I think these rules make sense - they prevent flipping, which is good for all of us in terms of the stability of the market (IMHO)

Love that thought

Buffalo Jim, It seems that Country Club memberships are way down in my hometown and surrounding towns and it is not because of the economy. I think that the younger generation are not interested or do not have the time to dedicate to golf. Today both parents have full time jobs and spend Saturdays doing yard work, kids sports games, laundry, and in the supermarket. No way are the wives going to let husbands spend the day golfing. Times have changed and they are not going to take it anymore.LOL

Buffalo Jim: The developer turned over the reigns of all the villages north of 466 a long, long time ago and has had nothing to do with running that portion of The Villages.

The developer will ultimately be selling the residents all the recreation facilities that he still owns, south of 466 and 466A.

If you have all these concerns, attend the next district meeting and ask some questions. And by all means, plan on attending Mark Morse's state of The Villages speech next month.

Thank you . First and foremost I recognize that my comments are way way off the main topic however I apologize to all upfront but find myself unable to hold back a retort to one of your major points :

I do agree that " times have changed " however this was a very " family friendly Club . Friday evenings offered a couples 9 hole social experience . The true " golfing season " was basically from Memorial Day thru Labor Day due to the climate .

The course Opened depending on conditions between May 1st and May 15th and the Flags were pulled out at the end of September .
Add to the limited season a number of rainy weekends and the number of golfing days or weekends were quite restricted .



SORRY FOR THE HUGE GAP -- I do not know how to alter it so please see below .



Sundays after 2Pm was reserved for " family golfing ".
The Mom`s often enjoyed spending time at the pool with their children . Working Mom`s often arranged for their Child Care providers to take the children to the pool . Very often Dad`s and Mom`s would gather at the pool with their children after working and relax with a light dinner at the pool .
I am sorry but I do not follow your " they are not going to take it anymore " remark . Those who were members of the medical profession usually golfed on Wednesday afternoons .
Often men would golf 9 holes right after work and meet their families at the pool . Most active golfing men would begin at 7 AM and would finish by 11 AM on saturday or Sunday which even enabled them to make Church Services . And / or enjoy Sunday or Saturday afternoon at the pool with their families .
Business Golf usually would take place on Wednesday or Thursday from 1PM and finish at 5PM during the week . Again it was very common for families to then gather for dinner the same evening .
So forgive me but I fail to see your point . It strikes me as sexist , narrow minded and even mean spirited , anti-male and unfair to the many many fine men I knew who valued their family time as well as the very very limited golf season in an area like Buffalo , NY. These fellows were not working 9 to 5 by any means .
By 4PM on Saturday or Sunday the course was wide open . Keep in mind that many of the spouses of the male Members did not work , had regular house keepers and often regular help with child care as well . Just saying .
Finally when an organization / community becomes too narrow focused on narrowing costs to " the quick " often something is lost which takes away from the quality of that institution or Community . I was referencing all of the complaints on this site related to cost of operating Community Watch , Fire- Dept Emergency response and even the complaints about the periodic change out of the flowers .
I was attempting in my related posts to point out that the annual savings to be derived by eliminating the amenities in question would be fail a rational cost/benefit test at best .

By all means go listen to this very smart man, Mark Morse.

I know these restrictions seem difficult for you, but it's good for The Villages. We sure don't need speculators buying and selling over and over. We want people who really want to live here and make the town their "home".

Jan : Thank you for your post . My attempt in my admitted " tome " and some might feel " rant ". Comes from the many recent posts on this site alleging the large sums of money are " wasted " on certain amenities which they have cited .
My admittedly somewhat " obtuse " example of a Country Club which " shot itself in both feet " for the sake of a few dollars per Member is that once the regions are fully handed over by the Developer ---- BRACE YOURSELF --- because as often happens the tyranny of the minority will take precedent over the majority in order to effect a very small dollar amount of expense savings per household .
So far no one has demonstrated Math to the con tray of what I have pointed out concerning their collective spoken / posted desires to eliminate Community Watch , Fire Dept Emergency [ non-fire ]and even the periodic change out of flowers .
Unfortunately I lack the ability to more briefly and concisely make my case .
That said I still believe that their are lessons to be considered from the downward impact of a Club Board that exhibited very short-sighted decisions .
Sincerely , Buffalo Jim

Like the man says.."You always have two choices. To pass or to play". If you don't like the deal they are offering you're always free to buy something else.

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Not fishy at all, maybe in the old days it was different, when we bought in late 2005 we had the same, prior to that you could make 50-70 thousand in a year and they wanted to stop the speculators.

Sorry, but the OP is referring to NEW construction. In Ma, NEW over 55 requires deposit plus remainder to equal 20% at time of P&S. That is non-refundable even thou it is under construction. One needs to get a mortgage commitment not pre-qualification (my mistake) before giving any deposit. Also, one has to worry about the builder going bankrupt. Don't think that will EVER happen in TV. As far as resales, the deposit is non-refundable once the P&S is signed.

Resales are pretty much handled here like they are handled anywhere. The deposit on a new home is/was held, sometimes for years and kept open as the new areas moved. I think the developers were pretty flexible.


The stipulations on resales are up to the sellers just like everywhere with some Florida State differences as you know about property tax being paid ahead or behind and by the mortgage provider. I am not a home seller. I am just a home buyer and we have had many real estate transactions in the past and built more than a half dozen new homes over time and the two new ones we bought here were the smoothest and easiest and best in our lives as far as processes and procedures and warranty being honored.


I know the local realtors are always in a hissy fit about the Morses not letting them sell new homes but I wouldn't either if I were them. It is what it is. I think a lot of negative posting against the developers come from anonymous disgruntled local realtors. Just my opinion.

ONCE AGAIN. The OP was referring to NEW construction. And I was commenting on his post.

So many posters in this and other threads give their uneucated opinions about legal matters that disserve newbies looking for help.

Absent a violation of pertinent law, contracting parties can come to any agreement that they both agree upon. If you sign the contract , that is evidence of your concurrence and you are bound. Exception would be violation of a law or regulation.

If you actually read the contract and dom't like the provisions, you should not sign(accept)

I used to watch Boston Legal. Lots of good advice.

I’m with you Gracie. I can understand the self-serving negative posts from realtors. What I have a really hard time with are all the resident haters of the developer. Is it personal? When my wife and I saw this place for the very first time we were blown away. There are so few places that are anywhere close to the uniqueness of The Villages. We had no issues regarding the conditions upon purchasing a new home.

These detractors seem very unhappy about their situation here in TV. Did their initial love for TV change as a result of something the developer did? Is the developer continuing to hurt these people? Is there a developer out there that could do a better job? Is the developer just too darned successful? Is he a capitalist? Their anger is very apparent.

I was checking to see if there were any old posts as to the perils of Santa Clause. The man just doesn’t get it. He continues to put smiles on the faces of so many that there just has to be an ulterior motive. This, of course, makes some people really angry.

PS Pass the Kool-Aid

Oh, I agree 100%....to the Haters, you have many options one is to move!