Here here!

I think that the straw that broke the camel’s back was when the developer pulled the rug out from under the American Cancer Society’s Relay for Life event at the last minute and initially hid behind a lame excuse about the field needing some kind of scheduled maintenance without offering an alternative location in TV.

Eventually a proclamation was issued by “The King” banning all future charitable events in TV that would not benefit the Moffitt Center.

What unmitigated gall for him to feel that he can dictate what charitable events can be held in your own community.

EdVinMass,
You are so right. I want to make contributions to help the family as they bully out Relay for Life.
They only have 3 jets and one yacht that I know of...they need more money from us.

Did any of you read the excellent column written in the Sun from the founder of Relay for Life a week or so ago? He threw his support behind the Moffitt Center instead of the American Cancer Society. Folks, this is a LOCAL thing that will benefit US in The Villages.

The American Cancer Society is nationwide and is mainly research. It is important but I want something local. The Cancer Society would not participate with the Moffitt Center. My wife tried to get assistance from the American Cancer Society for her sister. No assistance of any kind was given.

Once again, people, giving money to the Moffitt Center is 100% voluntary. If you do not want to donate, don't donate. Send your donations to the American Cancer Society, Salvation Army, local food banks, PETA, or whatever you want. If you do not want to donate to any cause, no one is going to know. Charitable donations are entirely up to yourself.

You have made and affirmed stunning and disturbing allegations. Could you share with us the source of the "banning all future charitable events in TV that would not benefit the Moffitt Center" assertion.

Is it in writing? A source citation or link would be appreciated.

Thank you.

How would we feel if Oxford required that half of all money raised in the Relay for Life this year had to be donated to charity in Oxford?

Sonny Resmondo is a Vice President of something or other for The Villages. Of course he's going to throw his support behind his employer's project.

Follow the Money
 

Sonny Resmondo is Project manager for The Villages. The other contributor supporting the developer in the Daily Sun was Evan Richards, The Villages Health System Auxiliary fundraiser chairman and VHA vice president. Do you think they felt obligated to support Moffitt/Morse???

The monies raised by Evan's auxiliary of The Villages Health System was "donated" to The Villages Health System - can anyone appreciate the irony in that?

Other than renting the building to CFHA how come you keep putting Morse in the picture. This is a CFHA thing with Moffitt and to my knowledge Morse (or any other family member) has no financial control of CFHA.

Am I missing something?

In one of the responses to the allegations that TV had in fact attempted to strong arm the ACS for half the proceeds, a TV spokesperson stated that all of TV’s efforts would now be focused on Moffitt.

That’s their ‘market speak’ for saying that they will be controlling fund raising events until the Moffitt goal is reached.

Can’t put my finger on a link just now. Anybody else remember where it appeared?

This is what the American Cancer Society does according to Wikipedia. Only 14% for research. ...They are closing in on the BBB 35% limit.

From Wikipedia: The society’s allocation of funds for the fiscal year ending August 31, 2005 lists 70% of funds for Program Services (Research 14%, Prevention 20%, Patient Support 20%, Detection and Treatment 16%). The remaining 30% are allocated for supporting services (Fundraising 22%, and Management, General administration 8%) meeting the Better Business Bureau's Standards for Charity Accountability (At least 65% to program services and no more than 35% to overhead and fundraising expenses).[7]

Yes it's nice to barely be above the lowest acceptable level!:shrug:

22% for fund raising shows what I've been saying in all these threads - fund raising is a dog eat dog game. I've seen it in person when doing work for the United Way. Yes, they do good with the other 70% but make no mistake about it - the people at the top don't live on PB & J sandwiches. To them it's all BUSINESS. They make their money by directing limited charity dollars to themselves.

We keep Morse in the picture because Morse put himself squarely in the picture. When we were first told of the "donation" of the land and building, it wasn't being done by CFHA, the land and building came directly from the developer and was touted as such. Yes, the money received for the Moffitt Center is going into a charitable fund but there seems to be a lot of secrecy as to who is in charge of the funds, including how the distributions will ultimately go, who will be in charge of the distributions, etc. When I asked at the office in LSL, I was told it would be decided by the "committee." When I asked who was on the committee, I was told it hadn't yet been decided. Would at least one member of the Morse family be on this committee and, if so, who -- I was ushered out the door since I was obviously against a cancer center being built here and I should be ashamed of myself! HUH???

Whether we like it or not, the Morse family pretty much has its finger in every pie in TV. I sincerely doubt there is one decision made here that is not approved by someone in the family. They've worked too hard to build this community the way they want it to be (which is not saying it isn't a good thing) and that's not going to change regardless of any changes the residents want.

Assuming Wikipedia's numbers are correct, what is your point? It appears that the American Cancer Society is within the BBB guidelines.

Can you give us comparable numbers for the Central Florida Health Alliance, The Villages Health System, and Villages Health System Foundation? More importantly, can you tell us what the Developer's financial stake is in the Moffitt fund-raising drive?

Yes I understand that but, correct me if I'm wrong, the equipment to be purchased will be property of CFHA. Yes? And if so how would Morse, other than renting the property, receive any direct financial benefit? Of course there is indirect financial benefit promoting TV etc but that is why any business gets recruited to TV.

My point is that 20% for fund raising is high. http://www.charitynavigator.org/ For example: The Central Florida United way is 6.5% for fund raising with 86% to services. Susan G. Komen for the Cure (Breast Cancer) is 6% and 84%. I will guarantee you that CFHA, since their business in medicine not fund raising, will be nowhere near that number either but they are not a charity so they are not listed.

And I can't tell you what the Developer's stake is other than renting the building (and that amount must be small in the whole scheme of their commercial entities). And so far not one other person including Ritchie has indicated what the money connection might be. I'd like that answer as well but my guess is that Morse's connection is indirect money by making TV more attractive etc. The amount to be raised (6m?) is small change to Morse.

Russ, I honestly have no clue how much money the Morses will ultimately make from this deal. That they will make money is a given. They are good businessmen and it would be dumb to not make money out of this deal. That they would lie to and basically bully TVers to get the necessary funding is the issue.

I always thought that TV-Moffitt was, has been and is more of an ego thing -- why should Leesburg get a Moffitt Center and not TV? Yes, it will be great advertising to say that a major cancer center has an affiliate on TV grounds, but I honestly think that is but a small part of it. I think it is the status and I'd be seriously surprised if TV-Moffitt wasn't up and running before Leesburg-Moffitt.

The Morses will make a nice profit on the lease of the "donated" property. I'm sure that if we dig deep enough, we can find a direct connection between CFHA and the Morses, but why bother? They more than have a right to be affiliated with CFHA, both the CFHA Company and CFHA, Inc. -- they are an integral part TV's hospital and, thus, CFHA. Their making a profit is not the issue (at least not to me). It's the lying, the greed, the arrogance.

Agreed - but people keep insinuating that there must be some $$ deal between Moffitt, CFHA and Morse. Can't believe that the small sq. footage to be leased is a very high percentage of the overall lease space TV has. My point is that it is ALL business. On the part of CFHA, Moffitt, Morse, the other radiation center and even the American Cancer Society (when it comes to Relay money). They all want a piece of the pie.

But yes I don't like being lied to either. But I think the only provable lie so far has been the comment about donating the new building. Have there been others? (and please post a direct link to show the rest of us, don't just say it.)

I'm trying to be open minded about this without picking any side. But for the most part I just keep seeing innuendos. Neither Ritchie or the POA article had any real answers. Yes, sometimes where there is smoke there is fire but I'll look for final answers not just more questions. To make accusations like I've been reading I'll need real proof.

Hey folks,

Instead of griping about money that the Morse family is going to earn from this venture - celebrate that you will have a top-notch cancer facility LOCALLY.

You are not going to have to drive to Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Gainesville, or even Leesburg. It is going to be local.

There is always the possibility that the Morse family will get tired of the griping and accusations and pull the plug on the whole deal. Would you celebrate that as a victory? I wouldn't.

Tbugs, yes, I would celebrate it as a victory if Moffitt Center was pulled from TV, at least if we can't get straight answers and we're left with feeling that the entire thing is built on lies. Leesburg will have one and would actually be closer to those in the southern part of TV than TV-Moffitt would be. We're not talking of having to drive to Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, Gainesville or any great distance. We're talking Leesburg! Sorry, I do consider that local even though not golf cart accessible (and, having gone through chemo, the last thing I want to do is take a drive in a golf cart after treatment).

My sentiments.....exactly!!

Whose responsibility to inform or be informed?
 

As a retired physician, I have followed the Moffitt Cancer Center odyssey for months. We are all of an age at which we have experienced a great deal in our lives. There are many sources of information and "spin" out there. The developer has no responsibility to fully inform consumers of every detail of this business venture. The consumer (donor) can choose to donate or not. If you feel you have been misled, you could have investigated further through the internet.

Follow the Money
 

Are you saying it is OK for the developer to mislead Villagers in order to get donations for the Moffitt affiliate? Then I guess it's OK for a physician to order unnecessary procedures for a patient because they should have investigated further through the internet.

Lying is lying
 

Well said.

Follow the Money
 

Yes, CFHA has nothing to do with the fund drive. CFHA is the parent company for Leesburg Hospital and The Village Health System, which is doing the fundraising. Morse is very much involved with The Villages Regional Hospital Foundation Inc. I don't keep putting him in the picture, he did that himself by conspiring to mislead people who believe he would look out for their best interests.

Known corporate affiliations. Click on a circle, it's interactive. Provided by Whalen

http://www.corporationwiki.com/graph...px?id=14993004

The Villages Regional Hospital System, it's Foundation and parent organization(CFHA) are all legitimate not for profit entities. Contributions to any of these are generally tax deductible to the donors. Their literature indicates they have embarked on a cooperative effort with Moffitt Cancer Centers(also a not for profit.) If a Morse is involved with one of these entities he most likely serves as an unpaid director or trustee. Not for profits have limitations on payments to such officials and as I recall they are limited to out of pocket expenses of the receiving party related to travel/attendance costs. The boards of the organizations have a fiduciary duty to see that expenses including rent payments are reasonable( usually defined as at market) even if the lessor is associated in some way with the organization. A director/trustee involved in such a leasing arrangement should abstain from voting to approve such a transaction. At this point I see nothing that would lead me to believe that this is not an effort that villagers should support. Of course we are all free to decide which projects we will contribute to, but much of the criricism that I read in the TOTV seems to relate to a dislike of a Morse and not the value of the project. If my understanding of the situation is not accurate, I would be happy to hear from others. However please don't impune my motive in posting here. We've heard enough of that.

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Nice graph - But please ajakk, can you explain to me HOW this makes Morse any money other than the rental of the office space? I understand that you and Red and others don't like HOW they went about doing this but where is the money being put into the wrong hands? Please cite all sources for verification. Thanks.

Thank you for an informed, articulate representation of the facts. You have defined the circumstances fairly and objectively leaving room for those who disagree with the latitude to do so. Well done.

According to the link for the Villages Regional Hospital Foundation, the Villages Regional Hospital Foundation, Inc. is located at 1020 Lake Sumter Lndg The Villages, FL 32162. The officers include H. Gary Morse, Jennifer L Parr, Lee S Huntley, Mark G Morse, Tracy L Mathews. The Villages Regional Hospital Foundation, Inc. was incorporated on Tuesday, October 26, 1999 in the State of FL and is currently active. Steven M Roy represents The Villages Regional Hospital Foundation, Inc. as their registered agent.
Source: Public Record data - Department of State - Division of Corporations.

If members of the family abstained from voting, only Lee S. Huntley would be making the decisions by himself. He is listed as the President and CEO of the Central Florida Health Alliance.

Yes, that is the fund raising arm of the hospital. Not in control of hospital operations. Correct?

Correct. See filings with the FLorida Department of State-Division of Corporations, ie Articles of Incorporation, Annual Reports and Others.

Correct, See Florida Department of State -Division of Corporations filings, ie Articles of Incorporation, Annual Reports etc

Thank you for taking the time to contribute to the dialog. Putting the fiscal and business gymnastics aside, as a physician, would you consider Moffitt's
establishment in the Villages a net plus? It's been argued that Moffitt is not needed because we have one cancer care facility in the Villages already and another in Leesburg.

Can you offer any other insights through your unique professional perspective. To date, the fog of flawed facts has inflated emotions, clouded the issue and reduced the pursuit of quality care to hyperbole and useless finger pointing.

Perhaps views from someone with your experience will provide the enlightenment we need to move forward.

In any case, thanks for contributing.

Just a quick correction to Cabo's question -- my argument has always been that Moffitt is building a cancer satellite/center in Leesburg, 20 minute drive (max) from TV. Given that there will be a Moffitt Center so close, do we really need another Moffitt Center in TV itself?

As someone said back there aways, by selling more houses. It is just as simple as that.

I don't think there is a problem with them selling houses.

Jim McLaughlin our villages rep told us Sunday that they are selling between 200-300 homes a month and the population is at 80+K. He said that at buildout our population will be around 100K and predictions for buildout is in 2014.

Won't be long.

I have no problem with that. But by that logic you're saying that the cancer center is an asset that will draw people to sales. That would fly in the face of what many on this thread say about too many cancer facilities nearby.

If there is a money reason behind this I think it must still be other.

I know they'll make money on the leases of the building. Gut feeling says they'll make money renting the equipment to Moffitt. Absolutely no question that it is a great selling point to have a cancer center as pretigious as Moffitt on TV grounds and golf cart accessible. My thoughts have always been that it was more for the ego of saying it is on TV property than anything else. My gripe is with all the lies that have been presented to us, not with Moffitt per se (although I do think it is unnecessary and a colossal waste of money at the expense of those who believed the initial stories).

All of this gets me to wondering if the developer and the Daily Sun were again just having fun with us in the past when they reported that due to those nasty Buffalo biting all of the little fingers on that field near Sumter Landing, the Buffalo would have to be immediately (?????) Fortunately that large development project quickly followed on that land.