I do SPEED, but its to avoid being boxed in, with the potential for boomerang accidents--I was always taught , look for space and keep the space--its your bail out area- I avoid riding with any vehicle alongside mine, especially 18 wheelers, when I pass its pedal to the metal

I tend to agree. While speed may contribute to some accidents, the drivers who are going a little faster tend to have better driving skills, unless they are drunk or suicidal. I don't worry about the driver on 466 going 55 in a 45 zone. Either he is ahead of me, in which case I won't catch up to him, or he is coming up from behind and will usually pass me in a relatively safe manner. The problem children are the drivers going 30 in the 45 zone. As you approach them, you are entering a zoo where other drivers are making highly questionable driving decisions to get around them. APPROACH WITH CAUTION, you never know what they will do. A few years ago there was a gentleman who posted he always drives 30 on 466 in the 45 zone and purposely drives in the far left lane because HE thinks 30 is fast enough! Who died and left this guy in charge, to unilaterally change the law and then try to enforce it by shoving it down everyone else's throat? IMHO, THAT is grounds for permanent license revocation.

Golfing Eagles, see that you lived in NYC & its suburbs--I used to commute from Chatham NJ,to Staten Island--it caused me to have the driving skills that I currently have and a way different mind set on how to drive in traffic

Totally agree. Lived on Long Island 20 years, Brooklyn for 4 and Staten Island for 3. You always knew your surroundings, speed of vehicles in your area, following distances and could anticipate what the other drivers were likely to do. Down here, it is a total crapshoot. People here seem to be totally oblivious to their surroundings, not only on the road but in the grocery stores, restaurants, town squares, etc.

I agree that living up there, Chatbrat & GE's previous territory sorta prepares you for living here. But it is really amazing what tunnelvision people have around here. One Goal. Get to the destination at any cost to someone else. I don't even care anymore. What's the difference? Who is going to change? Nobody!

I drove a Tractor Trailer, Dump Truck, Taxi, Etc. without an accident and have more miles in reverse than most people have going forward and I make an error now and then so I'm now in The Flock of Fockers! The truth hurts. I backed into my own garage with the driver door open and it was a wake up call to straighten up and fly rite!

This accident could the OP brought up could be anyone of us here at anytime. That's why they call it an accident and not an on purpose.

You have to have eyes in the back of your head and be aware of your surroundings at all times. Protect yourself and your own property. Park in front of any Publix for free entertainment of those who gotta get somewhere quick. It's a hoot!!!! Someone who can barely walk getting honked at by some young hoodlum, juvenile delinquent! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Blinking yellow light
 

Agree, should not have a blinking yellow light at Morse & 466A because the onccming traffic is blocked by the cars stopped at the light. I have experienced cars traveling 45--50+mph all the time and race through the yellow & red lights. Proceed with extra caution at all times on that road.

The most amazing thing about the accident-is there will be zero mention about it in the Daily Sun

Going west on 466 and coming to Buena Vista to make a left turn is only possible now when you have the green turn arrow. Otherwise the turn arrow is red. A great improvement to that intersection !

Except when it backs up traffic 1/4 mile:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And the morons who don't know how to pull into an intersection to make a left turn before the light turns red. If you're behind them you have to wait for complete 4 light cycle

Back to the OP. I saw the accident that was mentioned. It was dark so it was difficult to see what may have happened. There were probably four vehicles involved near the intersection but it did not appear to happen within the intersection.

Don't try that in PA.....if the light turns red while you are in the intersection you have run the red light. I learned that the hard way. In PA you don't cross the stop line or crosswalk until the approaching lane is clear. I assume it might be the same here but don't know.

Not too bad at Buena Vista. Morse would be a different story. You would need two left hand turn lanes, which is pretty common nowadays.

In Florida, if you have a green ball or blinking yellow arrow do not wait to cross the stop bar and enter the intersection. You cross the stop bar and enter into the intersection immediately and turn at the first adequate gap. If the green ball turns yellow, or the flashing yellow arrow turns solid prior to an adequate gap, be ready to turn when the light turns red and the approaching traffic stops.

When you proceed and the light is red, you are NOT running the red light. You are "clearing the intersection", which you have the right-of-way to do. Once you crossed the stop bar appropriately, you are no longer subject to the red light...it just means you need to proceed with your left turn immediately upon the first opportunity to clear the intersection. Due to a brief all-red phase, you will not be in conflict with any other vehicles if you make your turn without delay.

The problem being out in the intersections you have to turn sometimes on yellow. Then you got that AH speeding down the right lane beating the yellow that pops out behind the car in the left center lane. Wham!

That exactly how people get hit from red light runner’s in the right lane when the pop out behind the cars in the left center lane.

He thinking 466A where you’re 30 deep just to get through intersection .

No. It’s not.

First, if you proceed into the intersection properly, you can see approaching traffic. Second...and most importantly...even when the light turns red, you still make sure it is safe to complete your left turn before proceeding. Due to the all-red phase, there is plenty of time to do this.

Making sure there is a safe opening to complete your left turn should be the final step before completing ALL left turns.

It is against FL law to pull into the intersection if you are not clear to complete the turn.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

From State of Florida.com | Florida Traffic Signals
“...A flashing yellow light means you may move forward with caution. It is used at or just before dangerous intersections...”

The left turn signal going east at 466 and Rolling Acres is now a blinking red arrow. Someone listened.

I gather the accident was after dark last night. No one mentions that the weather might have made the roads slick since it rained yesterday. Also, sometimes the "blind spot" will catch someone who isn't looking when they change lanes and if other cars are close on the tail of one it makes for a crash-bang. I still say folks bring their driving habits with them here. In reading 2 of the posts here---that proves it (the 2 from Long Island). We have friends from further up the eastern coast who tell how bad (good??) it is in the large cities. One friend said if you aren't aggressive---you'll get killed. Well that statement probably has more truth to it than anything. Being aggressive can be fatal too. I just try to remember my driver's education classes and also drive according to the speed limits plus the signage....couple that with being attentive and careful.

Every time there is an accident we get a 5 page thread. Moderators should create a single master car accident thread titled: "There was an accident at___________" then copy all of the comments from it each time a new accident is "announced" in the thread. It's not like The Villages are the only place accidents occur. They do "accidentally" happen outside the bubble all the time as well. :D :D

You are right- many people in the villages are in a big hurry. They can't wait for a car to pass, instead pull out in front of on coming traffic.

The Forum is here for people to post what they have on their mind like the OP did. I didn't see any personal attack or back and forth with another poster that caused anyone to quit the Forum. Each time this happens it is a reminder for everybody to shape up and calm down behind the wheel. Happy New Year to you and the family!

Let's Agree
 

Let's agree, the intersection's are dangerous because a lot of the driver's are bad. Either because they go too fast, don't know how to drive, have physical problem's which cause them to be bad drivers, (e.g. vision, physical, etc.). The laxness of controls is because the Sheriff is understaffed therefore not enough staff to control the problems of 466 or the Sheriff does not place enough Deputy's on that priority. The other contribution is poor traffic control, (lights, lanes etc.). NET: Something has to be done to
establish better control's for this RACEWAY.:ohdear:

So, doing 52-53 in a 45 is not being on a raceway--its way better than doing 40 in the left lane & backing up traffic, which will cause multiple car accidents

The OP posted NO OPINION (post copied below), just a news report. S/he just announced s/he saw an accident. Didn't even suggest a reason or at least complain about old people driving too fast or slow. But based on your comment, that was EXACTLY what I did. I posted what I had on my mind about the endless "there was an accident" posts like accidents only happen around here. PLUS I had 2 "smilies" after my post so I was just bustin' chops. KnowwhatImean? :icon_wink:

IthinkIgotit! Thank's Carnac the Magnificent! :super:

Most people from up north don't joke. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

There are lots of posters on this site that possess Phd's in chops busting

For Naysayer's
 

OK Naysayers. Is there any chance any of you can have one positive thought or creative idea. Example: Is 466 having more than normal accidents or incidents? Do you have any feeling on this? I live just off the road and I do.It is not a negative thought but an observation. Now that we got over that do you have any idea for a solution. If it is Policing is it because the Sheriff is not getting enough resources or can't do the job. Not negative but rather an idea related to a possible solution. Next: Is it the profile of the road and it's traffic lay out. Again a positive direction to a possible solution? Now see that is not hard to do and may lead to helping reducing one or more accidents. Why waste your energy by just taking negative and angry shots at posters who are sincere at trying to fix a problem. Saying it may not be a problem is also positive. Now that is not hard!

Post #6
The blinking yellow left turn arrow. If both left turn lanes have cars, the ability to see thru traffic is blocked.
Changing the yellow arrow to red would contribute to a safer intersection.

I'm not saying it's ideal, but if you enter the intersection properly, you can see far enough to make a left turn safely. Or, here is the really fool-proof and totally legal option...

Enter the intersection on the flashing yellow arrow in the proper manner. If you don't think you can see far enough to make a safe left turn, then you simply wait until the light turns red. Then you have the right-of-way to complete your left turn...all perfectly legal and safe.

And or you see all the oncoming traffic coming to a complete stop, in Fl traffic lights are just a suggestion

Especially if the vehicle in the opposite turn lane has a large profile like a van or large SUV or pickup, school bus or even a semi.

Well, I guess I’ve run lots of red lights! At least I haven’t sat through numerous traffic light cycles. That is the only way to get around on Long Island and New Jersey.

Great Ideas
 

Bogie Shooter, et al what a great joy to read the post and the ideas or observations as to causes. :bigbow:

Because it's the Happy Paper!