turns red while you are in the intersection you have run the red light. I learned that the hard way. In PA you don't cross the stop line or crosswalk until the approaching lane is clear. I assume it might be the same here but don't know.

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Except when it backs up traffic 1/4 mile

Not too bad at Buena Vista. Morse would be a different story. You would need two left hand turn lanes, which is pretty common nowadays.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Don't try that in PA.....if the light turns red while you are in the intersection you have run the red light. I learned that the hard way. In PA you don't cross the stop line or crosswalk until the approaching lane is clear. I assume it might be the same here but don't know.

In Florida, if you have a green ball or blinking yellow arrow do not wait to cross the stop bar and enter the intersection. You cross the stop bar and enter into the intersection immediately and turn at the first adequate gap. If the green ball turns yellow, or the flashing yellow arrow turns solid prior to an adequate gap, be ready to turn when the light turns red and the approaching traffic stops.

When you proceed and the light is red, you are NOT running the red light. You are "clearing the intersection", which you have the right-of-way to do. Once you crossed the stop bar appropriately, you are no longer subject to the red light...it just means you need to proceed with your left turn immediately upon the first opportunity to clear the intersection. Due to a brief all-red phase, you will not be in conflict with any other vehicles if you make your turn without delay.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

And the morons who don't know how to pull into an intersection to make a left turn before the light turns red. If you're behind them you have to wait for complete 4 light cycle

The problem being out in the intersections you have to turn sometimes on yellow. Then you got that AH speeding down the right lane beating the yellow that pops out behind the car in the left center lane. Wham!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

In Florida, if you have a green ball or blinking yellow arrow do not wait to cross the stop bar and enter the intersection. You cross the stop bar and enter into the intersection immediately and turn at the first adequate gap. If the green ball turns yellow, or the flashing yellow arrow turns solid prior to an adequate gap, be ready to turn when the light turns red and the approaching traffic stops.

When you proceed and the light is red, you are NOT running the red light. You are "clearing the intersection", which you have the right-of-way to do. Once you crossed the stop bar appropriately, you are no longer subject to the red light...it just means you need to proceed with your left turn immediately upon the first opportunity to clear the intersection. Due to a brief all-red phase, you will not be in conflict with any other vehicles if you make your turn without delay.

That exactly how people get hit from red light runner’s in the right lane when the pop out behind the cars in the left center lane.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Not too bad at Buena Vista. Morse would be a different story. You would need two left hand turn lanes, which is pretty common nowadays.

He thinking 466A where you’re 30 deep just to get through intersection .

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

That exactly how people get hit from red light runner’s in the right lane when the pop out behind the cars in the left center lane.

No. It’s not.

First, if you proceed into the intersection properly, you can see approaching traffic. Second...and most importantly...even when the light turns red, you still make sure it is safe to complete your left turn before proceeding. Due to the all-red phase, there is plenty of time to do this.

Making sure there is a safe opening to complete your left turn should be the final step before completing ALL left turns.

[bmarlo767]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

And the morons who don't know how to pull into an intersection to make a left turn before the light turns red. If you're behind them you have to wait for complete 4 light cycle

It is against FL law to pull into the intersection if you are not clear to complete the turn.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by bmarlo767

It is against FL law to pull into the intersection if you are not clear to complete the turn.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

From State of Florida.com | Florida Traffic Signals
“...A flashing yellow light means you may move forward with caution. It is used at or just before dangerous intersections...”