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CFrance 02-21-2024 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2303775)
This sounds like the start of a bad movie. Water spraying the dog, shoveling bagging and moving poop, pepper spraying the dog, calling the DPP (Dog Poop Police). Seems like that is a sure way to escalate the issue.

Are you the only neighbor having an issue with this neighbor? It's only been a month since he moved in. Any chance of resolution? Perhaps the initial confrontation and their moving in stress created a barrier. Have you/the neighbors welcomed the new neighbor. You mentioned that their property is not in deed compliance and it sounds like you are blaming them for something that they bought into.

Before this goes too far, try putting yourself in their shoes. Perhaps they came from a totally different environment where animal control was not an issue. If possible, help them adapt.

Is a start over an option?

There is absolutely no excuse for sending your dog outside to do its business in somebody else's yard. None. Forget where they came from. It's a given that you don't trespass on another person's property for any reason.
OP might be the only one having an issue with this neighbor simply because he/she is the one directly behind the people who are letting their dog out loose.
"Help them adapt" my dog tush. They've already tried.

fdpaq0580 02-21-2024 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2303730)
How did we get from dog poop to water meter placement?

You may need to start from the beginning. Good luck!

fdpaq0580 02-21-2024 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2303755)
You are wrong. I only pay taxes on the property that I own, which is the property inside the property line as defined by the property survey. The property survey states that the property outside of the property line is a right of way, not an easement. If I owned property outside of the property line, and they wanted to widen the road, they would need to buy that property from me. You said the property to the street was an easement, but the official survey clearly states that it is a "right of way", not an easement. Property ownership is defined by a property line, not by a right of way or an easement.

You misunderstand. There is an area that shows right of way that has grantee equipment either over it, like phone lines or power lines,or below ground, like phone or power lines, water lines sewer, etc. The land/yard is yours, but as part of the development of the community a grantee has equipment either over, under, or sitting in your yard that they may need to access for repair or maintenance. Where the lines,cables, pipes run is right of way. Where the light post, telephone post, street sign, power box or cable box physically sit is easement.
The area labeled right of way likely has grantee equipment buryed below. You own the lawn and the driveway right to the sidewalk or curb/street.
From a property perspective, you own more than you thought.

retiredguy123 02-22-2024 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2303781)
You misunderstand. There is an area that shows right of way that has grantee equipment either over it, like phone lines or power lines,or below ground, like phone or power lines, water lines sewer, etc. The land/yard is yours, but as part of the development of the community a grantee has equipment either over, under, or sitting in your yard that they may need to access for repair or maintenance. Where the lines,cables, pipes run is right of way. Where the light post, telephone post, street sign, power box or cable box physically sit is easement.
The area labeled right of way likely has grantee equipment buryed below. You own the lawn and the driveway right to the sidewalk or curb/street.
From a property perspective, you own more than you thought.

I didn't misunderstand anything. My property line is located 7 feet from the edge of the street pavement. I own the land from that line to the back of my property, nothing more. From the front lot line to the street is public property with a right of way. I think you misunderstood.

Sully2023 02-22-2024 07:06 AM

Dog poop in your yard
 
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Originally Posted by CarlR33 (Post 2303278)
You said you told them to keep the dog in their yard but did you ask about the poop being left behind? If you already opened up lines of communication then maybe offer to buy the first box of poop bags when you deliver the first bag of poop to them. If that fails bag up the poop and throw it on their door step as your explanation would be you do not want to stink up your trash can and garage (assuming that is where you keep the can?). Sad in this day that something as simple as a neighbor not listening to reasoning can start a neighbor war.

I got a crazy idea -put up a sign that states: I hired a company to pick up your dog’s mess - I’ll send you the monthly bill.

asianthree 02-22-2024 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 2303773)
Pairadocs, I'm interested to know where this happens. It boggles my mind.
Is it a newer area south of 44, or just north, like Pinellas?
We've lived in Tamarind Grove sine 2012 and have almost never had a problem with people not picking up after their dogs. Twice, but we tracked it down to a visitor.
People on TOTV keep bringing this up, though, so I'm curious to know where it is happening.

For us it wa the same with more than 20 plus dogs per day using our corner lawn. So that would be Mallory, Pennacamp, Fernandina, Hemingway.

It’s not just about picking up it’s the 10-20 dogs who stop on their way out on their walk and then stop again on the return urinating on other peoples yard. Plus lawn guys quit because of the dog park effect of those who choose to just walk away. And yes we had 6 cameras to capture every event. With most saying it’s an easement not your lawn …Those four houses were the last time we bought a corner lot in TV.

It happen more than you think in every neighborhood, you just don’t notice

rherb55 02-22-2024 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hifred (Post 2303100)
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?

You shouldn’t have to step in 💩 on your own property…. So if they’re not picking it up, I would scoop it up & bring it back to them and if that doesn’t work call the Sheriff. They are suppose to be on a leash…..
Good luck with dealing with IGNORANCE.

Velvet 02-22-2024 08:56 AM

The new neighbors I mentioned on a previous thread are now at Mallory for several months now. They used to just let their two dogs out and (they are previous Villagers) so people got to know them not by their name but as …. We have many social events here, from driveway parties to neighbors taking you to places to home invitations etc etc. These people were invited nowhere by anyone. No one bothered to even find out their names. Now it is a few months later and the change is quite amazing. The two dogs stay on their veranda, they still bark a bit much but even that is improving. And now the couple is included in the community. I am glad for them because I have the best, most helpful, friendliest and giving neighbors (nearly every one of them has a dog) a person could want. And I am glad that the new people are part of the community now too.

It is possible to change behavior, it may take a concentrated effort.

tophcfa 02-22-2024 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2303220)
The sprinkler idea sounds good to me. :smiley:

Depends on the dog, Labs love playing in a sprinkler.

asianthree 02-22-2024 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sully2023 (Post 2303813)
I got a crazy idea -put up a sign that states: I hired a company to pick up your dog’s mess - I’ll send you the monthly bill.

Actually there was a,post from a new resident who is handicapped, chair bound, and pays a company to pick up in the back of CYV of their dogs, and the deposit from other people in the front. She was so bewildered as to why anyone would allow their dog in anyone yard.

Jhrath7@gmail.com 02-22-2024 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hifred (Post 2303100)
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?

Spread red pepper along the edge of your property and the dog will ignore your lawn

Velvet 02-22-2024 09:11 AM

The motion sprinkler suddenly turns on with a startling noise then the water unexpectedly comes out in bursts. No animal likes it, but it also doesn’t harm them in anyway. I have never tried it against dogs, up north it is used to keep wild possibly rabid animals away.

fdpaq0580 02-22-2024 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sully2023 (Post 2303813)
I got a crazy idea -put up a sign that states: I hired a company to pick up your dog’s mess - I’ll send you the monthly bill.

You hire the company! Guess who is responsible for the bill? Nice idea though.

fdpaq0580 02-22-2024 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2303783)
I didn't misunderstand anything. My property line is located 7 feet from the edge of the street pavement. I own the land from that line to the back of my property, nothing more. From the front lot line to the street is public property with a right of way. I think you misunderstood.

Have it your way. It isn't worth arguing over. But if I don't own property, I would remove any sprinkler lines attached to my water system, and wouldn't use my money to water, feed, or maintain it. Let the complaints come and they will be referred to the CDD. Enjoy you day in TV. Think of the money I will save.

fdpaq0580 02-22-2024 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2303762)
According to Florida law (in general);

Rights-of-way are for travel purposes across the land, such as a driveway or a walkway. They do not allow you to use the land for any other reasons. (And also you need to know who has the right of way, it is not the general public).
The law offices of Justin McMurray

Retired-123 seems to have a unique situation if his lot markers are where he thinks they are.

golfnut 02-22-2024 10:28 AM

Its not the dogs fault, its the owner . Report them.

Bill14564 02-22-2024 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2303927)
Retired-123 seems to have a unique situation if his lot markers are where he thinks they are.

Not all that unique.

Some make assertions about property lines they are not familiar with - I have my Site Plan drawings and information from the Property Appraiser office. I know which of these I trust to be more accurate.

mraines 02-22-2024 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hifred (Post 2303100)
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?

I'm not usually a nasty person but if they are that rude and ignorant, I would pick up the poop and put it right outside their door so they can step in it. I hate people walking their dogs on my lawn. I have a dog and she does not go on other people's lawns.

Robojo 02-22-2024 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hifred (Post 2303100)
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?

I would ask them to get an invisible fence with a shock collar to keep him in the yard. My neighbor did that and its wonderful.

lpkruege1 02-22-2024 12:02 PM

Toss it back
 
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Originally Posted by Hifred (Post 2303100)
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?

It's their dog pop. Toss it back over to their yard. Their driveway or front porch would be a great place to start.

fdpaq0580 02-22-2024 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Robojo (Post 2303958)
I would ask them to get an invisible fence with a shock collar to keep him in the yard. My neighbor did that and its wonderful.

They probably like that their dog craps in the neighbors yard. Why spend the money to please the victim and have to clean up the dogs mess?

fdpaq0580 02-22-2024 12:37 PM

If OP is over 60, how about calling crimes against seniors to see if they can or will help. Dog off leash, continual dumping of raw sewage on victims property, causing emotional harm from continued abuse, creating a potential health hazard, and more. They can help him to get a cease and desist order and a restraining order.

Or, I could call a guy they used to call "the magician" who could make "problems" dissappear. 😏

jimjamuser 02-22-2024 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hifred (Post 2303100)
Is there legal recourse to this issue.... We have owned our house since 2019 and have had wonderful neighbors. In January of this year, after a neighbor behind us passed, his house sold. The new neighbors continually let their dog out to come poop in my yard. I have respectfully asked them to keep the dog in their yard but it isn't happening. I have walked in dog poop more times than I can count and am tired of it. I have cameras in the back of my house so I have video. I am curious if there is anything that can be done? They have the whole front of their house and they could take the dog out to the front of their house but they don't. It is not just the dog who is in my yard they come in my yard as well when they let the dog out. BTW their property is not in deed compliance but I have never filed a complaint because I have always gotten along well with my neighbors but my patience is wearing thin. Any thoughts?

You say that the dog owners walk into your yard uninvited. That is downright un-neighborly. They say that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but a Red Rider BB gun used covertly might be an option. The BBs are traveling at low velocity and if it hit the dog in the rear end, it would not break the skin. Other options would be to throw fireworks or set up mouse traps, which would snap and startle the dog. A small air horn like used to scare bears away could startle the dog. And dogs have very sensitive hearing. A water cannon with a little bit of ammonia in it might work. Use of bear spray would keep it away.
.........The is also products sold at hardware stores that the smell keeps deer and raccoons away. It has a name like "critter-ritter".

fdpaq0580 02-22-2024 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2303975)
You say that the dog owners walk into your yard uninvited. That is downright un-neighborly. They say that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but a Red Rider BB gun used covertly might be an option. The BBs are traveling at low velocity and if it hit the dog in the rear end, it would not break the skin. Other options would be to throw fireworks or set up mouse traps, which would snap and startle the dog. A small air horn like used to scare bears away could startle the dog. And dogs have very sensitive hearing. A water cannon with a little bit of ammonia in it might work. Use of bear spray would keep it away.
.........The is also products sold at hardware stores that the smell keeps deer and raccoons away. It has a name like "critter-ritter".

I like the BB gun. For the dog owner, not the dog. The air horn would also startle all the other neighbors in the area.
Also, OP said the neighbor "let their dog out". Dog must be off leash, I think.

Dusty_Star 02-22-2024 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2303975)
You say that the dog owners walk into your yard uninvited. That is downright un-neighborly. They say that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but a Red Rider BB gun used covertly might be an option. The BBs are traveling at low velocity and if it hit the dog in the rear end, it would not break the skin. Other options would be to throw fireworks or set up mouse traps, which would snap and startle the dog. A small air horn like used to scare bears away could startle the dog. And dogs have very sensitive hearing. A water cannon with a little bit of ammonia in it might work. Use of bear spray would keep it away.
.........The is also products sold at hardware stores that the smell keeps deer and raccoons away. It has a name like "critter-ritter".

These are all cruel options targeting the dog, when clearly it is the owner at fault. Additionally, these would not solve the problem, the solution lies with the negligent owner.

Taltarzac725 02-22-2024 01:00 PM

Vandalism is what in some cases is being described as well as trespassing. I am not talking about the dog walker but about people taking action directed at the dog owner and their house.

fdpaq0580 02-22-2024 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2303986)
These are all cruel options targeting the dog, when clearly it is the owner at fault. Additionally, these would not solve the problem, the solution lies with the negligent owner.

And how do you recommend getting the negligent owner to respect the OP's property? That is the question. Simply voicing one's displeasure hasn't worked. What is OP's next move?
The problem is (almost) always the owner.

Velvet 02-22-2024 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2303974)
If OP is over 60, how about calling crimes against seniors to see if they can or will help. Dog off leash, continual dumping of raw sewage on victims property, causing emotional harm from continued abuse, creating a potential health hazard, and more. They can help him to get a cease and desist order and a restraining order.

Or, I could call a guy they used to call "the magician" who could make "problems" dissappear. 😏

I know one of those guys too, but would never consider it. I mean perhaps if someone murdered my daughter… there are much simpler, even friendly ways.

The nuisance people tend to get run out of the neighborhood eventually. One was run out from the historic area - she was pretty off to upset those liberal minded neighbors. And the other from the newer northern part near 301.

fdpaq0580 02-22-2024 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2304006)
I know one of those guys too, but would never consider it. I mean perhaps if someone murdered my daughter… there are much simpler, even friendly ways.

The nuisance people tend to get run out of the neighborhood eventually. One was run out from the historic area - she was pretty off to upset those liberal minded neighbors. And the other from the newer northern part near 301.

Oh! You actually know one of "those guys ". I was only joking, hence the emoji.

Velvet 02-22-2024 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2304008)
Oh! You actually know one of "those guys ". I was only joking, hence the emoji.

Yes, we met at the gym, he is a champion kick boxer. He wanted to learn to speak English and was from my native country. After some time he told me what he did for a living. My response was to invite him to mass on Sunday. He had never been to church. He is back home now and with my encouragement he is out of that job and running a gym himself and breeding and showing American Staffs internationally.

fdpaq0580 02-22-2024 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2304010)
Yes, we met at the gym, he is a champion kick boxer. He wanted to learn to speak English and was from my native country. After some time he told me what he did for a living. My response was to invite him to mass on Sunday. He had never been to church. He is back home now and with my encouragement he is out of that job and running a gym himself and breeding and showing American Staffs internationally.

Great! Your friendship may have saved a life.

Long ago, in a life I hardly remember, was very good friends with former president of a Hells Angel's chapter. A wonderful, friendly, generous and kind fellow to my wife and I. Pretty sure not everyone shared our opinion of him or his wife. But, we treat others the way we would like to be treated. Works for us.

Topspinmo 02-22-2024 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2303822)
For us it wa the same with more than 20 plus dogs per day using our corner lawn. So that would be Mallory, Pennacamp, Fernandina, Hemingway.

It’s not just about picking up it’s the 10-20 dogs who stop on their way out on their walk and then stop again on the return urinating on other peoples yard. Plus lawn guys quit because of the dog park effect of those who choose to just walk away. And yes we had 6 cameras to capture every event. With most saying it’s an easement not your lawn …Those four houses were the last time we bought a corner lot in TV.

It happen more than you think in every neighborhood, you just don’t notice


I think you need more cameras :eclipsee_gold_cup:

Topspinmo 02-22-2024 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2303658)
Fictional scenario designed, apparently, to dissuade folks from taking necessary legal steps for protecting themselves and their property from abuse.


Please explain why you have experience to make a claim or I can say fictional delusion.

Topspinmo 02-22-2024 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2303975)
You say that the dog owners walk into your yard uninvited. That is downright un-neighborly. They say that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but a Red Rider BB gun used covertly might be an option. The BBs are traveling at low velocity and if it hit the dog in the rear end, it would not break the skin. Other options would be to throw fireworks or set up mouse traps, which would snap and startle the dog. A small air horn like used to scare bears away could startle the dog. And dogs have very sensitive hearing. A water cannon with a little bit of ammonia in it might work. Use of bear spray would keep it away.
.........The is also products sold at hardware stores that the smell keeps deer and raccoons away. It has a name like "critter-ritter".

I highly doubt shooting bbs guns in villages is allowed at resident outside.

Have you ever been shot with BB gun?

BBs are hard to find once penetration. That would be considered animal cruelty and you would probably get arrested.

fdpaq0580 02-22-2024 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2304041)
Please explain why you have experience to make a claim or I can say fictional delusion.

Just didn't sound realistic to me. Did it all actually happen?

JMintzer 02-22-2024 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 2303773)
Pairadocs, I'm interested to know where this happens. It boggles my mind.
Is it a newer area south of 44, or just north, like Pinellas?
We've lived in Tamarind Grove sine 2012 and have almost never had a problem with people not picking up after their dogs. Twice, but we tracked it down to a visitor.
People on TOTV keep bringing this up, though, so I'm curious to know where it is happening.

I know... I've never seen a "dog walker" with a pack of dogs on leashes...

JMintzer 02-22-2024 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2303975)
You say that the dog owners walk into your yard uninvited. That is downright un-neighborly. They say that 2 wrongs don't make a right, but a Red Rider BB gun used covertly might be an option. The BBs are traveling at low velocity and if it hit the dog in the rear end, it would not break the skin. Other options would be to throw fireworks or set up mouse traps, which would snap and startle the dog. A small air horn like used to scare bears away could startle the dog. And dogs have very sensitive hearing. A water cannon with a little bit of ammonia in it might work. Use of bear spray would keep it away.
.........The is also products sold at hardware stores that the smell keeps deer and raccoons away. It has a name like "critter-ritter".

Unbelievable...

CFrance 02-22-2024 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2303822)
For us it wa the same with more than 20 plus dogs per day using our corner lawn. So that would be Mallory, Pennacamp, Fernandina, Hemingway.

It’s not just about picking up it’s the 10-20 dogs who stop on their way out on their walk and then stop again on the return urinating on other peoples yard. Plus lawn guys quit because of the dog park effect of those who choose to just walk away. And yes we had 6 cameras to capture every event. With most saying it’s an easement not your lawn …Those four houses were the last time we bought a corner lot in TV.

It happen more than you think in every neighborhood, you just don’t notice

Sorry, it's not happening in our neighborhood. And I'm all over it every day with my dogs. Maybe people in Tamarind Grove are more responsible.

Taltarzac725 02-22-2024 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2304042)
I highly doubt shooting bbs guns in villages is allowed at resident outside.

Have you ever been shot with BB gun?

BBs are hard to find once penetration. That would be considered animal cruelty and you would probably get arrested.

I have. As a teen a very disturbed "friend" aimed a BB gun at my eyes. I had been fooled to come into the house so that X could show me something by Y. X then picked up a BB gun and aimed it at my face. I told him that shooting between my fingers would be harder than hitting my eye. He, fortunately, took that suggestion but missed and put a BB into my left pinky. The bone stopped it but for some reason I did not feel anything.

The Reno, Nevada kid was soon in a mental ward or whatever they had back in the early 1970s for kids with profound problems as Y probably told his parents as well as Y's parents told X's parents.

I squeezed my pinky and BB flew out on the way home. I told my parents I got my finger stuck on barb wire but doubt if they believed me as I did not gave to get a shot for possibly infection.

BBs can take eyes out easily. And will penetrate a stomach wall. Dog at dog park I go to on occasion had a lot of BBs still inside it and hated kids as that was who shot him full of BBs. The dog owners would need to quickly get a leash on the poor dog whenever a kid entered the dog park. They would have had a good amount of time to do that from where they usually sat at the dog park as they could seen who was coming in and would have had a few minutes to get the dog under control.

I did research the present X who is a Reno businessman.

Velvet 02-22-2024 08:01 PM

Why, why, why would anybody harm an obedient dog? That is just following the owner’s expectations?


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