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Topspinmo 01-03-2019 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1612758)
Another option

Or open them up for the blind like me that can’t see in daylight :ohdear:

charmed59 01-03-2019 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1612732)


Well IMO when you have rec center close there should be either pickleball courts or tennis courts. Example is saddle brook and laurel manor. Saddle brook could make 6 more pickle ball courts out of tennis courts And LAUREL manor could be all tennis courts. So you would get two more pickleball courts and three tennis courts, plus the noise from pickleball would be separated from tennis.

At Saddlebrook there are two tennis courts and six pickle ball. At Laurel Manor there are two tennis courts and 4 pickle ball courts. You could move all the pickle ball to Laurel Manor and get 10 pickle ball courts, and 4 tennis courts at Saddle brook, but that is the same number you have now. Or you could move all pickle ball to Saddlebrook and get 12 pickle ball courts, but only three tennis courts at Laurel Manor, as you can’t fit two full tennis courts in the space of 4 pickle ball courts. It wouldn’t be the most efficient use of space.

tophcfa 01-03-2019 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1612808)
I will be surprised it they do. Probably be the horseshoe capitol of the villages. Starting the 7th January district 4 residents can put their two cents in and be trumped by nickel. Two tennis courts with practice backboard would be nice, platform tennis courts would be nice, badminton courts would be nice, 3 wall racketball/ handball courts would be nice, pitching green would be nice.

An indoor sports pool would be awsome.

Topspinmo 01-03-2019 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1612819)
An indoor sports pool would be awsome.

I agree, I thought I read where the developers were going to build the pool, but that was couple years go when the property was first on the table for district 3 and 4 law suit money.

Topspinmo 01-03-2019 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by charmed59 (Post 1612811)
At Saddlebrook there are two tennis courts and six pickle ball. At Laurel Manor there are two tennis courts and 4 pickle ball courts. You could move all the pickle ball to Laurel Manor and get 10 pickle ball courts, and 4 tennis courts at Saddle brook, but that is the same number you have now. Or you could move all pickle ball to Saddlebrook and get 12 pickle ball courts, but only three tennis courts at Laurel Manor, as you can’t fit two full tennis courts in the space of 4 pickle ball courts. It wouldn’t be the most efficient use of space.

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You would get 3 tennis courts, being all the pickleball player complain the tennis courts aren’t used it would make sence to me. Beside tennis players don’t like the noise and movement behind them beings tennis is 10 times harder than pickleball and the ball travels 5 times faster.

charmed59 01-03-2019 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1612825)
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You would get 3 tennis courts, being all the pickleball player complain the tennis courts aren’t used it would make sence to me. Beside tennis players don’t like the noise and movement behind them beings tennis is 10 times harder than pickleball and the ball travels 5 times faster.

When I was at Laurel Manor yesterday morning both tennis courts were in use, one pickleball court out of 4 was in use. I’m not sure that area needs less tennis courts and more pickleball courts.

bewall1974 01-03-2019 12:37 PM

Definitely need more pickleball courts. You shouldn't have to wait forever in a line to play. Many tennis courts not being used. Change them over

charmed59 01-03-2019 02:11 PM

If the tennis courts are truely not being used, I agree with you. I’m curious which tennis courts don’t have any reservations on them. Can you tell us where these are?

Topspinmo 01-03-2019 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by charmed59 (Post 1612863)
When I was at Laurel Manor yesterday morning both tennis courts were in use, one pickleball court out of 4 was in use. I’m not sure that area needs less tennis courts and more pickleball courts.

Under my opinion Laurel manner would have 3 tennis courts ( 4 pickle ball courts turned in to 1 tennis court) and saddlebrook would gain 6 pickleball courts refiguring the two tennis courts. Beings they are so close together it would be no inconvenience to either pickleball players or tennis players. Under this concept would gain two pickleball courts all at one location and loose 1 tennis court. But, tennis at laurel manner would gain additional tennis court.

Topspinmo 01-03-2019 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bewall1974 (Post 1612868)
Definitely need more pickleball courts. You shouldn't have to wait forever in a line to play. Many tennis courts not being used. Change them over

There only not being used while you’re their, you can look at the schedule and see when reserved times are, pickleball courts are not full all day long even during snowbird season. IMO tennis and pickleball shouldn’t be beside each other anyway. Especially when the don’t put up windscreen divider’s

CFrance 01-03-2019 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1612673)
Another way to add more pickleball courts would be to add painted pickleball court lines to the tennis courts. Years ago that's what they did in our Michigan community so the little used tennis courts in the area could support the pickleball. Maybe the rec dept. doesn't want to provide the tool to lower the net the couple inches required, but players could get used to the higher net. Or they could leave the tool in the equipment sheds.






Not really the net posts net height aren’t the same, so you would have to have temporary nets and some one to set them up and take them down


Well IMO when you have rec center close there should be either pickleball courts or tennis courts. Example is saddle brook and laurel manor. Saddle brook could make 6 more pickle ball courts out of tennis courts And LAUREL manor could be all tennis courts. So you would get two more pickleball courts and three tennis courts, plus the noise from pickleball would be separated from tennis.

IMO lowering the tennis net height for pickleball would be better than nothing.The posts heights don't factor much in pickleball, and it's only a couple of inches. Tennis nets can sag a couple of inches. TV will never pay to light the courts. Way too much of an expense.


We need another bowling alley too!

graciegirl 01-04-2019 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1612732)
IMO lowering the tennis net height for pickleball would be better than nothing.The posts heights don't factor much in pickleball, and it's only a couple of inches. Tennis nets can sag a couple of inches. TV will never pay to light the courts. Way too much of an expense.


We need another bowling alley too!

Perhaps they are disinclined because lighting the courts would cause noise to nearby homes at bedtime for some?

New Englander 01-04-2019 11:07 AM

Night time pickle-ball would be extremely irritating to the people who live in the vicinity of the courts.

photo1902 01-04-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1613179)
Night time pickle-ball would be extremely irritating to the people who live in the vicinity of the courts.

Absolutely.

JoMar 01-04-2019 01:52 PM

Just passed Manatee......courts were empty

twoplanekid 01-04-2019 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1613218)
Just passed Manatee......courts were empty

Most do not play between 2~4 P.M. because of weather. Too hot or windy. Today, it's now very windy!

Could try lighting at Rohan’s 18 courts as a test but not sure how late in the evenings people would want to venture out.

So, I would hope that they would just build more courts. As the population of The Villages increases, I would assume that more people would want to play pickleball. To relieve pressure on existing courts, I would hope that someone builds more to stay ahead of the demand/curve.

photo1902 01-04-2019 02:05 PM

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Most do not play between 2~4 P.M. because of weather. Too hot or windy. Today, it's now very windy!

You're kidding me, right? So we need more pickleball courts which will sit empty because of heat, wind, etc?

Bogie Shooter 01-04-2019 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1612732)
IMO lowering the tennis net height for pickleball would be better than nothing.The posts heights don't factor much in pickleball, and it's only a couple of inches. Tennis nets can sag a couple of inches. TV will never pay to light the courts. Way too much of an expense.


We need another bowling alley too!

What does TV have to do with bowing alley’s?

Bogie Shooter 01-04-2019 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1613222)
Most do not play between 2~4 P.M. because of weather. Too hot or windy. Today, it's now very windy!

Could try lighting at Rohan’s 18 courts as a test but not sure how late in the evenings people would want to venture out.

So, I would hope that they would just build more courts. As the population of The Villages increases, I would assume that more people would want to play pickleball. To relieve pressure on existing courts, I would hope that someone builds more to stay ahead of the demand/curve.

“Someone builds” , who is someone?

photo1902 01-04-2019 04:58 PM

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“Someone builds” , who is someone?

You know, “them”.

Topspinmo 01-04-2019 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1613076)

Perhaps they are disinclined because lighting the courts would cause noise to nearby homes at bedtime for some?

The lighted tennis courts you have to feed with quarters over there and the courts are right beside 441 along with the pickleball courts. no houses close like everywhere else where every inch used to squeeze in one more house. Now where else in village IMO would appropriate due to housing within ball throw.

Over at these two locations it pretty close to 1/5 mile from housing, plus square noise also. Lights on the tennis courts go out at 10 or 1030 PM if I remember correctly? We both know there not going to do anything extra that don’t have the word golf in it anyway:1rotfl:

Topspinmo 01-04-2019 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1612732)
IMO lowering the tennis net height for pickleball would be better than nothing.The posts heights don't factor much in pickleball, and it's only a couple of inches. Tennis nets can sag a couple of inches. TV will never pay to light the courts. Way too much of an expense.


We need another bowling alley too!

IMO rec enter workers won’t do it, can’t even get them at certain locations to zip tie the wind screen back or blow shrub and palm trash off the courts ( especially the little marbles the fall out of palms planted right beside courts at certain locations, like playing on BBs) (I probably tie off more broken zip ties than they do)

I agree both bowling alley are pretty busy. But, that’s big bucks?

Speaking of bowling the pros will be back to spainish springs around March 22nd. I went last year and seen Pete Weber, Parker Bohn, norm duke, Walter Ray Williams, and more.

Topspinmo 01-04-2019 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1613223)
You're kidding me, right? So we need more pickleball courts which will sit empty because of heat, wind, etc?

Golf courses set empty also, but not reducing them are they, or stop spending loads money them like replacing sand traps that were better here than private or city courses elsewhere. You can make that point about every amenities at certain time of the day.

graciegirl 01-04-2019 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1613313)
Golf courses set empty also, but not reducing them are they, or stop spending loads money them like replacing sand traps that were better here than private or city courses elsewhere. You can make that point about every amenities at certain time of the day.

Sir. The golf courses are in use most time it is light here in The Villages.

Unless they are being redone or fixed.

Topspinmo 01-05-2019 10:51 AM

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Sir. The golf courses are in use most time it is light here in The Villages.

Unless they are being redone or fixed.




See there's that word most. which described about all other functions, but horseshoes, which I rarely see any activity on, but, who am I say replace them with something else. But, it could be come popular again?

graciegirl 01-05-2019 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1611856)
The local paper mentioned that The Villages has 182 pickleball courts, the most of any single location in the world. However, not a single court was added in 2018.

While it looks like twelve new courts at the under construction Everglades regional rec center will be added in 2019, they are a little bit behind the curve in my estimation of the need for courts.

Need more pickleball courts is also a bit negative for a title.

In your opinion we need more pickleball courts.

I ask, is is harder to get a court to play pickleball this January? Is the wait longer than it was a year ago?

kansasr 01-05-2019 01:47 PM

In a word, YES

Goldwingnut 01-05-2019 08:03 PM

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The next pickle ball courts will be at River Bend rec center and Everglades rec center, both currently under construction. They build them ahead of the residents, so the Fenney courts were built and open as Fenney was opening, no more needed until more growth happens.

If you want more courts north of SR44 then you have to convince the AAC and PWAC to built them. The developer is done building amenities north of SR44 and owes none of us anything (yes, what your realtor told you was a lie). If PWAC/AAC agrees to build them then prepare to pay more for your monthly amenities fees as nothing is free.

You'll be hard pressed to win the argument that more courts are needed. Yes, it may be difficult to get court time between 8:00AM and 11:00AM, but in the afternoons I have passed a great many that our empty, play then.

CWGUY 01-05-2019 08:10 PM

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The next pickle ball courts will be at River Bend rec center and Everglades rec center, both currently under construction. They build them ahead of the residents, so the Fenney courts were built and open as Fenney was opening, no more needed until more growth happens.

If you want more courts north of SR44 then you have to convince the AAC and PWAC to built them. The developer is done building amenities north of SR44 and owes none of us anything (yes, what your realtor told you was a lie). If PWAC/AAC agrees to build them then prepare to pay more for your monthly amenities fees as nothing is free.

You'll be hard pressed to win the argument that more courts are needed. Yes, it may be difficult to get court time between 8:00AM and 11:00AM, but in the afternoons I have passed a great many that our empty, play then.

:ho: There you go with facts again! If you keep that up don't be surprised if you get booted off the site. :rolleyes:

Thanks for all that you do. :bigbow:

twoplanekid 01-05-2019 09:55 PM

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:ho: There you go with facts again! If you keep that up don't be surprised if you get booted off the site. :rolleyes:

Thanks for all that you do. :bigbow:

In my very first post on this thread, I said “While it looks like twelve new courts at the under construction Everglades regional rec center will be added in 2019, they are a little bit behind the curve in my estimation of the need for courts.” Hopefully, the six at River Bend will be completed before the end of 2019 as the population is increasing daily.

I understand that the Developer constructs the courts and thus never suggested in my comments anything about new courts above 44.

Two years have gone by before additional courts can be used while TV population has increased by how many thousands of people in those years? From my prospective as a pickleball player and enthusiast, they are a little bit behind the curve.

Those that play pickleball can clearly understand why courts are most active during certain times of the day. I don’t play golf but am happy to support those that enjoy playing that game and am happy to see them continue to build golf courses.

toeser 01-07-2019 08:59 AM

Capacity and usage must vary by village
 
I can't speak to your specific location, but I travel all over the Villages on a frequent basis and I see Pickleball, bocce ball, tennis, and shuffleboard courts wide open with great frequency. I have never had to wait to play Pickleball.

graciegirl 01-07-2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1613614)
In my very first post on this thread, I said “While it looks like twelve new courts at the under construction Everglades regional rec center will be added in 2019, they are a little bit behind the curve in my estimation of the need for courts.” Hopefully, the six at River Bend will be completed before the end of 2019 as the population is increasing daily.

I understand that the Developer constructs the courts and thus never suggested in my comments anything about new courts above 44.

Two years have gone by before additional courts can be used while TV population has increased by how many thousands of people in those years? From my prospective as a pickleball player and enthusiast, they are a little bit behind the curve.

Those that play pickleball can clearly understand why courts are most active during certain times of the day. I don’t play golf but am happy to support those that enjoy playing that game and am happy to see them continue to build golf courses.

GolfWingnut says Fenney has courts. And new ones being built in contiguous villages. That takes care of their area and the areas now occupied have the same amount as they had with the same population. I don't understand your concern.

twoplanekid 01-07-2019 10:56 AM

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GolfWingnut says Fenney has courts. And new ones being buil in contiguous villages. That takes care of their area and the areas now occupied have the same amout as they had with the same population. I don't understand your concern.

Again: Two years have gone by before additional courts can be used while TV population has increased by how many thousands of people in those two years? From my prospective as a pickleball player and enthusiast, they are a little bit behind the curve.

Were the six new courts at Fenney enough to cover two years worth of new pickleballers? I don't think so.

They may be ahead for a time depending on when the announced new courts can be used and what increases in TV population take place before other additional courts are needed. A never ending game to stay ahead or keep up.

graciegirl 01-07-2019 11:14 AM

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Again: Two years have gone by before additional courts can be used while TV population has increased by how many thousands of people in those two years? From my prospective as a pickleball player and enthusiast, they are a little bit behind the curve.

Were the six new courts at Fenney enough to cover two years worth of new pickleballers? I don't think so.

They may be ahead for a time depending on when the announced new courts can be used and what increases in TV population take place before other additional courts are needed. A never ending game to stay ahead or keep up.

I would be interested to hear from people who are having more trouble than they had last year at this time getting courts. Also I imagine that they factor in that pickleball being a more active sport that many people age out of their interest in it.

And the many that are still in casts.

JUST KIDDING.

twoplanekid 01-07-2019 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1614048)
I would be interested to hear from people who are having more trouble than they had last year at this time getting courts. Also I imagine that they factor in that pickleball being a more active sport that many people age out of their interest in it.

And the many that are still in casts.

JUST KIDDING.

Hey, everyone should be an advocate for their favorite sport. The newer areas supposedly are for the more active generation thus more PB players? We will see if that holds true. It’s always fun discussing things with you about our favorite place to be.

Goldwingnut 01-07-2019 11:30 AM

So there are 6 courts currently open in Fenney with 1805 homes scheduled for Fenney, or approximately 1 court for every 301 homes. Of course this is just the Village of Fenney and we now have DeSoto and the start of McClure, once all of CDD12 is built (Fenney, DeSoto, McClure, Linden, Monarch Grove, Marsh Bend, and DeLuna) there were be 3637 homes (per the development agreement with the City of Wildwood). But there are additional pickle ball courts being built; 6 in Riverbend, 12 in Everglades, and 6 more in Water Lilly VRC (Village of De Luna) for a total of 30 pickle ball courts in that section of The Villages south of Sr44 or about 1 court for every 121 homes south of SR44.

The big question is how does that compare to the rest of The Village?

According to Saturday's Daily Sun there are 182 pickle ball courts, if 6 are in Fenney that leaves 176 courts throughout The Village north of SR44. According the the 2019 new comers guide there are 58,406 homes north of SR44. The math says 1 court for every 332 homes north of SR44. With these rations the Fenney courts should support about 1991 homes.

Numbers don't lie, they can be juggled to say many things but in this case the math is very simple. There are more pickle ball courts per home/person in the areas that have been build and will continue to be built for the next 2 years than any other area of The Villages. The population north of SR44 hasn't changed much in the last 18 months (since Fenney area opened) and won't in the foreseeable future (all the growth is now south of SR44).

TwoPlaneKid, the math and the areas of growth in The Villages clearly shows your complaint is without any merit or validity. The courts were clearly built ahead of the population increase you're worried about and are being built in excess of current Villages ratios. They are AHEAD OF THE CURVE not behind it. What do you want? If you want more courts north of SR44 come to the PWAC and AAC meetings and state your case, they are the ones who can make it happen in the completed areas of The Villages.

Then start making your case the the 100,000+ other residents why their amenities rate is going to go up to pay for the new courts.

twoplanekid 01-07-2019 11:46 AM

[QUOTE=Goldwingnut;1614052]So there are 6 courts currently open in Fenney with 1805 homes scheduled for Fenney, or approximately 1 court for every 301 homes. Of course this is just the Village of Fenney and we now have DeSoto and the start of McClure,

Well, according to your figures they are behind at the moment. :icon_wink:

"Two years have gone by before additional courts can be used while TV population has increased by how many thousands of people in those two years? From my prospective as a pickleball player and enthusiast, they are a little bit behind the curve."

wayneman 01-07-2019 01:44 PM

Rohan, no houses around. New Everglades rec center. They will have softball there also.
So lights are very possible. Getting John Rohan to do it is near impossible.

CWGUY 01-07-2019 01:55 PM

:read: Urban Dictionary: Curmudgeon :ho:

Goldwingnut 01-07-2019 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wayneman (Post 1614089)
Rohan, no houses around. New Everglades rec center. They will have softball there also.
So lights are very possible. Getting John Rohan to do it is near impossible.

John Rohan is constrained by budgets for this and all the other recreation facilities, it's not that he doesn't want to do what the residents want but if there is no money in the budget for it, it's not going to happen. That is why PWAC and AAC are involved, they set the budgets. The budget process starts for next year in February. Come and give you opinion and put your request in, it would be a first in 5 years that any resident came to a PWAC budget meeting, and asking for something to be added to the budget has yet to happen.

Yes there are no homes directly adjacent to the Rohan Rec Center, yet. The same logic can applied to Colony Rec Center, there are no home near it. Osceola Hills is very near by Rohan and the Village of Chitty Chatty is coming out the ground very quickly on the south side of SR44.


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